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Ian Gurvitz

Ian Gurvitz

Posted: July 23, 2010 05:20 PM

10 Wrong Questions and False Arguments That Frame Our Thinking About Religion


1) Is there a God? No, there isn't. It's that easy. There's no magical sky daddy who created us and lives in a place called heaven or anywhere else. There are also no angels, devils, heavens, hells, heavenly saints or magic virgins. These categories we've inherited have perverted the discussion of religion, resulting in an understanding of the subject in our culture that ranges from sadly ignorant to profoundly dumb. However, it's not entirely our fault. We're taught from an early age that the question of religion comes down to whether we "believe in God" or not. It doesn't. Or it shouldn't. Worship of the anthropomorphic God is virtual idolatry, monotheism with a polytheistic mindset. God is not someone to be worshipped; God is an experience to be known.

2) If there's no God, then who made the world? No one. If the world didn't work, we simply wouldn't be here. End of story. Like Ann Richards said about George Bush: "He found himself on third base and assumed he'd hit a triple." Just like us. We found ourselves alive on Earth and assumed we were meant to be here instead of looking around at a world that functions and taking delight in the fact that it does, and gave rise to us. Per Alan Watts: "Man is a little germ that lives on an unimportant rock ball that revolves about an insignificant star on the outer edges of one of the smaller galaxies." But how cool is that?

3) What about the conflict between science and religion? There is none. This silly, alleged debate is the sad result of those who take the Book of Genesis as history instead of poetry. Science explores the origin and nature of the physical universe. Religion explores a deeper, more profound, psychological experience of human life. They work two completely different sides of the street. The nonsense that is creationism -- or its uptown cousin, intelligent design, which is just creationism with a GED -- is the sad byproduct of those who need to feel that the Bible must be literally true in its entirety or it's rendered entirely false. This perverts both science and religion. The phenomenon of a magnificent sunset can be explained scientifically: what causes the brilliant lights, how my eyes take in the sight and how my brain processes it, how many muscles move in my face when I smile. None of this negates or diminishes the joy or wonder I might feel sitting on the beach watching it. That is a moment for poets to write about, or artists to paint. Why do we need to feel that there is any purpose to the sunset beyond the sunset itself?

4) Doesn't the question of God and religion come down to faith vs. reason? No. Faith in the existence of a benevolent God is the way religion has been framed in our culture, and that is unfortunate because it blinds us to a deeper understanding of religion. However, a kind of faith is an element in our lives, but it's faith informed by reason. There are times in life when reason will only take you so far, like when you're in a plane that's barreling down the runway. You can be comfortable in the knowledge that the odds are on your side and that the pilot is experienced and sober, but in that moment before takeoff, you are in a world beyond your control. Experientially, there is little difference between saying, "I have faith in God," and, "I believe life is good." Either can give one the strength to persevere in tough times. Now, perhaps the God connotation is too strong for people to hear the word any differently, but there is a meaning to faith that arises out of human experience but which has nothing to do with some benevolent God looking out for you. At one of the many poignant moments in The Power of Myth -- conversations between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell -- Moyers asks him about faith, saying, "You are a man of faith. Of wonder." Campbell replies: "I don't need to have faith. I have experience."

5) What about the afterlife? There is none. There's no beforelife. There's no afterlife. The Kingdom of Heaven is a psychological or mystical concept that has been misconstrued as a physical place. Eternal life is an experience of the here and now. Our yearning for an afterlife is based on our insecurities and fears about death and the unknown. What we are is energy that can neither be created nor destroyed. Our individual lives are waves rolling in off the ocean. Nothing more. There is no soul that is in any way attached to our personalities. Of course we want to think we go on. Who wouldn't? You put all this effort into a life and then it's like you're mugged and it's all taken away. But the notion of an eternal soul has to do with our common essence, not our individual existence. When the energy goes out of us, "us" goes. However, insofar as our essence is concerned, we are eternal, though, again per Joseph Campbell "just not the 'we' that we think we are."

6) If there's no God, then what is the meaning of life? Wrong question. Why do we assume that meaning needs to come from above and that our lives only have significance if they're part of some divine plan? The right question is: where is the meaning in life? Meaning is something we infer from the experience of being alive that makes it feel worthwhile. Meaning exists within the fact that our lives are finite. In fact, it's because of that fact that life's meaning is heightened. The meaning is in the experience.

