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Arianna Discusses Job Creation On MSNBC With Martin Bashir (VIDEO)

Posted: 08/31/11 05:44 PM ET

Arianna appeared Wednesday on MSNBC to discuss job creation with Martin Bashir.

"What I find amazing is that normally both political parties, you know, talk about the middle class, this is not a left-right issue, everybody wants to support the middle class. And yet now, there is a kind of economic equivalent of creationism where people think that really you need to deal with the deficit first," explained Arianna. She continued, "You know obviously this is the creed of the Tea Party. But the President in a way has bought into it in his rhetoric."

Arianna said that the austerity approach "hasn't worked in Greece." She explained that in Greece, "they actually have cut a lot, they've cut more than the IMF wanted them to cut. But what's happened in the process is that growth and tax revenues are less than they had expected, so they're in a worse hole than before."

"What we need to do here is to touch people's hearts and minds to make people recognize that we need to come together to solve our problems, otherwise we're not going to be able to," concluded Arianna.

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Arianna appeared Wednesday on MSNBC to discuss job creation with Martin Bashir. "What I find amazing is that normally both political parties, you know, talk about the middle class, this is not a left...
Arianna appeared Wednesday on MSNBC to discuss job creation with Martin Bashir. "What I find amazing is that normally both political parties, you know, talk about the middle class, this is not a left...
 
 
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Norm
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10:08 PM on 09/03/2011
The ultimate goal of our leaders, right and left, seems to be an international economy with a vague international government. It looks like that is what is happening and what our leaders knew would occur. But I think all governments, especially ours, minimize the social disintegration and conflict that will occur before any idealized state is realized.
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Si1ver1ock
the bread of wickedness, the wine of violence
09:46 AM on 09/02/2011
Basically, the rich and poweful have rigged the system to their own benefit and screwed the rest of us. They can get away with this because most Americans don't care, don't vote and don't care to vote.

The rich and powerful make themselves richer and more powerful and to hell with everyone else.

It's a big club. -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
02:37 PM on 09/01/2011
I recently “googled” up the Prohibition Party's website, and they apparently do not have a party platform adopted since 2008 which was about the last time that they up-dated their website.

That platform stands for balanced budgets, and other generally conservative fiscal spending restraints.

The unemployed should contact them and suggest that they adopt a position favoring the re-industrialization to create US jobs as an issue for the next US presidential election.

They might require that I give up my consumption of alcoholic beverages in order to join the Prohibition Party, but I will if they will promote the re-industrialization of the USA to end the mass unemployment and under employment that the US government created in the past few decades.

I did not see any information on their website promoting the return to legal prohibition of alcoholic beverages in the USA, so maybe I could join that party.
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gerald4
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12:58 PM on 09/01/2011
US labor costs many many times as much as Foreign Labor according to the DOL website:

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ForeignLabor/ichccpwsuppt01.txt

These US Labor costs are in addition to the recently added cost of Extended Unemployment Benefits, National Healthcare Reform, existing and proposed new environmental laws, plus multiple fold increased cost of electrical energy that is generated in the USA in compliance with US EPA regulations makes doing business in the USA less competitive in the Market place for jobs as those costs are added to US company payroll costs.

These costs are hindering US businesses that are competing for manufacturing jobs for US citizens in the USA instead of businesses relocating or creating those jobs to foreign nations.
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gerald4
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12:44 PM on 09/01/2011
Early US citizens such as early pioneers and settlers of the USA had to provide their own military defense against Indians, police, firefighters, school teachers, medicine, water, sewer, roads, bridges, welfare, social services, and other bureaucratic provided services as best as they could with their limited resources.

After the early pioneers and settlers could produce enough necessities of life (food, shelter, clothing) for themselves and had an excess to also support a (rudimentary) civilization, they would then combine their meager resources/or and tax themselves to hire public sector bureaucrats as teachers, soldiers, water system operators, police, firefighters, and other services but they limited the cost of these bureaucrats to the number and the bureaucrats pay that the wealth producers could afford and/or wanted to support.

