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Posted: January 18, 2011 06:24 PM

Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "The Dylan Ratigan Show" Tuesday and expressed some worry about Democrats' commitment to clearly outlining a set of initiatives that could spur job creation and a revival of the middle class.

"The thing that I don't understand, especially having recently come back from Brazil and Chile, is this false choice between growth, and even really seriously reducing the deficit, and job creation. Because these things are all intermingled." Arianna said. "It's not a left, right issue. If you're really going to grow the economy you have to move people out of poverty into the middle class."

Arianna then explained her anxiety that the current state of partisan politics would allow a particularly troubling economic trend to become normalized.

"Here we are seeing downward mobility. We are seeing the new poor proliferating, you know, poverty rising in the suburbs more than anywhere else. And yet, we are not making the clear connection between the need to counter that trend in order to grow the economy and ultimately reduce our debt," Arianna said.

Asked why this seemed to be an acceptable situation in politics at present, Arianna expressed her belief that Democrats were to blame for not defining a clear counter-proposal to the GOP's forceful message that the deficit and spending needed to be the highest priority items on the legislative agenda.

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Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "The Dylan Ratigan Show" Tuesday and expressed some worry about Democrats' commitment to clearly outlining a set of initiatives that could spur job creation and a revival o...
Arianna appeared on MSNBC's "The Dylan Ratigan Show" Tuesday and expressed some worry about Democrats' commitment to clearly outlining a set of initiatives that could spur job creation and a revival o...
 
 
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03:40 PM on 01/20/2011
"The thing that I don't understand, especially having recently come back from Brazil and Chile, is this false choice between growth, and even really seriously reducing the deficit, and job creation."

I don't think she understands anything about Brazil or Chile. Since the left wingers Allende and Sarney screwed up each of those nation it was a 10-20 year come back in the economy of struggling by choosing to tackle fiscal and monetary policies, the exact opposite of what she claims. you can't just pop into these countries for a few days, meet the leaders and think you understand the economi history and transition that ahs gone on there. It takes years of living there to get an understanding.
11:33 AM on 01/20/2011
I agree with Arianna.
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09:59 PM on 01/19/2011
Most of the posters are talking about how to punish employers for not employing citizens. As an employer I've known the workload and expense of having a legal employee, so it's very tempting for an employer to get out from under the government's demands. That's why I say we have to change the work rules and make employees responsible for their own benefits if we're not going to kick out illegals and stop the outsourcing.
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USAFree1
05:00 PM on 01/19/2011
Good ideas here. However, it appears that our political elite are neither hearing nor listening to us.
04:06 PM on 01/19/2011
Spot on, Ariana. The Dems totally dropped the ball by not pushing on the idea that growing the economy requires investment- even if the deficit suffers in the short term. The deficit problem will be solved when people have jobs and salaries to spend to grow the economy. Unfortunately, I don't see anybody in Washington capable of making that happen.
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Trepasky
Sanity is neither free nor easy
03:11 PM on 01/19/2011
Until we create incentives, there will be no substantial job recovery.
SOme incentives that would work but may be hard to implement are:

A) For all the suggestions below, tie deductions and/or bonuses to work force utilization, unemployment, and jobs created.

1) Raise the capital gains tax to at least 30% for all 'sales' above $250,000 (use deductions above (A))
2) Raise the wealthy tax to 60% (use deductions above (A))
3) Reduce Congressional pay/benefits by 50% (use bonuses above to raise them (A))
4) Tariff foreign products
5) Require companies of more than 1,000 to pay a 'unemployment fee for layoffs' (provide a credit for new jobs)
6) Consider windfall taxes on bonuses of more than $100,000 given to employees
7) Tax penalties for offshoring jobs-Tax deductions for hiring in America
8) National investment fund for research and development (govt-industry combine)
9) Tax deductions for higher education

We should/could rescind the tax cut extensions for those above $250,000 and tie deductions to the above in (A).
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pfz
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06:09 PM on 01/19/2011
Wow that sounds like a horrible place to live glad I'm not there. If those incentives were to be in place I would move to Mexico along with my business. Punishing people for being successful is not what the American Dream is all about at least not the one I learned in school.
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12:10 PM on 01/19/2011
Jobs will be created when we start breaking up the big corporations, and not until. We are allowing monopolies and oligopolies to be created in every industry - as this has occurred the big banks have forced the well paid CEOs to cut costs - which means cutting jobs.

We have eliminated whole segments of businesses that sold to the larger corporations as we allowed them to buy up their suppliers and keep few if any of the people working for those suppliers.

As long as you are allowing these anti-competitive mergers you are going to lose more jobs. Add to that the ease of moving jobs out of the country to cut additional employment jobs - with no downside, and you get the current slide into poverty.

Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt understood this dynamic and started by breaking up the big oil companies, the big banks, the big train companies, big coal, etc.

