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Ian Welsh

Ian Welsh

Posted: March 10, 2010 06:03 PM

Kos Calls For Progressive Civil War

What's Your Reaction:

Kos is threatening Dennis Kucinich, of all people, with a primary if he doesn't vote for health care "reform."

Let me get this straight, Kos wants to primary one of the most reliable and principled progressives in Congress (perhaps the most principled one) because Kucinich doesn't want to vote for a bill which will force Americans to buy crappy health insurance from private companies?

First they came for Massa, and now, not being able to find any dirt on Kucinich, they're putting the pressure on, and Kos is going along with it?

Because, lord knows, what progressives should spend their time and money on this year is primarying someone like Kucinich. What they should do is start a left wing fucking civil war so that Obama, Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel can sit back and laugh as the left wing tears itself apart over a bill which, whether you want it passed or not, no one who is on the left wing should think is better than mediocre.

Be very clear, if "progressives" like Kos want to primary Kucinich, many other progressives will defend him and fight for him. So, instead of picking up new seats, we'll be wasting time and money fighting over a seat already held by a progressive.

Those who want to go after Kucinich are acting as Obama and Rahm's heavies. Acting as enforcers for a President who believes in indefinite detention without trial, who has expanded the war in Afghanistan, gutted civil rights and who wants to force every American to buy health insurance from private companies.

It's time for Kos's 15 minutes to end. The man's stupidity, hubris and willingness to be used by a president who is objectively a conservative means he is now doing more damage to the left than good.

 

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12:31 PM on 03/11/2010
Was Kos ever a progressive? He's another pragmatist. No principles.
12:30 PM on 03/11/2010
I can't believe, after everything that Kucinich has tried to get passed, and all of the speeches he's made, on behalf of US, KOS is attacking him, regarding a very poor healthcare bill, which will only give the insurance industry, more money and more power? Does this guy from Kos, actually believe that these insurance companies haven't already been searching out loopholes, that will counteract any legislation??? Listen to Wendel Potter, who worked for a healthcare company, the one who found loopholes, so that insurance companies didn't have to spend money on surgeries, etc., so their stockholders wouldn't lose money----after all, isn't that the main purpose these insurance companies exist--it's certainly not for the sick, or injured!! I'm very disappointed in KOS--I thought they had more integrity.
11:30 AM on 03/11/2010
I agree with Kucinich. It is a bad bill and while it will provide insurance for most, it will do it at a price we can't afford. Universal health insurance by forcing all to buy it is not the way to go. All they should do is make insurance companies accountable (no pre-existing conditions, no canceling policies of paying customers, etc), make a public option available (negotiate drug prices and hospital fees), and expand sChip and medicare to pick up some of those that can't afford insurance. After a few years, we tweak this system to cover as many as possible. We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and Iraq and cut military spending in half. We've already wasted too many lives and dollars in these defense industry boondoggles. There was a time when we could do it the way Obama proposes. The initial bill is an insurance company giveaway and later fixed. Except that they often are not fixed at all and we can't afford to bribe the insurance industry to get a bill. If we scrap this bill and nothing is done, in a few years we likely will have a single payer system as even those with insurance will find the bills too expensive to pay and companies will begin begging the government to do something about the high cost of health insurance. Of course, the government will hear them saying the same thing they can't hear the rest of us shouting now.
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Balzac
09:08 AM on 03/11/2010
Don't listen to Markos on this. Sometimes he's right, sometimes not. Someone should be dispatched to ask Dennis Kucinich what is his sticking point on this bill. Dennis Kucinich is no Ben Nelson. It is well-established that Mr. Kucinich is a guy who fights for Americans.
08:21 AM on 03/11/2010
"..It's time for Kos's 15 minutes to end..."

Thank you Ian!
11:56 PM on 03/10/2010
OK, is it me, or didn't Kos once call this legislation an insurance company giveaway? No, it's not me. The White House Heavies seem to be bringing a lot of pressure to bear. I guess Kos is to lefty bloggers what Lanny Davis and Susan Estrich are to "liberals": a bought and paid for token who's willing to say, "Even I, a liberal hate [fill in the truly progressive idea]." The good news is that we no longer have to waste any time listening to anything he says.