The producers would also pool their resources and hire contractors to construct roads, bridges, water systems, sewer systems, and other infrastructre that allowed the producers to become more productive.

These tax supported government bureaucrats and government contractors did allow the producers to become more productive by relieving the producers having to worry about providing those services for themselves (and for the producer’s families), but the producers limited their expenses for bureaucratic provided services to the limitations governed by the amount of tax revenues that they wanted to pay.

The principles of limiting the amount of wealth that can be skimmed off from the wealth producing workers in the form of taxes to pay for bureaucratic services and government contracts is still applicable.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
02:52 PM on 09/01/2011
Many tax supported support bureaucratic services such as Armed Forces, Crime Prevention, Police, Utilities, Fire Protection and Education, will INCREASE THE PRODUCTIVITY of the Agriculture, Mining, Technology, Construction and Industrial Productive activities of a family, tribe, island, or nation by allowing the producers to concentrate on producing the the food, shelter and clothing necessary to sustain life WHEN THE PRODUCERS WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY about providing those services for themselves.

These tax-supported bureaucratic jobs are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, but these services do increase the efficiency of the citizens that produce the food, shelter and clothing that is needed for continuing our survival since the producers could perform those services for themselves as they did previously in the earlier times.

Civilized nations have always taxed the productive population to pay for bureaucratic tax supported payrolls that supplied National Security, Crime Prevention, Police, Fire Protection, Education, and other similar items that assist, support and protect and prevent interruption of the agricultural and the industrial production bases that supplied the things (food shelter clothing) that the entire population needed to maintain life.

Maybe this is part of the definition of civilization.
Califishing
I work smart
12:22 PM on 09/01/2011
Give people credit and the jobs will come. A big problem is there basically are no more start tomorrow jobs anymore.. Ramp up military spending on big equipment, ramp up infrastructure spending and open up the credit markets for the people. get money in the hands of the people and they will spend it. There's no way around it. It's just a big circle.
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Si1ver1ock
the bread of wickedness, the wine of violence
09:49 AM on 09/02/2011
Credit has to be part of the solution. Our our debt based money is created as credit. Without money creation, the economy will deflate. A deflationary spiral may ensue.
12:08 PM on 09/01/2011
Greece is in no way comparable to the U.S. They have too many people living off the government and they are not productive. Give me a big break.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
01:06 PM on 09/01/2011
Really, what percentage of the US citizens are supported by taxes collected from the "Wealth Producers" that create wealth in the USA?

Government pays for government payrolls, government benefits, government contracts, and other government activities with taxes collected from the "Wealth Producers" that create wealth in the USA.

This percentage of citizens supported by taxes is probably similar in the USA and in Greece.
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Si1ver1ock
the bread of wickedness, the wine of violence
09:38 AM on 09/02/2011
You are correct. America prints its own currency, Greece is trapped by the Euro. America is sovereign in its fiat currency. Also, our currency is used by the rest ot the world. If they were spending it to buy our porducts, our economy would surge.

We have over-financialism. People are using money to make more money. they are not using money to make or buy productive assets.
09:47 AM on 09/02/2011
amen
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
01:37 PM on 09/02/2011
When foreigners in foreign industrialized nations stop buying freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds (with the US dollars that US citizens paid them to manufacture our consumer items) to get some US dollars back from these industrial foreigners to pay bills created by our US government deficit spending, or just offer pennies on the dollar for our freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds, then the US government will probably just buy some more paper and print more US dollars (faster and faster) to pay our rapidly increasing US government expenses, just like Mexico prints pesos to pay for their Mexican government expenses.

Every time that the USA prints and sells a bunch of fresh US Treasury Bonds and US dollars, the value and buying power of each existing printed US bond and US dollar reduces proportionately.

One US Dollar that would buy about 8 Mexican pesos in 1960 can now exchange for as much as 15,000 of the 1960 Mexican pesos today.

This is equivalent to about 187,500% inflation over that period.

A $2.00 USA loaf of bread would then cost $3,750.00 today if the USA had implemented Mexican type economic monetary policies in the 1970's, and $4,000.00 next month, and maybe $5,000 the month after.

