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Irene Monroe

Irene Monroe

Posted: December 16, 2008 06:54 PM

Gay is not the New Black


If you are African American and gay, and fighting alongside your white brothers and sisters for queer civil rights, the notion that "Gay is the new black" is not only absurdly arrogant, it is also dangerously divisive.

In a presumably "post-racial" era with the country's first African American president-elect, it's easy for some to assume that race doesn't matter.

But when critiquing the dominant white gay community's ongoing efforts to gain marriage equality and its treatment of blacks as their second-class allies in the struggle a reality check happens -- both straight and queer African American communities bond together against their strategy for marriage equality.

Why?

Because race does matter!

Case in point: Proposition 8 and blaming the black community for its win at the ballot box.

The Proposition 8 debate has brought much consternation and polarization between white gay community and African Americans.

And with the expectation of a dominantly white Marriage Equality movement pushing forward a single -- issue agenda, the movement arrogantly ignores vital ways for coalition -- building within black communities, and honorable ways of connecting their struggle to those of African Americans.

But there's an example that defused the tension in much of the heterosexual African American community when it was publicly arguing that same-sex marriage is not a civil rights issue.

In commemorating the 40th Anniversary of Loving v. Virginia in the June 12, 1967 historic Supreme Court decision that advanced racial and marriage equality in this country, the NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, Inc., marked the anniversary by stating the following: "It is undeniable that the experience of African Americans differs in many important ways from that of gay men and lesbians; among other things, the legacy of slavery and segregation is profound. But differences in historical experiences should not preclude the application of constitutional provisions to gay men and lesbians who are denied the fight to marry the person of their choice." And in April of 2006, NAACP LDF filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case brought by New York same-sex couples challenging their exclusion from marriage.

But the Marriage Equality movement neither extends its reach beyond its concerns within its community nor outside of it.

How the marriage debate should have been framed -- in a way that speaks truth to various queer communities of color and classes -- has not been given considerable concern.

And with no public language to adequately articulate the unique embodiment of queer communities of color and classes within the same-sex marriage debate, this has become contentious. The dominant white queer languaging of this debate, at best, muffles the voices of these communities, and, at worst, mutes them. In other words, in leaving out the voices of queer communities of color and classes, the same-sex marriage debate is hijacked by a white upper class queer universality that not only renders these marginalized queer communities invisible, but -- as it is presently framed -- also renders them speechless.

Within and across states the Marriage Equality movement persistently dons white leadership. Faces of color become important, visible and needed to the Marriage Equality movement only when the movement is actually pimping a black page from the civil rights movement for a photo-op moment to push their agenda.

Saying "Gay is the new black" poses the following problems for many African Americans:

* The Marriage Equality movement exploits black suffering and experiences to legitimate its own;

* The Marriage Equality movement's rallying cry against heterosexist oppression dismisses its own responsibility when it comes to white skin privilege.

* The Marriage Equality movement appropriates the content of the black civil rights movement, but discards the context and history that brought about it.

But this is not surprising because the larger queer movement has distorted, if not erased, its own history when it come to the Stonewall Riot of June 27-29, 1969 in Greenwich Village, New York City, which started on the backs of working-class African-American and Latino transgender patrons of the bar. Those brown and black queer people are not only absent from the photos of that historic night, but they are also bleached from the annals of queer history and gay pride events.

Because of the bleaching of the Stonewall Riots, the beginnings of queer movement post-Stonewall is an appropriation of black and brown transgender liberation narratives absent of black and brown people. And it is the visible absence of these black, brown and yellow queer people that makes it harder for white queer elites in our movement to confront their racism and trans-phobia.

If African American queerpeople are not included in the history and in the decision -making issues involving queer life, how then can the movement expect our participation, let alone the rest of the African American community?

Sadly, if racism continues to go unchecked in the Marriage Equality movement it won't only cost California's queer community the right to marry, it will cost us all.

 
 
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PoliticalRockChick
Sick of the bible & hypocrites
10:34 PM on 12/19/2008
I'm not religious/hate church. I have friends who are gay, some in the closet, fear of rejection by family. Gay is like being Black. They're called names, they're denied housing and jobs like the military. Same discrimination acts that blacks faced and are still continuing to face. I believe anyone who is denied the pursuit of happiness because they are different either by race, sexuality, gender, or religion, it's discrimination.

George Aiken once said "If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon."

