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Posted: September 24, 2010 09:04 PM

Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "Countdown" Friday night to discuss the flight of congressional Democrats from a vote on an extension of middle-class tax cuts that would allow the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to expire.

Arianna outlined the various Democratic battle lines on tax cuts and backed Ezra Klein's assertion that Dems are "demonstrating a complete inability to govern."

"Right now, honestly, Keith, I don't think they are thinking beyond the election," she told host Keith Olbermann.

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Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "Countdown" Friday night to discuss the flight of congressional Democrats from a vote on an extension of middle-class tax cuts that would allow the Bush-era tax cuts for th...
Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "Countdown" Friday night to discuss the flight of congressional Democrats from a vote on an extension of middle-class tax cuts that would allow the Bush-era tax cuts for th...
 
 
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
06:18 PM on 10/05/2010
If Democrats aren't thinking beyond the election, why should the rest of us be thinking of them at all.

VOTE INDEPENDENT ON NOV. 2

Time to throw out both major political parties and give the outsiders a chance to govern us.
07:23 PM on 09/27/2010
I agree, but right now timing is critical. We need to be smart about maintaining power first. After that, I want to see some real public service again. We need to get out of this career politician mode. Get tough, do your job, listen to your constituents, and you'll probably get reelected.
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PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
06:04 PM on 09/28/2010
"We need to get out of this career politician mode. Get tough, do your job, listen to your constituents, and you'll probably get reelected."

Sounds like a candidate for the tea party.
06:28 PM on 09/26/2010
Arianna, I love you and agree with most things you say. However, Dems have reason to be afraid of what Fox News would do, if they put the tax cut vote through before the election.

Conservative media outlets have an astounding number of viewers/listeners, giving them the power of the first rule of propaganda: "Say something 1000X and it will sound true, whether it is or not. If you say it with lots of fear or anger, then saying it 500X will do." Any alternate train of thought from Progressives, or even from Congress, is working within the context, and against the background, of these constantly repeated messages from folks like Palin & Beck. The pen is mightier than the Congress. But one repeated video message is worth 10,000 words.

Fox and other Regressive media outlets have folks convinced that they can have their cake and eat it too, regarding taxes and the reduction of the deficit. Fox has the power to repeat its message enough times to enough people to substantially influence the upcoming elections.

I applaud you, the folks at Comedy Central, and Oprah for building what could grow to be Progressive media empires. If Progressives can gain control of large media empires, we can have the same power Murdoch does now.

I look forward to the day when the Progressive message can reach the public as many times as the Regressive message does. But we aren't there yet, so we may as well face it.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
01:09 PM on 09/26/2010
We were told by GOPers in 2001 & 2003 that we could have our Wars, have our WalMarts and have our tax cuts. Remember Dick C. saying "deficits don't matter." Remember pundits saying how can we go to War and cut taxes; it doesn't make sense. We are still at War and it still does not make sense. WAR IS NOT FREE.
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keri burch
01:59 PM on 09/26/2010
WAR IS NOT FREE.....neither is social engineering

Might want to look at this.....because the stimulous cost more than the war

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Little-known-fact-Obamas-failed-stimulus-program-cost-more-than-the-Iraq-war-101302919.html
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jackbond
02:51 PM on 09/26/2010
If you see anyone saying "failed stimulus" you know instantly that they are a liar. Simple as that. You don't even need to read beyond the headline of that article. Heck, it's the Washington Examiner, that alone disqualifies it as a rational source of news.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
07:20 PM on 09/26/2010
So, you would rather spend/blow up money in Iraq rather then say spend money in Iowa? LOL! Sorry, the Stimulus kept us out of 15% unemployment and negative GDP. It is the "Anti American" corporations that are failing now.
12:59 PM on 09/26/2010
reasonable111 said: "the Dems need to also compromise and encourage and put conditions in place that will make businesses want to spend and invest. The health care bill did not do this, it made businesses fear, as it was done with transparency.

