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Posted: September 22, 2009 08:37 PM

Dr Mark Hyman Discusses Why Cholesterol May Not Be The Cause Of Heart Disease With MSNBC's Dr Nancy (VIDEO)

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HuffPost's Dr. Mark Hyman was a guest on MSNBC's show "Dr. Nancy," hosted by Dr. Nancy Snyderman, to discuss his recent blog in which he examines why cholesterol may not be the cause of heart disease.


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HuffPost's Dr. Mark Hyman was a guest on MSNBC's show "Dr. Nancy," hosted by Dr. Nancy Snyderman, to discuss his recent blog in which he examines why cholesterol may not be the cause of heart disease.
HuffPost's Dr. Mark Hyman was a guest on MSNBC's show "Dr. Nancy," hosted by Dr. Nancy Snyderman, to discuss his recent blog in which he examines why cholesterol may not be the cause of heart disease.
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- JohnMayer I'm a Fan of JohnMayer 12 fans permalink
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NevaforLeadership said: “Try cutting down on your sugar and carbs. >snip< You will feel so much better, even if you are not overweight. Best way to be sure about something is from personal experience­.”

Thanks, Neva; I honestly appreciate your concern for my welfare. But how can you know I am not getting precisely the right amount of sugar and carbs? I do agree that sugar is one of the great villains in the American diet (along with salt and meat), but my diet is plant-based and, therefore, predominately carbohydrates and fiber. My personal experience with that diet is very good, though I’m sure it could be improved upon if I only had time to cook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 09/23/2009
- dugmaze I'm a Fan of dugmaze 38 fans permalink
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Good job Dr Hyman.

The only problem you was on Nancy's show. I'm really surprised she didn't attack you like she does the autism community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 09/23/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Where is Adelle Davis when you need her. I lived by her book, raised my family on it and I am happy to report we are all healthy. No one ever again attempted to write a book, updated from hers, again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 09/23/2009
- editorjuno I'm a Fan of editorjuno 23 fans permalink
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The fact that Ms. Davis died at 70 of painful bone cancer might have something to do with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/24/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Yes, I remember that but then we were not as advanced as we are today, but she started something good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/24/2009
- mamakris I'm a Fan of mamakris 11 fans permalink
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Heart disease is also caused by STRESS STRESS STRESS....­.cholestro­l 156, ck; blood pressure 100/70, ck; STRESS..ba­tting a 1000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 09/23/2009

Wow. What's going on at MSNBC?

They are putting some diverse views on the air lately.

I have surely learned it is unwise to trust corporate news as it can be objective on some less important issues involving less tax $, and filled with fear mongering and spin on other issues like trillion dollar bailouts and wars. I guess it all depends n the latest corporate agenda.

That said, I'm impressed. They deserve some credit.

And if I see them maintain this sort of diversity on the next trillion dollar tax transfer to banks, or the next war issue, or health care reform ( anything that has to do with trillions of tax dollars), I'll be half tempted to trust them.

Still, I have learned my lessons permanently and will keep looking for all sides of the story and not just the one told on the TV news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 09/23/2009
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 30 fans permalink

Dr Hyman is absolutely on the right track.

Statins have been pushed simply because its a $26 billion business. Its a scam.

Statins CAUSE CANCER, liver damage, kidney and muscle damage and make you feel like crap. They also reduce Coenzyme Q10 production, which damages the heart over time.

The small benefits found in statin studies are measured over a short duration of a few months or year at the most. then patients are put on these dangerous drugs indefinitely. In my opinion, the benefits are short-lived, while the dangers (cancer, liver and heart damage) grow with time.

Preventing heart disease is EASY: avoid transfats, eat omega 3s, magnesium, reduce sugar/carb intake, get lots of B vitamins, vitamin D, vitamin K2, and take antioxidants like vitamin C, natural vitamin E (unesterified tocotrienols + tocopherols), and coenzyme Q10. ALso take lysine and proline.

Unfortunately, conventional doctors dont know anything about these treatments because their (idiotic) medical school education is created by the drug companies. Conventional medicine is a SCAM, whether it comes from the "best" schools (Harvard, SF) or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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The advice on nutritional supplement is useless. It stems from the need of vitamin peddlers to meet their quarterly projections.

The best possible prescription is daily exercise. Unfortunately, the quacks can't profit from the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 09/23/2009
- hf2008 I'm a Fan of hf2008 5 fans permalink
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It's very hard to convince people to take risk factor modification seriously BEFORE they have a clinical event. Risk factor modification can be done by life style changes, but unfortunately most people TALK about nutrition, exercise, etc, but don't really pursue a healthy life style. Thus, medications can be used to try to modify their BP, lipids, etc. Medications do work and they do decrease risk, admittedly with some potential for side effects. I personally feel life style modification is preferrable to medications and that's what I have used to keep my cholesterol down, but look at the growing girth of the American public - c'mon, how many people are REALLY watching what they eat?
For those of us who treat heart disease, business is booming. From the comments on this thread, I'm confident it will continue to increase. Which is good for me, but bad for those of you who are not taking your cholesterol (and other risk factors) seriously. When you're in the ER with a heart attack, it's too late...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 09/23/2009

Mark's a good guy...I went to school with his brother, Buster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 09/23/2009
- Jlong I'm a Fan of Jlong 15 fans permalink

Ha! An oldie but a goodie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 09/23/2009
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 30 fans permalink

Why is nobody talking about homocysteine?