And by the way, God love you, Ian Welsh, for not drinking the kool aid.
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Winston Smith
GOP solution: GIVE THE 1% MORE !!!
11:22 PM on 03/10/2010
I love Dennis, I am glad he fought so hard to get a better health care bill. But this is the end game. If he joins in defeating this bill then , hell yes, "primary" him.
His constituents deserve someone who votes with their best interest in mind. Defeating health care reform so he can stand on principle is not in his constituents best interest.
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Dan Kushner
I've made a HUGE mistake
11:21 PM on 03/10/2010
Sorry, but there's already deep, deep divisions there. You can lash out at Kos for this all you want, but honestly- he was part of the reason why those divisions exist in the first place. He called for the heads of the moderates first. He unleashed the wrath of the left wing blogs upon Obama, and helped open the floodgates. He promoted the "perfect over the possible". And the exageratted form of his own influence has manifested itself all over the place, with a dogmatic ideological hardline just as inflexible and ignorant of perspective as the tea partiers. This is his effort to correct his own error.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
10:01 PM on 03/10/2010
Kucinich can't build a coalition to pass anything so he wants to obstruct the people who can from passing what they can. The bill is perfect but it is necessary. Kos is right.
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lyta
11:20 PM on 03/10/2010
I am thinking you meant "The bill is not perfect but it is necessary."??? I sit here and watch as progressives do the job the Republicans could not do on their own. We are eating our own to allow the republicans back in the game and handing victory to them.
09:25 PM on 03/10/2010
Reality or utopia, what will work?
08:34 PM on 03/10/2010
The word primary is not a verb.
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
08:30 PM on 03/10/2010
I appreciate Congressman Kucinich because he is a man of principle.

Does the "Left" really stand for getting a Health "Reform" Bill through that is little more than a Trojan Horse giveaway to the Health Insurance Industry and Pharma in order to protect the presidency of an individual who declared himself a "New Democrat" last year and purged Progressives from his Administration at the drop of a hat?

That's insane.
07:41 PM on 03/10/2010
Progressives have shown PBO that they are not his "base." They have bashed the President from day one. Despite the bashing the Pres will get HCR with or without the progressives.
08:35 PM on 03/10/2010
The best that anyone says about the proposed bill is that it's a start that can be fixed later.

The flaw in that logic is that Obama secretly made an agreement with the pharmaceutical companies to protect the worst aspects of the Republican Medicare drug bill from a few years ago - lack of foreign generic competition and prevention of government bargaining, instead accepting whatever the companies choose to charge. Why would anyone think Obama would try to fix problems in some future law?

Similarly, protections for the health insurance industry are in place. Single payer was never considered. The "public option," in whatever form, was not included in Obama's list of items he wanted in a health "care" bill. That was an obvious Kabuki merely flashed in the face of rubes and then discarded. Monopoly protection has been maintained.

The bill forces people to pay parasitic companies for health insurance where those companies have for years demonstrated that the term parasitic isn't a metaphor. And Obama's first move was to protect these multi-billion dollar companies!

You're right. He's done this without progressives. Don't for an instant think this is some sort of benefit for millions or that it will mature in the future under Obama. It's a tithe to companies that could not survive much longer on their current path since few people could afford the crappy health coverage. Eventually the situation would become so dire that real progressive politicians would be chosen to bring about real reform.
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myshadow
07:13 PM on 03/10/2010
I totally agree with Mr.Welsh. As someone who spat out the Koolaid that President Bluedog stirred up after the Pharma memos were leaked last summer. The total sellout of the American people to the insurance industry, and the free ride his administration has given the banksters cost him my second vote.
When I saw o'donnell give markos the slow pitch to throw Kucinich under the bus last night, my head exploded
. He conveniently neglected to talk about the stupak 13.
Also, three days ago,
“As I weigh it, I think -- for me -- a 'no' vote is something that I continue to lean toward," Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz told Salon.com today, "Especially the last additions -- that was kind of a slap in the face for all of us who fought for the public option."
So what about that markos?
07:10 PM on 03/10/2010
I saw somewhere today (I can't remember where now) that the deadline for entering a primary in Kucinich's district has passed, so the challenge point is mute.

I haven't been a Kos fan for years, seeing him as much like Obama, big on progressive talk but when it comes crunch time he pretty much backs the conservative view and disdains true progressives. Nothing much new in that regard.
07:17 PM on 03/10/2010
Off the RSS feed at the FDL News Desk but google found the link -

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/10/the-one-flaw-in-the-brilliant-plan/
09:36 PM on 03/10/2010
The whole challenge idea is absurd to me. Who are they going to get? Someone MORE progressive than Kucinch? Whoever this challenger might be, would the progressive wing really be comfortable with someone who's compromised away many of the core parts of the health care bill? I'd be worried about what else this so-called progressive congressperson would do if another important bill came up and the president and the rest of the liberals couldn't get their progressive act together, which apparently happens all the time.
04:41 PM on 03/11/2010
No. Blue Dog. Kos wants a Democrat in name only to replace Kucinich. As you say, Kucinich is as progressive as a Democrat can be. Kos is an idiot, and yes, he's an absurd idiot. He's crossed the line, and searching for corporate donors.