Both these parties need to grow up and find a middle way to go. And so called "progressiveness" will not be the way, because the people don't want it, they want measured, effective, and smaller govt, not what Obama has done so far."

I am always amused by ill-educated political revisionists who don't even understand the basic definition of the terms they use. Here's someone who believes they're 'reasonable' and demands that 'progressiveness' take a back seat to pandered compromise (meaning: nothing changes much) because that position suits his/her political perspective.

Here's the truth of the matter: small government has NEVER proven to be more effective than big government (citations, please). The problem isn't with BIG government (current federal workforce is less than 6% of the national population), it's with BAD government. We currently allow (and traditionally encourage) politicians to generate economic windfalls for themselves. Current figures demonstrate that a Senate staffer earns - ON THE AVERAGE - 3/4 million per year when they matriculate to a lobbying firm.

That helps with all the compromising, water treading, and marching in place, doesn't it, 'reasonable111'?
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SLOMO66
We live in the house of Upside Down
09:30 AM on 09/26/2010
How could the democrats be so craven?

(DEMS) "the GOP are holding the middle class tax cats hostage!!, VOTE FOR US, and then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE we will do something about it"

True, they are holding the tax cuts hostage, but in a way, the Dems are holding American
votes hostage too.

There thinking is-

"If we get to the tax cuts now, the republicans will call us names ):

...If we promise to do the tax cuts after the election, we get the votes, we can then give up and the GOP will like us :)

And then we get to go inside the 'super cool' conservative tree house their always talking about :D
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UpstateNY
07:00 PM on 09/26/2010
OR MAYBE

The tax cuts don't expire until the end of the year anyway. 

Everything has been a major fight in the Senate with the Republicans holding up bills by one Senator's actions or requiring 60 votes just to get it to the floor.  So, Harry looks around - if they brings up this vote, this is all they do until the recess and there is very little chance it will get done anyway. 

SO

Let's table this fight until after the elections.  Let's explain to middle-class voters that the Republicans are holding your tax cuts hostage to keep cuts on incomes over $200/250,000 (it's incomes over that amount, not tax payers - everyone will get the same cuts on any income below these levels).  And let see if the American middle class are ready to send a message to their representatives that they don't want them working for only the wealthy among us.

I think that's fair - democracy means everyone has to do their share.
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awake108
07:59 PM on 09/29/2010
I want to see how they vote before the election. By their vote you will know whoses side they are really on.
01:59 AM on 09/26/2010
somewhere in the offices of the rnc is a little jar with the testicles of the democratic party
and it didn't happen yesterday or the day before.
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Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
07:49 AM on 09/26/2010
Very little jar.
gintheb
Confrontational
08:23 AM on 09/26/2010
So true.
08:56 PM on 09/25/2010
I had volunteered to knock on doors today for the local Dems, but after the Senate shit all over us the week I opted out.