Homocysteine is a better predictor of heart disease, and other diseases, than cholesterol.

The reason why homocysteine is ignored it because there is no pharmaceutical drug available that alters homocysteine levels. And the best way to lower homocysteine is to take VITAMINS (B6, folate and B12), trimethylglycine, choline and lecithin.

When you compare the marketing hype about cholesterol drugs with the total lack of attention given homocysteine by the corporate medical establishment, its crystal clear that its all about money and selling drugs.

Shame on you, Whatevah, for being such a dupe to the pharmaceutical companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 09/23/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 128 fans permalink
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OOPS she better watch her back!! The legal drug pushers may using blackwater put a contract on her. If they lost all the billions made on cholesterol pills she may be in trouble...

must see for the plan to keep you a slave to the 1% that control our country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/23/2009
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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Personal, at one time all my numbers were horrible. I tried all the doctors prescribed, including the low fat diet. I actually gained weight and my numbers got no better. In desperation and against medical advice I went on the Atkins diet. My weight dropped off quickly, I felt better and when the doctors saw my labs, they repeated them because they were sure there was an error. I also felt great and had more energy than ever. The problem is, I couldn't stay on the Atkins because it can be boring and expensive. I love carbs, I'm actually addicted to carbs. Bread, pasta, cake, chocolate, ice cream, trying to avoid carbs while dining out is almost impossible. I'm now trying to get back on the Atkins since off it I've ballooned and gained over 50 pounds. I think the real culprit is sugar. In America we consume tons of sugar and tons of salt. It's everywhere and in everything. I'm sure if I can break the sugar/salt addiction, my weight would drop and my health would improve. But finding food with low salt and no sugar is very hard and very, very expensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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I've come to love cooking. Buy "Food for life" and learn some of the recipes. It tastes fabulous, it's good for you, it's cheaper, and it's fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 09/23/2009

Read everything you can from this site http://www.westonaprice.org/ and follow the recommendations on food and diet...you will not regret it. The research is science based with excellent references. The organization is comprised of professional volunteers (scientist, doctors, nutritionists), and functions on membership dues and donations. I've been a member for 8 years or so and is the best organization I've ever joined.

We have found that by consuming nutritionally dense foods (including plenty of satiating, saturated fats), the sugar/carb cravings are gone. My husband used to be a coffee and cookie addict...n­o more; he has no desire for sugars of any kind, nor coffee. He's 51, slim and trim, looks at least 10 years younger, b/p of 115/70. I don't look too shabby myself, also 51, slim, still fertile, b/p of 100/60. Both our blood lipid values are perfect (mine used to be too low and I suffered frequent respiratory infections­...now one mild cold per year!). And, no more low blood sugar attacks nor frequent eating.

No slippery slope to old age in our home...we just keep getting better.

Another site you may enjoy: http://www.breadandmoney.com/

To your health!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/23/2009
- HumbleSage I'm a Fan of HumbleSage 7 fans permalink

I have read the article by Hyman and seen this video and what he says makes sense, but there needs to be better corroboration of his claims. Other mavericks claim it's inflammations, or some factor other than cholesterol, though they all agree that cholesterol is involved.

I think the attack on cardiologists as tools of Big Parma for prescribing statins is very overstated. I take simvastatin and it's about 11 cents for a 10 mg pill, cheaper than a breath mint. My lipid factors are basically in control, but my HDL won't go up, since statins keep it down. Will Crestor help my HDL while reducing other cholesterol factors? My doctor has mentioned Crestor to me but warned that it may not help and that it is expensive. Should he not say this? I will go in for a blocked artery tomorrow--perhaps another stent. The debate should go on, but I will continue with simvastatin until there is evidence of something better. Diet and exercise are key too, but don't solve all cholestereol problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 09/23/2009
- hf2008 I'm a Fan of hf2008 5 fans permalink
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Talk to your cardiologist about using niacin to help your HDL. Also, Dr. Hyman failed to mention that there may be other effects of statins, including reducing the inflammation at the atherosclerotic plaque, that may be responsible for their ability to prevent secondary events (this is called "pleotrophic" effect). Good luck with your catheterization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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Amen to the niacin. It is a cheap product with relatively minor side effects, and it definitely does boost the production of "good" cholesterol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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In my experience, the doctor bashers are mainly deluded types who spend too much time listening to the shrill claims of vitamin-peddling quacks. The fact is that modern, science-based medicine is a tremendous success. Lifespans are longer, old age is much more comfortable, and we have cures for many of the diseases that tormented humanity for centuries.