7) Doesn't religious war negate the claims of religion? No. It proves the harm that can be done when a cunning dictator manipulates a race of stupid, gullible, desperate people. Marx's opiate of the masses easily becomes the amphetamine of the extremists. Religious war is an oxymoron. While every tradition has blood on its hands, the culprit is blind belief and obedience, whether it's to an absolute power or an inevitable historical movement. At various times in history that same mindset has been used by both the church and the state. And while religion is not always the culprit, it is more tragic when religion is used as a justification for murder or genocide because of the inherent expectation of moral behavior. Religion can be used as a weapon only when people are stupid enough to fall for it.

8) What about those who claim to speak for God? Villains, thieves, and con men (or women). God is not an entity. There is no God who speaks or endorses political candidates. When preachers or politicians claim that their efforts are part of God's plan, they should have a net thrown over them, because that is insane. Anyone who claims to be receiving these messages is either crazy, or lying for power or money, or both.

9) But isn't God interested in my life? No. Thinking of God as some divine father-figure who knows your every thought and watches over your every move is the outgrowth of our fears of being alone in the universe, coupled with the knowledge that we will most likely lose our parents and have to live our lives without daddy's guidance. God the Father provides comfort for our existential fears. He's the daddy who never leaves. And while the psychological need is understandable, and very human, this idea is perverted into the notion that there is a God who wants you to be rich, successful or happy, putting aside the fact that only in America could we conflate the two things we worship, God and money, despite their contradictory impulses. There is no God who wants you to be rich, and especially not one who can be bribed through donations. This notion has created some very well-off, happy-talk preachers who have managed to sell the idea of divine sanction for greed and personal aggrandizement, impulses that are the antithesis of religion. The "God wants you to be rich" line is just motivational speaking -- purpose-driven megachurch nonsense.

10) But how can we have religion without God? Most people in the West see this as an impossibility. But as an exercise, ask it as a possibility. In other words: how might it be possible to have religion without our traditional understanding of God? Religion has not been handed down from above. It erupted from within the collective unconscious and the knowledge that our ego-driven experience of life is limited, and a more profound experience is there to be known by anyone at anytime. This awareness -- call it spiritual, mystical, or simply psychological -- is the experiential core of religion. Of all religions. All traditions have the purpose of laying out a road map to it, not as a replacement for our normal experience, but as an enhancement of it. We need to refocus our understanding of religion from an aspect of our identity to an activity. From something we are to something we do. We need to bring religion back down to Earth. Lose the literal interpretations of gods, heavens, angels, and miracles, and resurrect religion as an activity of connecting with that part of us that is not us, but lives in us, or flows though us. Call it energy, being, essence, Tao, Brahman, God -- it doesn't matter. These are just linguistic and cultural variations on a single theme. Religion is an outgrowth of a very human desire for self-knowledge and an experience not just of our common humanity but of our unity with all life -- an experience that inspires us morally, socially, and culturally. However, as long as the discussion remains mired in false arguments between faith and reason, religion and science, or belief and atheism, we will never crawl out of this intellectual hole we've inherited, and we run the risk of losing the important message that religion is intended to communicate.

This post is adapted from a book I just published: Deconstructing God: A Heretic's Case For Religion.

 
 
 

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1) Is there a God? No, there isn't. It's that easy. There's no magical sky daddy who created us and lives in a place called heaven or anywhere else. There are also no angels, devils, heavens, hells, h...
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06:40 PM on 08/08/2010
Sent today to Associated Press:
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Sunday, August 08, 2010

Greetings AP,

In today's Sunday Denver Post, there is an AP report about a plane-crash in Salina, PA. The report quotes a Westmoreland County spokesman, Dan Stevens, who makes an absurd statement about the surviver, Steve Yanko, that is not challenged by AP in the story.

The statement "God was on his side" (common in such reports of "miracles") should always be followed up with a question of "Why was god not on the side of those who died?" to at least challenge the absurd notion of a god who is involved in such matters. As an atheist I seek only balance in such reporting. A questioning press should present balance in all things.