When we elect a President and Congress that represents the people of this country you will know it right away, as they start the legal actions to break up the big corporations - and not until.
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getsit
good morning, I'm here
12:30 PM on 01/19/2011
Like NBC being bought by COMCAST. If anyone thinks that COMCAST hasn't already found the loopholes in the condition the government set on this contract, then they aren't paying attention. Big Corp ALWAYS finds the loopholes which are deliberately in there by government design.
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plumnelly
12:54 PM on 01/19/2011
You've summed it up great. We need new sherriffs in town, the crooks are ruining lives and our nation. Mega corporations are predatory and ruin lives and the water we drink and the air we breathe. There's a craziness to being in the middle of our own self-destruction as a once great country.

Buying I-phones and more hi-tech crap from China is nothing but a destructive diversion from going after the monopoliies. Shiny new toys keep the masses on their A$$$$.
12:09 PM on 01/19/2011
A jobs movement? Fine. Now let's hope we can find more corporations willing to hire---in the U.S.
11:33 AM on 01/20/2011
real talk.
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deadfed
11:19 AM on 01/19/2011
to piggyback, this is a must see video on my blog,

"YOUTH OF THE WORLD WILL UNITE IN 2011 AGAINST GLARING INEQUALITIES…IT’S ALREADY STARTED IN EUROPE…"

http://deadfed.com/
11:13 AM on 01/19/2011
By putting the middle class back to work, at good paying jobs the country will collect more income tax. This is the one of the important topics on one is talking about. This is one of the ways to get this country out of debt. Why not put a ten percent tariff on all Chinese products coming into this country. This alone would pay for health care and free college education for any one who wants one. If the Chinese want out manufacturing jobs lets make them pay for them.
12:28 AM on 01/20/2011
Many of those so called Chinese products are products made for and under the direction of so called American companies that outsourced the jobs overseas.
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curmudgeon98
10:45 AM on 01/19/2011
Other factoids..

While our war drains our coffers affecting many areas we will see no relief - except defense spending.

We have the highest rate of unemployment among the leading industrial countries - including China.

All the other countries have spent heavily in the education area to retrain their workforces during this depression while the US keeps taking away educational opportunities from its citizens, Instead of encouraging education we have made it a privilege instead of a right - meaning only the well off can afford it. All US colleges are so hurting for funds that they are filling available slots aggressively pursuing foreign students and out of state students that can afford to pay higher fees.

One big missing piece - a WPA / CCC type program that would fix our outdated and deteriorated infrastructure.
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Robert SF
10:01 AM on 01/19/2011
The reason the choice is between growth and hiring is that the link between employment and economic growth is very weak, almost non-existent. This should be obvious. The stock market is doing well, corporate profits are up, and bonuses are getting paid. What's not happening is people finding jobs.

This is because employers simply don't need more people. Automation in one form or the other has allowed them to do with fewer and fewer people, a trend that will continue in time. And the fact that the unemployed can't spend doesn't hurt the economy at large. It hurts the corner store, but large corporations get most of their sales internationally.
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getsit
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12:34 PM on 01/19/2011
I don't agree with you at all. Sooner or later, the fact that the people of America cannot buy products and services produced by big corp WILL have an effect on the stock market. Profits also require purchases of products and services not just investment. That's the middleclass and poor. Workers make a country strong.
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castlerider
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09:44 AM on 01/19/2011
Corporations are ruling our country like a tiger, and Obama seems to be holding on by the tail trying to appease it.

All of a sudden now banks have begun to offer loans to people in the 500's credit scores, so banks & businesses have decided to deregulate on their own. So much is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, it's ridiculous.
09:16 AM on 01/19/2011
What happened to the "Buy America" and Made in America campaign of the Regan Days.
We sell out or country everyday when we buy Chinese low cost goods. In fact most americans are not much different than the corproations that outsource jobs to China, in that they are maximizing profits.

If you people want a job..just join a lobby group. It is a growing industry!
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USAFree1
05:03 PM on 01/19/2011
Sam Walton retired then died. I remember when Wal-Mart was just an upcoming retail store. Sam prided himself and his stores for selling American made products. His kids, however, would have none of that. Then of course NAFTA, WTO, the World Bank, and the IMF.
08:31 AM on 01/19/2011
You want more jobs, well then stop passing 1 piece of legislation designed to encourage private sector business and then quickly following that with 3 pieces of legislation designed to over-regulate/increase costs/over burden private sector business
12:39 AM on 01/20/2011
The Glass Stegal Act was in response to the abuses from the banks that lead to the great depression. The first crack was the deregulation of the S&L's that lead to the first debacle. The President is revising or has ordered an evaluation of the regulatory apparatus to hopefully purge it of duplication and obsolete mandates. Burt remember that without the FDA your tranquilizer may turn out to be a laxative.