Honey it's noon. It is now the Gays.
02:26 PM on 12/21/2008
Yes, but the one thing that makes your statement fallacious is that Blacks can't hide in the closet! Gays can. Therefore Gay is not like Black.
07:40 PM on 12/23/2008
So if we have to lie to ourselves and everyone else, and suppress everything that we are to keep from being discriminated against, then its OK? As long as we have that "option", we can't complain against discrimination?
07:40 PM on 12/19/2008
Irene, you make good points. I'm for gay marriage but I don't think the main proponents of it seem to be willing to differentiate between black history and gay history. They do differ tremendously. When Hillary Rozen said on CNN she "felt kicked in the teeth" (or something to that effect) by the Warren choice, she did a disservice to her cause. To me, her reaction was more hyperbolic than rational and plays into some of the negative stereotypes people have about gay people. She should have stated her opposition to the choice without sounding like a victim of the choice. The truth is, no one will die if gays can't marry. Even gays know this. This is a fight of principle and an important one. As long as white gay marriage proponents insist on equating their struggle to that of blacks, the harder it will be for them to gain the support of people outside their immediate demographic.
04:43 PM on 12/19/2008
Gay might not be the new black, but in my opinion gay is the new separate but equal ! This is a civil rights issue and make no mistake -discriminating against a group of people for any reason can not be condoned and is not justified. To me this is not just a gay issue and I am confident that the constitution will stand up in the end to this ridiculous states right argument. This argument is the same argument that was used against black people in the south.
05:39 PM on 12/19/2008
I think you are looking at this from a single-minded viewpoint. From a basic logical standpoint, homosexuality cannot be viewed in a racial context. People of all racial characteristics have the ability to be homosexual. Comparing homosexuality to skin color persecution is absolutely obsurd. When was the last time a homosexual was forced to work on a plantation for free, and kept as another person's property? Is there a direct reference in the constitution to homosexuals being worth 3/5 of a human being? I do agree the gay community should be allowed to be as miserable as a straight married couple. I am a firm believer in civil unions, and all the trappings which go along with this. The term "marriage" has a religious connotation, and attaching homosexuality to a religious reference is sacreligious to most people of faith. It is hard to be a christian and not believe in the teachings of the bibile. If this point holds true, here is the source of why Prop 8 failed.
02:15 AM on 12/31/2008
When was the last time a black person was forced to work on a plantation for free? What about the fact that women were essentially the property of their husbands and could be and often were the victims of various kinds of rape? Was it an injustice? Of course it was but no one alive in the US today was ever a slave (in the US). There were certainly those who suffered greatly during segregation and "integration."

There are also those who still suffer due to racism and de facto segregation and violence against minorities in small backward communities across the US (like the craphole I grew up in), but guess what gay people have been being murdered and harassed for being effeminate and attempting to maintain life long partnerships with members of the same sex for thousands of years. Being gay was considered wrong during Greek and Roman times as well, despite some of the misinterpretations of history you may hear being spouted off by some LGBT people desperate for some kind of positive affirmation of themselves. (I don't understand why they look to the violent culture of the Greeks and Romans though, we got a few good things from them but most of their culture was nasty and brutish.)
02:16 AM on 12/31/2008
There was much wrong done to many people in the past and still to this day. Yet, all I keep hearing from many individuals are excuses for why they can't better their lives themselves. They think that life should be easy like on TV but it isn't. Young people across America today do not appreciate the horrors their ancestors suffered for the enormous opportunities available to us today. I am guilty of making excuses for myself but I am working hard to get past that. Making your life better, really better, is very hard work and it requires perseverance in the face of continual setbacks, pain, and false starts and for many it will require that they turn their backs on everything that they know and start over again from scratch. Leaving behind everything you've ever known is frightening but if where you live is awful move somewhere that isn't. And if there isn't anywhere than make somewhere a place it can be (like gays did in the Castro in San Francisco).
02:38 PM on 12/21/2008
No. You will never see gays enter the store from the back door, not being served at a restaurant, being charged more rent, being turned down for a loan, forced to walk miles past any good school to have to go to a "gay" school, told to that he or she should train to be a janitor instead of going to college, etc.; etc.; etc.;
Although a few have been lynched it's very debateable whether or not a straight person did the lynching. Stop trying to hitch a ride on the backs of Blacks and stand up for yourselves.
Many Blacks have lost their very lives for the struggle. Are you willing to do the same. If not then stay put where you are. Don't expect someone to do for you what you won't do for yourself.
07:30 PM on 12/23/2008
In the 1950's there were many places were it was illegal for gays to work in restaurants, or for two or more gays to be in the same restaurant at the same time.