It's really sad that in the 21st century so many folks fall for ludicrous claims about everything from magnetic insoles and magic crystals to ground up shark bones. My late mother-in-law paid $150 a month for nutritional supplements that were supposed to help her arthritis, and she was so crippled she had to drive the 50 foot trip to her mailbox. She would have gotten a lot more relief from plain old aspirin, but her favorite quack had buffaloed her into rejecting conventional medical care. Pathetic.

As P.T. Barnum said, "Nobody ever lost a buck by underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 09/23/2009
- Conk I'm a Fan of Conk 20 fans permalink
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Modern medicine a tremendous success? What alternate universe are you living in? Allopathic medicine is the third leading cause of death in the USA. Drugs do NOTHING to cure ailments. Nutrition CURES dis-ease and prevents it. Yeap, modern medicine and it's chemo, statins, radiation, are a success. Successful in killing and crippling millions every single year!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 09/23/2009
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 30 fans permalink

The only "quacks" I see are the brainwashed "doctors" that believe the marketing hype and nonsense pushed by the pharmaceutical companies.

Vitamins and supplements WORK, but you have to know how to use them properly-the right forms in adequate dosages. The problem is that doctors dont know ANYTHING about nutrition. They are ignorant and dont know how to use vitamins properly.

A typical MD takes maybe a 1 semester course in nutrition during medschool-and even that course is distorted with big pharma and food industry propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 09/23/2009
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 30 fans permalink

Has your doctor mention used coenzyme Q10? Magnesium? vitamin C? Lysine? taurine? Vitamins D and K2?

If not, then he is a tool of big pharma, whether he know it or not. He gets his "education" from big pharma advertising and ghost-written "scientific" papers (actually written by pharmaceutical company marketing experts).

Most doctors spend 15 minutes with each patient, all day long, and simply spoon feed them the drugs they are told are good by their big pharma reps. They dont follow the research, on vitamins OR drugs, and there are no vitamin or nutrition reps visiting their office.

Thats how modern medicine works. Its a scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 09/23/2009
- DennyCrane I'm a Fan of DennyCrane 24 fans permalink

I'm amazed even let Dr. Hyman on the air. You'd think with all the money they get from drug companies, they wouldn't want an expert suggesting that cholestero­l-lowering drugs are useless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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Actually, Dr. Hyman says statins are useful for many things. His actual argument - which most doctors reject - is that statins don't prevent heart disease. He says statins are great at preventing recurrences and in treating other conditions. At no point does Dr. Hyman claim statins are useless.

FYI, almost all other docs think that the main reasons for the decline in heart disease is the increased use of statins and declining popularity of tobacco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 09/23/2009

When is this country going to wake up and see how the pharmas have a chokehold on the medical industry?

They spend more on Marketing than on R&D and use the public as their guinea pigs. It disgusts me.

Red Rice Yeast for cholesterol and Milk thistle for the liver, thank you.

There's a reason why they call it 'practicing' medicine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 09/23/2009
- Whatevah I'm a Fan of Whatevah 30 fans permalink
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Since 1999 it has been impossible to buy Red Rice Yeast that helps cholesterol. Formerly, this product lowered cholesterol because it contained lovastatin, the molecule that is the foundation of the statin drugs.

Today, Red Rice Yeast is made by a process that does not produce lovastatin. Don't waste your money. This stuff is useless.

Milk thistle may be useful for folks who have liver damage or disease. However, it does nothing for people with healthy livers. Again, don't waste your money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 09/23/2009
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 30 fans permalink

How do you know that milk thistle does "nothing" for people with healthy livers? Do you have any science to back this up?

Its well proven that milk thistle protects the liver (even healthy livers) from toxic chemicals, and that the liver is exposed to toxic chemicals every minute of every day. I dont know of a study of healthy people on milk thistle, but it makes all the sense in the world for milk thistle to protect and preserve proper liver function. Studies done on mice show that milk thistle protects healthy livers from toxic chemicals that otherwise cause damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 09/23/2009
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Blood pressure. Blood pressure. Blood pressure.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend.

Obese? You probably have high blood pressure. BUT if you're obese and you have LOW blood pressure, then you are NOT at a higher risk for heart disease.

High cholesterol? You probably have high blood pressure. BUT if you have high cholesterol and you have LOW blood pressure, then you are NOT at a higher risk for heart disease.

High blood pressure means your heart is working overtime. Put it under stress, and you risk a malfunction. It's really quite simple, people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 09/23/2009

Old in-the-box thinking vs. new outside-the-box thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 09/23/2009
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