As Epicurus once asked:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

Epicurus (c. 341 - c. 270 BC)
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01:17 AM on 08/09/2010
Colorado Bobby-- I made that exact same point in my book regarding another plane crash and also used the Epicurus quote to head up a chapter on the subject of God and evil. It does get right to the point.
11:54 AM on 08/09/2010
Thanks for reply. I shall look for your book. Limited income so I'll see if it is at the library first, then I'll look for it at Amazon or book stores. Keep up the good works. The decline of organized "religion" in Europe is heartening, and I long for the end of it in our country. As long as religion keeps interfering in politics it is evil, and I like Hitchen's premise that "God is not Great, Religion poisons everything" (sorry if misquote)
10:51 AM on 08/31/2010
There was a lot of this kind of thing in the aftermath of Katrina. Bewildered shell shocked survivors sitting midst the rubble thanking god. Remarkable.
02:50 PM on 07/28/2010
My feelings are hurt, why didn't someone accuse me of secular humanism?

I guess, for this topic, the 'hand, having writ, moves on'. I expected thousands of comments. A shame--Gurvitz is the closest to what I believe, or don't believe. He is probably too far 'ahead'--there were many replies to Dossey and Lanza for fluff piecies that everybody could spot, and then feel superior to.
Mr. G, as long as you are doing this stuff and you can handle even more indifference, see my assembled comments on 'permalink'; you might as well extend your range by writing about DEATH, as I have outlined (I'm not the first, but there aren't many writers on it--see James Hillman's first book, on suicide).

I'm not a secular humanist because the symbols that well up from my 'center' or Self certaintly don't make my human life comfortable. The goal is tension, or as Becker said in 'Denial of Death', a hero is a person who has maximized the amount of uncertainty his particular system can handle.
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10:10 PM on 07/28/2010
gcarl, are you one of those damn secular humanists? ;-)
12:48 PM on 07/29/2010
sandalwood, thanks for the query, now I feel better. see my permalink string for my continuation of this, on another site. I will order the 'Tao and Dharma' and the other two books you recommended, thanks.
05:50 PM on 07/27/2010
Perhaps all the folks commenting here are members of a ‘new religion’, without dogma and without ‘god’, yet still ‘religious’. Since the 1940’s, or earlier, psychologists have agreed that the earlier religious and scientific paradigms were dead, and have wondered what form the new ‘religion’ would take. I think ‘we’ are doing that by commenting ‘off the cuff’, to then consider what others have written, and then to adapt our earlier thinking. Zen has no saints; its ancient texts are not treated as infallible; early Gnosticism did the same. S. Brown (Gnostic Use of Language, p. 70-83, in Allure of Gnosticism, Segal, Ed) believes the exclusion of the Gnosticism from Christianity was worse than any subsequent schism. The language of poetic opposites (‘loved and scorned’; primary process thinking; fantasy), was excluded in favor of directed thinking (scientific logic, power hierarchy of the church, etc.). “Fantasy thinking, for Jung, is characteristic of antiquity…saturated with mythology …mythic thinking describes….the CREATIVE urge, the bewildering confusion, the kaleidoscopic changes and syncretistic regroupings, the continual renovation.” “Gnostic interpretation of Scripture gives free rein to the inner prompting of the imagination. The text serves as a catalyst for the release of natural symbols arising out of the unconscious, and the text becomes, in turn, the screen upon with these unconscious contents are projected….Gnostic writing does not point to self-consistent and unchanging realities beyond the empirical world, but rather uses religious images to INTERPRET EXISTENCE,” p.. 72, e.g., ‘ego’ = demiurge.
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12:57 PM on 07/27/2010
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Instead, Sanatana Dharma can only be understood in complementary ways. Also, participation along with observation is another, and essential road to knowledge about Sanatana Dharma.

The participatory aspect is featured in the scheme of the 4 complementary aims of life -- Virtue, Prosperity, Enjoyment, Liberation/Enlightenment.
The observational aspect is featured in the scheme of the 6 complementary views (Darshanas) onto self and world.

6 VIEWS
Nyaya-Vaisheshika -- thought-logic-analysis
Mimamsa -- Participatory Ritual
Yoga -- Gnosis, foregoing the sensory and thought modes
Samkhya -- Phenomenological mind-matter dualism and subject-object divide
Vedanta -- mind-matter non-dualism and subject-object synthesis (samadhi) arrived at via Science, Philosophy and Gnosis as one probes deeper into phenomenon, including oneself.