In the 1990's my partner and I were living in an apartment building that was largely gay. When the building was bought, the new owners declared that "unmarried" couples would have to pay double the rent or leave. Most of us left, and the few that stayed had their leases broken for phony reasons. I have known plenty of gay teens harrassed to the point that they had to leave the regular school to go to the gay school. Except there aren't any gay schools in Miami, so they dropped out. And dropping out of high school because you are gay = no college, janitor job.

Any other ignorant statements you need debunked?
01:50 AM on 12/18/2008
I think its needs to be noted... while yes the gay community and activists have left out minority communities in outreach and yes a lot of bigoted statements have come out of the passage of proposition 8, the gay struggle is hard and has been fought strongly. I merely think its important to note the mistakes made so something like this cannot happen again. Eventually I do hope that we can all fight in the struggle for human rights but I think its important that we work on our approach within the movement. I feel like sometimes my anger in the comments made by people post prop 8, overshadows the fact that I think we all should be fighting for equal rights.

I think most importantly what this article does is show concerns that people are afraid to see... some movements are flawed period.
07:21 PM on 12/17/2008
There were two white guys who were on national tv talking about black people Dan Savage and Some guy named Wayne B. I am not sure of his last name. Help me out someone. These guys were on Bill Oreilly and CNN talking about black people and how our vote was bigoted etc. Oreilly asked the question why are you not marching on the black church? I don't think there was an answer. We all know why gay people are not marching on black churches. Where are these self appointed gay leaders? Where are their repudiation of hate? I guess they don't want to be on TV talking about it because they were race baiting. They were not right wingers as some want to blame for the hate. These were gay men.......why is no one calling on these busters to apologize to blacks for using us as scapegoats? As a black woman the last thing I need are two white men trying to tell me I don't understand their issue. How condescending.
09:25 PM on 12/17/2008
Bessen is his last name... he is a columnist with 365gay.com and he has written some of the most appalling things about race and prop 8
10:04 PM on 12/17/2008
Is he still ranting and raving about black people and how we are bigots? The gay community has some big problems and starting a fight with black people is not the way to get your rights. Exploiting the black experience with an offensive phrase on a poster and a t shirt as if it was some sort of fashion trend is a dumb idea. I guess the reason the advocate had a cover story with "gay is the new black" is racist management?
Black people lets hold the hands of our gay brothers and sisters and sing KUMBAYA..........we must all work for equal rights for everyone.................NOT
06:32 PM on 12/17/2008
I think we have some revisionist history going on here......
Black people did not start this little riff. Black people were accused of oppressing the gays in California after the election......on this website and others blacks were called N words etc. Others have written below what they saw or heard. We were being used as scapegoats by an inept gay organization. They needed to get their little base fired up so they thought they would use the tried and true scapegoat and guess what it worked. The gays got all fired up and started acting like fools..........
Guess what black people all over the country saw this crap....it is not all right that you use us as scapegoats.....it is not all right that you call us N words, want us hanged and now that the facts you thought were true were not true you want us to hold hands and sing KUMBAYA.....read some of the posts here and on the subject........lots of white gay racists....the larger gay community needs to denounce the hatred...........sickening............
06:55 PM on 12/17/2008
There are some bloggers who pose as gay, stir things up, and that is unfortunate. I think anyone gay or straight who targets the black community over prop 8 is shameful.
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05:40 PM on 12/19/2008
Typical...blame the victims for not winning and claiming they just didn't do it right.

Yeah sure.