Many countries are losing confidence in the dollar as the benchmark for world trade and currency values.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
10:40 AM on 09/01/2011
Foreign nations redeem the US Dollars and their US Treasury bonds that they earned making the products that they make for US consumers ASAP for title to US located assets.

Foreigners do not hold US dollar denominated securities any longer than they have to.

Foreign entities will very soon own everything of value in the USA and then foreigners will become the major (maybe the only) source of employment for US citizens unless the USA reverses the Foreign Trade Deficit and the Federal Spending Deficit.

The USA population will then become employees of businesses owned by the foreign countries and/or foreign individuals that will own everything of value in the USA in the very near future if the US government continues to destroy the US economy.

US citizens might have no options if they want to feed their families?

Our children and our grandchildren might also have to change to the religion of the business owner if they want a job to feed their families.
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Si1ver1ock
the bread of wickedness, the wine of violence
01:51 PM on 09/02/2011
We could limit what they are allowed to buy. Anyway if they don't trade fairly with us, why trade with them at all. Here are some things to consider:

1. During the recent stock market drop people fled the stock market and piled into US treasuries..

2. China's currency is pegged to the dollar and is undervalued. So it might actually be a good investment, if you knew how to play it.

3. The Yuan does not trade in the currency markets. How you move from there to World Reserve Currency is beyond me. Ten years at least.

4. Investors try to buy low and sell high. Gold is high, real-estate is low.

5. A strong dollar means weak exports and cheap imports

6. A weak dollar means strong exports and expensive imports.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
10:33 AM on 09/01/2011
The Greeks are handing out government money that they borrowed to their citizens and this does not create any NATIONAL WEALTH for Greece.

The Greeks need to industrialize and create new NATIONAL WEALTH that would be available to be taxed to raise money for the Greek government to spend, instead of borrowing money (printing and selling government bonds) and spending that money on their citizens as benefits to buy their votes, like the USA is doing.

The USA is doing the same thing by living off of borrowed "credit card" money.
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
08:07 AM on 09/01/2011
Nobody invests Capital to pay Taxes ! Arriana should know better !

Capital Spending drives Consumer Spending............Public or Private...................ony Private Investment generates tax revenue and cash flow beyond 18 months.

If you use DEBT then it should be an investment that produces value beyond 18 months.

If you fall for the Tag Line of Public DEBT remember it has a large Inflation Content which comes
back to cancel out it's short term appeal !

In short, cut taxes on business, lower spending or make Public Investment in R & D, not consumption, or do all three ! ! !
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:07 PM on 09/01/2011
I agree that the US government is taxing the workers, borrowing money lots of money, and then spending this money to pay for bureaucrat payrolls, unemployment benefits, welfare, retirement pensions, high speed rail, free medical services, housing, wars, social services, pork barrel projects and other tax funded bureaucratic jobs that do not produce any national wealth that the nation could use to repay national (sovereign) debt, reduce the foreign trade deficit, or to re-industrialize the USA in order to create new NATIONAL WEALTH?

The USA still has title to sufficient remaining privately owned NATIONAL WEALTH that was created by previous generations of US citizens available to exchange (sell or mortgage) in return for US dollars back from individuals in foreign industrial nations to spend for these wealth consuming activities.

The USA should spend this remaining NATIONAL WEALTH on efforts that will increase the NATIONAL WEALTH of the USA, and not consume the existing NATIONAL WEALTH of the USA.
07:28 AM on 09/01/2011
It is pleasure a going through your post. I have bookmarked you to check out new stuff from your side.

Seo New York (NYC)
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Benjamin J Grimm III
I've got a head like a brick!
03:10 AM on 09/01/2011
The Free Trade Agreements destroyed the American way of life by design. Before you blame that on Clinton, who IS a globalist too, understand the origins of the these agreements by viewing the NAFTA timeline:

http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/chronologie.asp?langue=eng&menu=integ

Until you get rid of this bu||$h!t, you won't get but a trickle of jobs which will never be adequate.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
10:50 AM on 09/01/2011
President Clinton did not have to sign NAFTA into law, and without Bill Clinton signing NAFTA into law, many US jobs for US citizens would have stayed in the USA.

