Ilan Goldenberg

Ilan Goldenberg

Posted: September 25, 2008 07:19 PM

Palin Calls Kissinger Naive

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In her interview with Katie Couric Sarah Palin essentially called Henry Kissinger naive and also proved that she just hasn't done her homework

Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and Syria. Do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President Assad and Ahmadinejad?

Palin: I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with. You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met. Barack Obama is so off-base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met. That's beyond naïve. And it's beyond bad judgment.

Couric: Are you saying Henry Kissinger ...

Palin: It's dangerous.

Couric: ... is naïve for supporting that?

Palin: I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, "Yeah, I'll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met." Diplomacy is about doing a lot of background work first and shoring up allies and positions and figuring out what sanctions perhaps could be implemented if things weren't gonna go right. That's part of diplomacy.

Actually.  That's exactly Henry Kissinger's position.  And Couric even went ahead and confirmed it with Kissinger after the interview.  Here is what Kissinger said just last week at a forum of five secretaries of state.

"I'm in favor of negotiating with Iran.  And one -- (unintelligible) -- of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East -- of a stable Middle East and our notion of nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it."

It's not only Kissinger's position.  It is James Baker and Colin Powell's position as well.   Here is what Powell said at the event.

Powell:  "we should start to talk to them. Don't wait for a letter coming from them. Start discussion. We've been talking to them up through 2003." Asked whether we should "take the initiative?" Powell responded, "Yeah. We shouldn't we? What are we afraid of? We did."

But who cares what Kissinger, Powell and Baker think.  Sarah Palin is running the country now...

In her interview with Katie Couric Sarah Palin essentially called Henry Kissinger naive and also proved that she just hasn't done her homework.  Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of...
In her interview with Katie Couric Sarah Palin essentially called Henry Kissinger naive and also proved that she just hasn't done her homework.  Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of...
 
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It looks like Palin was right and Katie Couric lied. I just heard Kissinger say that he does not support the idea of a U.S. President meeting with leaders from Iran and the like.
Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCFiW_3zoo

Couric put the word "naive" in Palin's mouth based on Couric's own lie. When are people going to start questioning the media. Did everybody forget about Dan Rather already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 09/29/2008
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Well guess what? If We don't make damn sure that we get out and vote and make sure that everyone We know who supports Obama gets out to vote Then this Woman will be running our Nation, And that's a scary thing.


OBAMA 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 09/28/2008
- carmen63 I'm a Fan of carmen63 3 fans permalink

Here an article in todays 'Dutch news which states that Palin agrees with Obama about attacking terrorists in Pakistan territory if their government do not act as needed . It is gettin even more confusing now! www.nu.nll):

Palin spreekt McCain tegen over Pakistan
Uitgegeven: 28 september 2008 08:06
Laatst gewijzigd: 28 september 2008 08:53

PHILADELPHIA - Wanneer al-Qaeda in Pakistan zit en de Pakistaanse regering de organisatie niet kan of wil aanpakken, dan moeten de Amerikaanse strijdkrachten dat vanuit Afghanistan doen.

Dat zei de Republikeinse vicepresidentskandidate Sarah Palin zaterdag tijdens een campagnebijeenkomst in de stad Philadelphia, meldden Amerikaanse media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 09/28/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Kissinger is naive about the ways the world really works, especially how the bad guys work. He thinks negotiations with dictators and totalitarians and communists and terrorists actually accomplishes something GOOD.

Just as North Vietnam had reached the conclusion that all was hopeless and they were on the verge of surrendering, Kissinger snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and lost all we had fought for, and unleashed the genocide in Cambodia, consigned many tens of thousands to forced labor, imprisonment, and death in South Vietnam, caused the mass exodus of Vietnamese "boat people," during which thousands died, as I recall. The benefit, I suppose, is that many came to the USA where they became doctors, restaurant owners, and other entrepreneurs.

But yes, Kissinger IS naive and often wrong. He just, as Obama does, says things in such a convincing way that few notice how wrong he is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 09/28/2008
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----As opposed to the past eight years of the Bush administration (with McCAIN's acquiescence) that have not convinced anyone of anything and still been incredibly wrong.

And your bad guy argument is simplistic and specious. Torture, domestic spying, lying us into a war, ignoring Habeous Corpus, FEMA failures.

Hmmmmmm.