The objective and the subjective means are both equally respected and it is considered that these complementary ways cannot be reduced to each other. The objective cannot be reduced to the subjective, otherwise one ends up trying to espouse the philosophy of Idealism. But also, the subjective cannot be reduced to the objective, or one ends up trying to espouse the philosophy of materialism. Although both these reductions can be tried and one may gain insights and knowledge in the process, but ultimately these attempts at reduction will hit the brick wall of reality, of how things are, of Sanatana Dharma.
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12:56 PM on 07/27/2010
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The word "religion" is a Western word and does not comport well with the Indian approach. The Sanskrit word "Dharma" is the overarching word in India. What outsiders call "Hinduism" is called 'Dharma' in India. The word Dharma came to gradually replace the word "Rta" (used in the Rg Veda) and looking at the meaning of Rta gives a good understanding of what 'Dharma' is meant to convey. Rta is the root for 'rhythm', Ritu is the word for the rhythmic change of seasons, the regular movement of the stars and planets in the sky -- the order of the world, both microcosmic and macrocosmic, from the galaxies to the cell and beyond.

Actually, the native word for "Hinduism" is "Sanatana Dharma", where Sanatana means 'eternal'. So we are talking about the eternal rhythmic order of the world, the eternal, rhythmic/orderly world process. The change from 'Rta' to 'Dharma' adds another layer of understanding. Rta is the rhythmic world process, and Dharma refers to the notion of a self-generated order, or a self-contained order -- this undercuts the idea that somehow the world has had its order infused into it from some source outside itself, it undercuts the idea of an external creator God who stands outside Its creation. All of this tells that to participate in and observe this order are not separable activities. There is no possibility of a 'God's eye view'. Instead, Sanatana Dharma can only be understood in complementary ways.
06:04 PM on 07/27/2010
Sandalwood, Tao means 'alternating' (flow), which is Rta, yes? Neurotics 'flow' between a part they are conscious of and its opposite, which controls them. The goal of therapy is to make the unconscious conscious, but not to 'control' the process because, in your terms, it has 'had its order infused into it from some source outside itself'. Thus the neurotic no longer stands aside from, nor tries to control, his 'symptom', but learns to 'relax into' it ("I am powerless over alcohol" vs. the 'dry drunk' who thinks, for the first 3 months, that he has controlled 'it'--his drinking). Watts tells us the outer world, especially as described by language, is merely symbolic, while ‘your’ inner experience is the only reality, to you, alone. Thus, since there is no need to form a 'religion' of one member, I take your point, that the concept of religion is a hinderance, or we should call it something else. Aren't you one of those whose 'permalink' shows 400 or more comments posted? See my comment, above, that this is a religion we share.
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07:38 PM on 07/27/2010
gcarl, someone that I know co-wrote a book 15 years ago called "Tao and Dharma"... yes, flow.

Devotees of this or that have always been dangerous due to their attachments and premature sureness. Its become a shouting match between 2 sides which I hope keep each other occupied while the rest of us can proceed forward.
10:57 AM on 07/27/2010
"Lose the literal interpretations of gods, heavens, angels, and miracles"