NAFTA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on December 8, 1993 long after his 1992 election and he began to enforce that treaty on January 1, 1994, and that was the first of many treaties created by many subsequent the "FREE TRADE" legislation actions!

To be fair, George Bush and most all of the elected Republican and Democratic US Congressmen and US Senators were also in favor of NAFTA, so I guess the US workers were just sold out for lower cost consumer products.

I can only remember Ross Perot objecting to NAFTA! He said that NAFTA would "Suck the remaining jobs from the USA to Mexico" He was right, but the Republicans and the Democrats were both promoting NAFTA.

Where were the Union Labor Leaders that should have objected to NAFTA? They say that they objected, but I do not remember them objecting, so maybe this is why Bill Clinton enacted NAFTA. Why don't the US Labor Unions object to President Obama’s South Korean Free Trade Agreement today?
02:20 PM on 09/01/2011
What is frustrating to me is the almost universal focus on supply-side policy. Its the suppliers (who are sitting on enormous amounts of wealth and NOT reinvesting) that political parties rely on for major donations, private employment in congressional districts, and boots-on-the-ground analysis (lobbying) on what is taking place in the economy. Its through this lens that policy makers look at the nation and the world around them and its biased beyond belief.

Labor unions have their own issues that have proven extremely susceptible to attack (at times with reasonable justification) by well funded interest groups. Clinton, leading from the center, probably drank the cool-aid with all the pressure to globalize. Which, when you are on top, makes a lot of sense - but over the long term creates a slippery slope to the bottom for the middle class.
US labor cannot compete with Chinese labor (or others) because we have a more regulated economy in terms of human, social, ecological, cultural costs to capitalist success - think child labor laws, minimum wage, weekends, EPA etc. We are simply not playing on the same field that other countries are. . .

We need a paradigm shift in this country based on long-term outcomes with a focus on incentivizing behaviors that we want to encourage and regulating (taxing) behaviors we want to discourage.
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jeremyemilio
My micro-bio is NOT empty
04:40 PM on 09/01/2011
Blaming NAFTA for this stuff is such a cop out. If American's are willing to pay more for goods produced in America and thus have less in order to support American labour, then they should just do so, and the jobs situation would be just fine. But if they aren't willing, then what place is it of a Democratically elected government to force it upon them?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
05:35 PM on 09/01/2011
I agree, but riots and insurrections are predictable, ala the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution, when the masses of the common people find their situations economically hopeless.

Mass unemployment will foster mass civil unrest, crime, anger, riots, revolution, starvation, etc.

Conditions for riots and insurrections are approaching because the people are beginning to find their situations economically hopeless.

Chaos and total lawlessness will prevail during and long after any US revolution or economic upheaval.

Only the very meanest and the most evil will survive in these conditions.

We will have then totally destroyed our civilization.

Each person will then have to comply with the wishes and the whims of any and every armed person that you encounter, unless you are sufficiently armed and deadly proficient in the use of your weapons.

All of the city residents will probably starve after any revolution?

Most of the US urban population is not knowledgeable enough to live off of the land anymore.

The city dwellers might foray into the country, kill the farmers, take over his farm, and steal the farmer's food to feed their own families before they consum,e all of the food and then starve.

Food might become more valuable than piles of freshly printed paper US dollars and US Treasury bonds.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
05:37 PM on 09/01/2011
ALL US CONSUMERS WANT TO PAY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY CONSUME.

The US Businesses must relocate and/or outsource labor expenditures as much as possible to reduce labor costs, environmental production compliance costs, electrical power costs, taxes, material costs and energy costs as much as possible if they want to satisfy the US consumer's demand for the lowest price possible for the US consumer's purchases.