I say send a couple of bucks to Sharon Angle and get it over with.
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Ish11
04:35 AM on 09/26/2010
I see you ha8 America with a passion. Sharron who? Oh wait a minute, are you the CEO himself or are you hired by them?
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keri burch
02:00 PM on 09/26/2010
No he's a realist.....tired of the status quo like most of us
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jackbond
02:55 PM on 09/26/2010
Die hard liberal here and Sharron Angle has my vote. Reid has single handedly screwed this country over the last two years.
08:13 PM on 09/25/2010
Annual costs of keeping 30 million physically and mentally challenged Americans alive is over 700 billion dollars, most is spent on direct welfare payments and Medicaid. Radical Conservatives are demanding a drastic reduction in income taxes, they do not care if it will lead to the non-support and starvation of millions of welfare recipients who depend on their monthly check. Genocide is not the American way, it is a blessing to have the opportunity to provide food and medical help for the needy, and it can only be done through high taxation.
08:37 PM on 09/25/2010
No, actually it can be done through charity. It's not the government's job to provide everything for the people. We must work and earn our way in this world, and help those who can't -- but that must be OUR choice, not the government's.
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buckunstoppable
A small frame housing huge ideas.
08:45 PM on 09/25/2010
Yes, this old chestnut. Let's all us Good Christians pick and choose who's worth saving.
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Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
07:50 AM on 09/26/2010
Yeah right. I'm sure the Salvation Army bell ringer really appreciates the 84 cents you drop into the bucket outside of Walmart every December 22nd.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
10:18 PM on 09/25/2010
why dont we pay the unemployed to care for them...problem solved...we can get the 99ers feeling good about working again...or we could for example require folks that live in the projects to at least cut their own grass and paint their own houses like the rest of america does. or is that too much....they get to ride absolutely free?
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12:38 AM on 09/26/2010
I daresay many of them would be "99"ers were they not employed as such. But then again, it's helping the most pathetic or desperate among us, and I'm all for using it as a lifeline. For both.
fscuttle
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
08:05 PM on 09/25/2010
Not unable more like unwilling.
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colonelgirdle
07:47 PM on 09/25/2010
Yep. The Democrats cannot pull themselves together sufficiently to throw the billionaire tax-breaks overboard & start proving they are for ordinary Americans. And yet they want me to believe that after the election they would be more courageous? They are truly pathetic. I'm voting third party from now on.
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ConnectedTraveler
imithe as an saol seo ach i mo chroí go deo
08:05 PM on 09/25/2010
F&F.
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PoorRichardsHeartache
when is obstruction insurrection?
10:34 PM on 09/25/2010
that frustration will get you a slate of tpublicans and total stagnation of the gov. Dont be deceived, their intention is to be against everything.
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07:37 PM on 09/25/2010
Where is the constructive criticism? These comments are not even holding the Democrat's feet to the fire.

It's complaining about President Obama and the Democrat Congress because they do not fit the mold of media sensation, marketing, and all the other talking head ethics. It's complaining since the Democrats are not in the ring, looking to body slam their opponents by any means possible, to give their audience a sellable moment to cheer.

Ultimately, these comments are indicative of political entertainment, and not a keen analysis of the current events and and a structured, pragmatic, and accessible way make a real difference.
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07:45 PM on 09/25/2010
"...complaining since the Democrats are not in the ring, looking to body slam their opponents by any means possible..." This is a Straw Man. Do better next time.
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07:56 PM on 09/25/2010
You may want to watch the interview, especially the last part.
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Rachel O
09:52 PM on 09/25/2010
What's your take on it, then?
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01:42 AM on 09/26/2010
Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Have the Republicans then try to assemble their own majority vote for their only concern, the welfare of the corporate class.
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
06:53 PM on 09/25/2010
Repugs and blue dogs both are conservative joining together to make us a third world America ,its not dems vs. repugs its repugs and blue dogs vs progressive dems.
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PoorRichardsHeartache
when is obstruction insurrection?
10:39 PM on 09/25/2010
Disregarding labels for a moment. I see this as a much more fundamental battle. It's about the kind of society we want to have and what kind of nation we want to be. I have never seen the demarcation so extreme as it is now. There is a very large segment of the country who truly believe that unfettered laisse faire capitalism will fix all the issues that ail us. I think this attitude, even limited as its been, has been one of the prime reasons we are in the mess were in.
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Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
07:54 AM on 09/26/2010
True. And the funny thing is, the people who are the most vocal and shrill about the wonders of unbridled capitalism are, oftentimes, the very folks who will be economically slaughtered by it. They are fighting in many cases against their own economic self interest because somebody wrapped a flag around the argument and pasted a "patriot" label on it. Capitalism without regs and safety nets built into it will always destroy itself.
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ron071
11:32 PM on 09/25/2010
Keep speaking reality and truth, Dbos.
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ohiotechie
Better dead than red...
06:53 PM on 09/25/2010
It boggles my mind that the D's could be so blind on so many issues. It is their very timidness that evokes contempt on the part of voters; how is it possible that they don't see this? While I don't expect the type of lock step discipline that R's have (nor do I think it healthy in a true debate) I would expect them to try to push their agenda as passionately as possible. They were voted in 2 years ago with the largest mandate I can remember in my adult life (I'm 46). People were sick of the Bush way of doing things and the R party was held in open contempt and yet 2 short years later the R's are poised to retake the government; at least the meaningful parts. This isn't because the D's have done too much, or because the R message and policy has changed. It's because the D's have shown no courage, no conviction, no strength, no ability to govern. Always from Reid is talk of the number 60; did W have 60 R's in the Senate? Did Reagan? For that matter, did Clinton have 60 D's? NO!!!! Laws pass the Senate with simple majority but Reid has continually caved to filibuster THREATS not even a filibuster but the mere threat of one. Again and again and again and again the D's have abdicated their constitutional duty and the oncoming Tea Party calamity is a direct result of this. Helluva job Harry....
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PoorRichardsHeartache
when is obstruction insurrection?
10:42 PM on 09/25/2010
difficult to argue with this.
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ron071
11:34 PM on 09/25/2010
ohiotechie needs a calculator so he can factor in Blue Dog DINO votes with the Republican Party of Obstruction.
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ohiotechie
Better dead than red...
11:53 PM on 09/25/2010
I'm not the one fixated on the number 60. I understand that the Senate passes laws on majority vote. 51 is needed; actually 50+ the Vice President. How many R's did Bush have when he ramrodded his agenda through, eh? 50 for the first 2 years, peaking in 55 until '07.