Ideally religion should be relegated to a museum type atmosphere. Ancient traditions and stories which had meaning to our ancestors, and should be preserved for the historical record. Religion should not continue to be taught as a truth, but rather as an example for what maybe a moral life, with the understanding that a strict adherence to any of the outdated traditions is unnecessary. I appreciate the frankness of the author in this article. It is refreshing to hear it all spelled out.
05:44 PM on 07/26/2010
10) How can we have a religion without God? Folks agree with you on items 1-9, but some do not get the point of item 10--the whole reason for your essay, yes?. Watts: “…the Father in heaven is the subjective Spirit…Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven…REALIZATION is the bringing to consciousness, TO EARTH, what is true all the time in the ‘unconscious’, in the Self and spirit, which the ego does not know. From the eternal and INTERIOR standpoint…heaven, the divine will is always done, but this has yet to be realized from the finite, temporal and external standpoint of earth,” p. 191, S. Identity. “…in speaking of the spiritual and subjective as INTERNAL, the word is not used in a SPATIAL sense, as if God were located inside the human body. The word simply indicates the manner in which God is known, immediately and subjectively rather than mediately and objectively, because of the continuity of the consciousness in man with the divine, “p. 190-1. The Brahma-nature is timeless; Jung’s Self is in time—by analogy, what is experienced as the inner center (Self) can be extrapolated to the unknowable, if one feels the necessity of a ‘religion’. The problem is further confounded by the use of ‘words about a thing’—as long as language is used to ‘point’ to an ‘inner’ experience—WHICH CANNOT BE KNOWN BY OTHERS--folks will confuse the finger with the moon and (false) religion will result.
05:12 PM on 07/26/2010
Great article. You quote Watts, so to remind you of that which 'solves' a lot of the comments, to date: Berdyaev: "Spirit is never an object; nor is spiritual reality an objective one. In the so-called objective world there is no such nature, thing, or objective reality as spirit. Hence it is easy to deny the reality of spirit. God is spirit because he is not object, because he is subject…In objectification there are no primal realities, but only symbols. The objective spirit is merely a symbolism of spirit. Spirit is realistic while culture and SOCIAL life are SYMBOLICAL. In the object there is never any reality, but only the symbol of reality. The subject alone always has reality,” quoted in Watts, Supreme Identity, p. 184. “The external projection of God is, of course, necessary to the ego-centric type of consciousness,” p. 184-5. “If God could be an object of reason, feeling or sense…the universe would dissolve in celestial fire,” p. 185. “The God within illuminates the finite, but the God without destroys it,” p. 185. “…when the ego makes the love of the world its life-goal, God vanishes…when the ego loves God as its object, there comes the opposite extreme of negative religion, excessive asceticism, and world-flight,” p. 186.
The ego is antinomically united to the One,” p. 186. Most confusions and arguments on this subject are the result of the paradox that we are united by what we hate or oppose.
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04:14 PM on 07/26/2010
I think you should get these 10 points engraved on some stone tablets..
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04:12 PM on 07/26/2010
This has to be the most sensible piece I've seen so far in the Religion section. Fanned.
12:41 PM on 07/26/2010
It seems that different points of view on religion come down to how one defines "religion." If it's this monolithic organization that cleaves to ancient superstitions and outdated metaphysics, insists on rigid codes of behavior, and coddles pederast priests in the name of protecting the church, then it's easy to see why some are so vehemently anti-religion. Any rational person would be. But when it is defined as a system or path that can lead one to an experience of self-knowledge, whether that experience has been called Moksa, Nirvana, or knowing God, it becomes more acceptable to many. There's a quote I included in my book from George Santayana: "Experience has repeatedly confirmed that well-known maxim of Bacon's that 'a little philosophy inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion.' At the same time, when Bacon penned that sage epigram...he forgot to add that the God to whom depth in philosophy brings back men's minds is far from being the same from whom a little philosophy estranges them."
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09:17 PM on 07/25/2010
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This is a completely satisfactory self-knowing, but it is not a sensory nor cognitive type of knowing. It can be called a knowledge by identity, a knowing something by being that something. It is considered that every sentient being has this very same consciousness shining forth from its eyes. Almost all beings are completely caught up in being what can be seen in the mirror or that which can be thought about (one's personal history, or the history of the body). This is considered to be a being caught in appearances, or at least being only partially self-aware. The quality of the 'pure subject' is the quality of consciousness -- it is the knowledge of what consciousness is to itself.

This self-experience has a transcendent quality -- it cannot be captured in sensory nor cognitive forms -- it cannot be said to have arisen at a particular time, nor in a particular place -- it cannot be captured in terms of time, space, nor matter -- it is transcendent to these categories. This must be 'seen for oneself'. This the Upanishads term 'THAT', and they say "THAT you are".
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09:16 PM on 07/25/2010
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Samadhi is "non-dual awareness". Samadhi or Sama-Dhi, means 'Same-Seeing'; that which is seen is the same as that which sees... the subject and object are the same. In considering oneself, one is both a subject which is doing the considering and the object which is being considered. Sensory perception and thinking are both in the form of the subject-object duality. The subject remains mysterious as its unreachable. If one tries to 'look' at the subject it becomes the object being considered, but also a 'new' subject arises which is now doing the considering. This is an infinite regress.