The past eight years would ----to you, who sees bad guys everywhere— must really be frightening. Or are you just naive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 09/28/2008

I find it offensive that this woman is supposed to represent American Women. I myself am a working class "PTA Mum". I am looking to the future of my children and take my vote very serious. My decision is based on issues, not race or gender. It is evident that John McCain doesn't think very much of women and their views. John McCain is out of touch and at the end of his career.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 09/27/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

If you really care about your kids, you need to sit down, take a deep breath, study the issues, and think again.

"Think a Second Time" is a fine book by Dennis Prager that will help save you much time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 09/28/2008
- toby25 I'm a Fan of toby25 3 fans permalink

What is amazing people ( mainly women) will vote for McCain/Palin based on Palin just because they relate to her as a working mom, PTA, middle class etc. It doesnt matter that she doesnt know the Bush doctrine clearly or the history of McCain's voting record etc...just like college kids or african Americans will vote for the Obama/Biden ticket regardless of anything Obama does or says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 09/26/2008
- HerbTee I'm a Fan of HerbTee 97 fans permalink
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So I suppose White men don't vote for White politicians because they are White, huh? Some of you people really make me sick with this same old stupidity...that ALL women will vote for a woman candidate just as ALL African Americans will vote for a Black candidate. You think you have all the facts, don't you? You should really just shut up...you don't know what you're talking about!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 09/27/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

i agree......but it does work though........both sad and funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/27/2008
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Not me. I can't believe that working women would go for her. I am a working mom with three small children, I am on the PTA and I have many opinions on how we could do things better. But that does not automatically qualify me to be second in command of the most powerful nation in the world. If she were qualified, had a background and command of the workings in Washington, then fine give her a chance.

I totally do not agree with her on many of her views, but this is a democracy. Given that this is such an important election with the appointment of Supreme Court Justices and all of the scary things that are going on, I don't understand who in their right mind would want to give this woman control over our country. I believe this is a great country and that anyone who wants to be President should have the opportunity. I do not believe that you should just be able to wake up one day and say to yourself, "gee there's no good movies on tv, we went bowling last week, I'll run to be VP of The United States."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 09/28/2008

You never how ignorant a person is until they open their mouth. Palin should keep her mouth permanently shut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Et tu, luvienne.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 09/28/2008
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Clearly Sarah Palin knows more about negotiating than Henry Kissinger. She's had five babies. She has executive experience being Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

Of course, she's not taking care of her newborn now, but that doesn't matter. Isn't she cute?

What arrogance.

Good Grief. America elects this ditz and the old man team, we're cooked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 09/26/2008
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Well, let's be accurate about this.
Palin said that she was against America meeting with Ahmadinejad without any "preconditions" (what those preconditions are, I don't know.) Palin then said that she never heard Kissinger say that he advocated meeting with Ahmadinejad without preconditions either.
Mr. Golden then writes "Actually. That's exactly Henry Kissinger's position." But Mr. Golden doesn't back this statement up. He merely quotes Kissinger as saying that Kissinger supports negotiating with Iran.
Palin never said she opposes negotiating with Iran, just that certain preconditions must first be met. There is nothing in this article that supports Mr. Golden's position that Kissinger advocates meeting with Iran without any preconditions (maybe that is Kissinger's position, but there is nothing in this article to support it).
Therefore, despite the headline to this article, Palin did not call Kissinger (or his positions) naive.
There are plenty of things to complain of when it comes to Palin. You don't have to make stuff up. It just hurts your own credibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 09/26/2008

Read on in the article referenced http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.htmll):
"But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 09/27/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Note carefully--'opening of negotiations.' This is low-level discussions such as ARE GOING ON NOW AND ALL THE TIME.

Kissinger does NOT say that heads of state should meet without preconditions.

But I am sure you don't care. Reality and truth, as clearly evidenced by the feverish spreading of lies and rumors on this website, don't count among the true believers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 09/28/2008

Actually, the article and headline ARE accurate. The quote just wasn't long enough. If you follow the link in the article to the actual transcript of the discussion, then scroll down 1/4 of a page, you'll find the rest of the quote from Kissinger:

"But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government."

No conditions for the opening of negotiations sounds like "no pre-conditions", doesn't it? Kissinger does, however, favor (as does Obama) preparation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 09/27/2008

"But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government."