If the businesses do not outsource labor and environmental expenses, they will be under-priced by their competitors that do and this will cause the business to go bankrupt and/or to cease operations and lay off their US workers
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Benjamin J Grimm III
I've got a head like a brick!
02:47 AM on 09/01/2011
Hmm. Two of my least favorite people in the same room together. Glad I missed it.
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ambrecel
11:40 PM on 08/31/2011
Creating jobs needs both private sector and government to work together. What has happened with the "free market" people, they created monopolies with no regulation. Now how does a monopoly create and innovate?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
10:54 AM on 09/01/2011
US national corporations are creating excellent earnings and profits by complying with US laws starting with President Bill Clinton's NAFTA, GATT, WTO, MFN (Most Favored Nation) for China, and other Free trade laws and treaties plus President Obama's new proposed South Korean Free Trade Agreement ECONOMICALLY REQUIRES that US businesses relocate their US jobs to foreign countries where labor costs are only 4% to 25% of the US labor costs in the USA, where electrical energy costs for manufacturing are less than 10% of the USA electrical costs, and where environmental compliance costs for manufacturing products that are a small fraction of the expense as they are in the USA, where business taxes that are less than in the USA, where the workforce is more technically and scientifically oriented than liberal arts educated US citizens, where US featherbed labor union contracts do not exist, and where work rules allow more flexibility in order to be competitive economically.

We need for the US congress to repeal all of the "Free Trade" laws and the other anti-business laws that were created in the last 20 years that encouraged and required that US corporations (and/or individual businessmen) to relocate the manufacturing jobs to foreign nations or go bankrupt.

We should re-impose extremely high import tariffs to protect our US located jobs, except that import tariffs were removed by NAFTA, GATT, WTO, MFN, etc.
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jeremyemilio
My micro-bio is NOT empty
04:44 PM on 09/01/2011
Well, for one thing, when a monopoly (like the big three auto makersfor instance) begins to falter of their own poor planning, you could let them fall so that smaller start ups that are trying to get a foothold might actually have a fighting chance...
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
04:54 PM on 09/01/2011
Excellent Idea!
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TheIndependentView
What the hell are YOU looking at?
10:12 PM on 08/31/2011
Fix the trade policies so we can manufacture things here again.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
10:55 AM on 09/01/2011
The "Free Trade" laws and other anti-business laws that the US congress created in the last 20 years allowed every US citizen, business, and corporation to ignore the plight of the US "blue collar" middle class worker and relocate their jobs to foreign countries with lower labor and lower environmental costs.

The Democrats and the Republican members of the US congress and the US Senate both created the "Free Trade" laws and other anti-business laws that caused US businesses to move their US factories overseas and lay off all of the US employees and take advantage of lower labor, energy, taxes, work rules, environmental and other costs available in foreign countries.
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TheIndependentView
What the hell are YOU looking at?
12:49 PM on 09/01/2011
I agree 100%, gerald4. This is what we should all be talking about.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
05:23 PM on 09/01/2011
If all of this "Free Trade Legislation" was not in the interest of the blue collar working citizens of the USA, or most other businesses in the USA, so why did our elected congressmen create all of these "Free Trade Legislation" laws?

Were our elected congressmen ignorant, stupid, dishonest, or some combination of these factors?

Do you think that maybe the foreign product manufacturers that export consumer products to the USA might have paid professional US lobbyists to spend hundreds of thousands of US dollars on wine, food, women, song, vacations, cash, sexual services, corporate jobs for the (unemployable) children/wives/girlfriends of enough of the US senators and US congressmen (and their congressional aids who actually control the members of congress) plus campaign contributions to entice (bribe) enough of our Republican and Democratic US Congressmen and Senators for the past 20 years to create all of these various "FREE TRADE LEGISLATION" to ratify various trade treaties that allowed, caused, and ECONOMICALLY REQUIRED our businesses to take advantage of the lower labor costs, lower electrical energy costs, lower business taxes, lower payroll taxes to pay for health care costs, lower unemployment insurance costs, lower environmental manufacturing costs and other anti-business costs that are not required in various foreign countries with fewer anti-business laws that are/were applicable to businesses in the USA?
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TheIndependentView
What the hell are YOU looking at?
08:54 PM on 09/01/2011
I love it! Already a fan.