Since you seem to be somewhat math challenged on this that's 5 less than 60 and yet he got everything, and I do mean everything, that he wanted. He still called the shots even when he lost Congress. Now according to Harry Reid that's impossible, just impossible I tell you.... why 60 is needed to do anything right? Take a look at the composition of the Senate over the last 100 years or so and there are very few times any party had more than the D's have now. And even without magic number 60 laws still got passed against opposition. Hmm...

You must be a true believer D - there's always some excuse isn't there? And funny how it's always "THEM" isn't it... Perhaps since it's so obvious you can't see it but the reason is the current D's aren't effective is that they simply have either no will to govern or are totally incompetent at it. Either way they have sold the whole country down the river with their equivocating and I frankly blame them right now more than I do the R's and TP's.
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Gennaro Oliviero
06:39 PM on 09/25/2010
I think Arianna is too smart for not knowing who really got the power in this country. The president? The democrats? The republicans? The supreme court? Sorry, none of the above. The answer is Money and the few who got lots of them. You don't want to go head to head against those "rich and powerful" or you are going to end up bad, very very bad and accomplishing nothing. So the question is: is better a Bush who ruthlessly sell his own citizen as pork meat or Obama who try his best to get something for "the People" without being crushed as a peanut? Beauty of Moneycracy!
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busman
06:45 PM on 09/25/2010
That's such a defeatist attitude.
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07:44 PM on 09/25/2010
But Gennaro's comments may be a closer assessment of reality, more than saying the Democrat's behavior is just confounding, but we certainly must then know that the Democrats must be just incapable of governing.
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ron071
11:38 PM on 09/25/2010
Gennaro Oliviero has a rational view of our current situation.  President Obama and the Democrats ( not Blue Dog DINOS ) have accomplished much in two years of undoing the 8-year Bush / Cheney reign of destruction.  Much more would have been accomplished with a Real majority in Congress.
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busman
03:25 AM on 09/26/2010
Punting on 1st down.
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Ninotchka KS
I am woman; watch me vote.
02:29 PM on 09/26/2010
F&F It irritates me that these facts are not included to buffer the typical super negative, hot-dog articles/posts of disagreements. We do not need that to make our morale worse over the daily, uphill grind, against the right to accomlish anything!