One can say that consciousness cannot be objectified, and the attempt to turn it into object only manages to create another division of subject and object. In Zen, the subject which cannot be objectified is called "one's original face". Knowing this ultimate subject cannot be accomplished by manoeuvres of thought -- it is not a knowledge of a sensory sort nor a thought form. Even though one can see one's reflection in a mirror and can think about oneself, one remains unknown to oneself. However, in making the senses and thought quiescent to the required degree, there is a spontaneous collapse of the subject-object division and one's self-experience is of that subject which one is, though one has been unable to see it as long the the subject-object divide has been in operation due to sensory/mental movement, rather than quiescence.
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07:41 PM on 07/25/2010
One problem in framing a discussion here is the nebulousness of the word "spiritual" and even "religious". What is the aim of religion or spirituality? If we say ethical behaviour then there is no reason to suppose that what appears to be a grand metaphysics is neccessary for that... clear thinking is enough for that. In Christianity, I believe one could say that the aim is "Salvation" but its unclear what that means. Usually what I hear is that it means to be near God, whatever than means, since the word "God" isn't much defined either, and anyway in the modern era it is generally rejected because not being a verifiable assertion.

In India, the aim of what is called "hinduism" is Moksha, which is different than Salvation. It has less to do with God than a personal 'liberation' of some sort, a seeing through some sort of false picture. In Buddhism, one keyword is Nirvana. The other important word is "Samadhi"... this is so in Yoga, Vedanta and even Buddhism as the last of the 8-fold path is "Samma Samadhi". Also, 'moksha' is commensurate with "samadhi'. So, the word "samadhi' is the key term to understand as far as Indian approaches are concerned. The aim of interiorization practices is Samadhi. Samadhi is the name for the *experience* which might called the core spiritual experience.
06:21 PM on 07/27/2010
Sandalwood, 'spirit' is that which cannot be known, only posited. A 'selfish Buddha' is one who disappears into 'spirit'. The term used to point to spirit, usually with dogma or doctrine, is 'religion'. Jung very much advocated soul, the mediator or link between spirit and matter, even though soul has a dual aspect and thus a 'dark' side. He saw the 'goal' of life, if there is one, of 'growing' soul, by using spirit to balance matter. A Borderline personality disorder (and Antisocial p.d.) is so-called because of the sudden shift (Tao, Rta = alternating) from controlled to loss of control (crazy to sane), because there seems to be no middle, no soul, no inertia, and the two opposites are free to indulge in the yin-yang, free of the ego's control. The experience of life, solving problems, etc., builds soul as a person makes the unconscious conscious. I believe, with the Gnostics, that religious images should be used to interpret existence--the inversion of the usual goal of 'religion'. Thus, I am interested in the process of living and have no need for a religion of death or of an afterlife, in spirit. Thus we all become Sambokayas or Buddhidharmas, those who return, or remain, in the world to serve--as in the Christian symbol for soul, the cross between.
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08:22 PM on 07/27/2010
gcarl, I wouldn't know how to pronounce upon a genuine Buddha.
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06:07 PM on 07/28/2010
Are you speaking of Buddhasatvas, as Kwan Yin is known? I find your comments and those of Sandlewood interesting. I have a very different understanding of some of your definitions. I have learned that Dharma is interpreted as duty. Since all and everything is Buddha and Enlightenment is where the Buddist path leads, I don't understand your use of the term "selfish Buddha". Nothing is bad or good, it just is. I think it is important for all who are drawn to Eastern thought remember that the God game is played in the mystical East just as it is played in the west and also translations of Ancient Thought are being interpreted and defined by the players just as every type of christian is eager to interpret and define the bible. I would also like to say that the piece that gave birth to all of our comments is the most sensible I've read anywhere . I also adored yesterday's piece and comments on organized religion's treatment of women. Thank all of you for sharing. Namaste.
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04:17 PM on 07/25/2010
Wow ... I have such a mixed reaction to this article it's hard to know where to begin (or probably end) so I'll limit myself to to points. (1) A great deal of what passes as fully-formed adult religious sensibility in this country is virtually indistinguishable from the religious sensibilities of a 10 or 12 year old, so anything that shakes up adult believers usually gets my vote, though I've seen more constructive ways to do it. (2) As I read this piece I was reminded of a prayer I heard somewhere that is along the lines of "God, may I always walk in the company of those who seek you, but never in the company of those who have found you." Insofar as it is a prayer to be protected from those who are overly sure of what they believe, I have to admit I was beginning to see you in that category.But I also find it likely that you are being purposefully aggressive and "sure" in order to really stir things up, which is exactly how one of my theology professors behaved (for which I am eternally grateful).

Anyway, I have downloaded the kindle sample of your book .... should be an interesting read. Hope the sample has more than just a preface. Thanks for what I expect will be a stimulating read.