His precondition is this:
"We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government."

From that standpoint he had already said:
"But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations."

In this manner you're not advancing any of the other actions of who it is you're meeting with -- all adversary meetings of any kind are along these lines, be it a divorce, a law suit or whatever and it's especially true in foreign affairs.

On another note I think your readers might be interested in this, which has only minor implications to our subject but never the less, important:

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

you may need to copy and paste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 09/27/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

he does not as of last night support negotiating with Iran on a presidential level with no preconditions

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 09/27/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Kissinger's statement did NOT relate to heads of state meeting without preconditions. To claim otherwise is evidence of ignorance or of blatant lying--take your pick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 09/28/2008
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Palin is naive to presume that she can handle being VP. Please send her back to Wasilla.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/26/2008
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War criminal? Yes! Evil? Yes! Native? No, thank gawd (cannot be President).

NAIVE???????????

The only reason that I can figure that McCain chosen this woman is that he knows he will lost, the fix is in, and this is his way of giving the puppet masters the finger. Or maybe just to distract us. Or to insure his defeat in case the e-vote machines are banned? I dunno.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 09/26/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

"he knows he will lost" wow...........nice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 09/27/2008

As well she should. Kissinger is from Germany. Can he see Russia from his house? What does he know about foreign policy

Palin's Top 5 Scandals
http://current.com/items/89342991_top_5_palin_scandals

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 09/26/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 13 fans permalink

WHAT CAN THEY BE THINKING ?

I'd love to read what characteristics Palin posesses which would qualify her to be VP or PRES.? Let's have a list from our Republican, Conservative, " Independent " and other contributors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 09/26/2008
- darker I'm a Fan of darker 43 fans permalink

Characteristics of Palin: cuteness.

After having too many years of REPUBLICAN HYPOCRITES and nuts,
Obama and Biden are a breath of fresh air!

NO MORE YEARS
for corrupt Republian liars and crooks.
I CANNOT AFFORD REPUBLICANS ANY MORE!
They're too damn expensive!!

Republicans PROVED that they CAN'T GOVERN.
I cannot trust them at all.

my vote's for common sense leadership: Obama-Biden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 09/26/2008
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She's over 35 year old!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 09/26/2008

Characteistics of Palin are higer, if only even to Obama, except he's in it a little longer. She at least had executive experience, that is helpful. Had Obama been President a few months back - would have brought the troops home. As much as all of us would like this to happen, it would have been a huge huge error -- probably one where we would have had to actually return to Iraq. Probably the weakest area for both Palin and Obama is foreign affairs. So, I wouldn't fault Obama to much on foreign affairs or Palin.

Obama has chosen Biden, and if Palin were to become President she most likely would do what Obama has done -- pick someone with a lot of foreign affairs experience to be V.P.

More difficult part for the President is 'managing' this huge Government we have and honestly not many in the past have done this. So, in that light, Palin who has at least shown eagerness to CHANGE things is a bit of fresh air in the world of politics. Well overdue. Government in America is just way to big and growing always. Palin has at least taken on her own party, this is unheard of in politics. You may hate her because she's been such a hoopLa and I can understand that - the hoopLa for lack of a better word has been a bit much but if you can put that aside and look at what she's done, there's some

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 09/27/2008
- LZeagle I'm a Fan of LZeagle 2 fans permalink

Forgive me, but to have Sarah Palin describe Henry Kissinger as naive would be kind of like Paris Hilton calling Albert Einstein stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 09/26/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 13 fans permalink

DID PALIN EVEN KNOW WHO KISSINGER IS AND WAS? Her comment is too ignorant for words and is yet another proof of McSame's inability to lead. His most important campaign decision was an absurdity and a failure. Both Palin and McCain ought to be yanked by the Republicans now under any pretext they select. Get some reasonably qualified people on their ballot. It is beyond belief that this Palin/McSame ticket could even come close to winning unless the majority of voters are just plain stupid.

MORE PAIN WITH McSAME / Palin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 09/26/2008
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She met with him face to face this week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 09/26/2008

Henry Kissinger naive......hmmmm......i'm trying to compare the two resumes but i can't seem to find Gov. Quaylin's......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 09/26/2008
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SARAH PALIN
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters, general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters, journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters, B.A. in journalism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 09/28/2008
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