The black community is indeed the last group of people to deny civil rights to others. Do I blame them entirely? No but they could have swayed the vote by remembering what it is like to be denied basic civil and human rights? Yes, but they let THEIR prejudice and religion deny a group of people THEIR right to civil rights.
03:07 PM on 12/21/2008
LiberalBuzz
I am a 56 year old Black woman who believes that it's none of my business who someone chooses for a mate. Therefore I voted no on prop 8. I have friends who voted yes that are Black. You and people like you are the reason I never tried to convince them otherwise. First of all the Black vote is not a swing vote because of disenfranchisement through the justice system. Obama would've still been elected without the Black vote.
And as far as Blacks "remembering" what it's like to be denied civil rights how can we forget when we are reminded everyday while racism is not dead, but still lives in the hearts of people like you.
I agree with Ms. Monroe that "gay is not Black". First of all Black can not hide in the closet.
Gay feels that Black needs to give them a lift and hitch a free ride on the back of the Black struggle. That's alright, because," You ain't heavy. You're my Brother". MLK and countless others have lost their very lives for the struggle. We shed our blood everyday that racism lives.
Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to die for what you believe is right?
You want Blacks to do for you what you aren't willing to do for yourselves.
Get off our backs and walk the Green Mile for yourself. Prove you're worthy....
05:54 PM on 12/17/2008
I find it very sad that we have to educate anyone to be tolerant of gays & lesbians, or that we must fight in the streets for the right to marry the person we love. I'm not a person of privilege, but I donated all I could to fight prop 8 even though I live in a state that already has a ban. You think this is just a California fight??? Well guess what...........I'm not a racist, I don't equate you being black with me being gay. I know your feelings are hurt, but you are targeting the whole gay community with your accusations. It's not just an LA or SF thing, we are nation wide. I'm not a queer, those are fighting words where I live!
06:11 PM on 12/17/2008
Having privilege is obviously as I said something people choose not to except. Of course its sad to have to educate people, but I mean for years blacks were and are trying to educate and prove they were equal. I mean come on its what WE have to to.
06:41 PM on 12/17/2008
Just what do you classify as privilege??? Geffen, DeGeneres, Etheridge, Sykes?
05:14 PM on 12/17/2008
Hadn't you heard? The struggle of blacks in America is so yesterday...."Gay is the New Black" gawd!
05:13 PM on 12/17/2008
Wow there are far to many things being said in these comments that just don't make sense.

As a black lesbian I think Ms. Monroe is right. With all people who have privilege its hard for some people to accept.

It is the responsibility of members of the LGBTQ community to acknowledge their privilege and work to educate minority communities. There is blame that needs to go to gay rights activist that they don't want to accept. One cannot expect a community to just agree with another minority, it is the gay activist job to educate and inform. Leaving communities of color and of lower class out of outreach cannot be done anymore. How about someone take responsibility for that!

the marriage equality movement, though a positive, shows again the issues within our own gay community. People with the most money run these campaigns and these are gay white men, who have everything but marriage equality. What about people in our trans community murdered on a weekly basis if we could get half the involvement maybe that would mean something or our queer teenagers of color who are homeless and yet are still being overlooked by our communities? The gay activists don't have clean hands in this and until they realize this nothing will change. Accept your privilege and lets move together. We need to do outreach in black and latino communities, but that would mean accepting privilege and it seems like people are afraid of that.
05:51 PM on 12/17/2008
Again, what's with the use of the disparaging word "queer" in a seemingly serious piece and this seemingly serious comment?
06:31 PM on 12/17/2008
some people take queer in a activist sense... From what I have heard a lot of its a generational difference.... I apologize if it offended anyone.
06:33 PM on 12/17/2008
I'm confused Ashley. Why do you think it's the responsibility of gay white males to do outreach in the black & latino communities? Wouldn't the issue be better heard if someone within that ethnic group were to address gay marriage?
07:01 PM on 12/17/2008
So now we are typecasting who talks to people. If you are black talk to black people if you are mexican talk to mexicans. It doesn't make sense. Most people respond to those who are aware of their situations. I have been on plenty of panels for white classes at my university and as long as I acknowledge who I am and that I can't understand whiteness they are responsive. Of course it is the duty of gay white men (who have the majority of money) to not only focus on other white men... I think the point is the gay rights movement forgot to reach out to minorities communities as they didnt seem important, but with the prop 8 vote being so close it appears now these communities must be addressed. We all should be a part of outreach if we can and want to be a part of the movement.
03:16 PM on 12/21/2008
I'm confused at you smithshaw, because there is way more white gay males in the US who are eligible to vote than there are Black people put together. So what happened?
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04:42 PM on 12/17/2008
I've posted this same comment elsewhere on this article but it bears repeating:

Seems that all the gay academics that weight in are not from sociology or social psychology.

Irving Goffman's classic text "Stigma and the management of a spoiled identity" from the early 1960's is the best reference for this debate (btw its a cheap book and an easy read).

Goffman states that there are two types of stigmas: visible and invisible.

Race obviously is a visible stigma (as well as handicaps). He specifically discussed homosexuality as an invisible stigma, one that may be kept from public view.

In detail Goffman details the different consequences each stigma has for the individual, their identity and sense of self.

So according to a classic text in Sociology, Gay cannot be the new Black.
07:44 AM on 12/18/2008
1. The statement is not "sociological."
2. Last weekend an Ecuadorian immigrant in Brooklyn was beaten to death because he and his brother were mistaken for gay. Clearly SOMETHING seemed visible to his murderers.
Perhaps Guffman's "classic text" needs an overhaul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/opinion/17wed3.html
03:41 PM on 12/17/2008
Irene Monroe wrote: "The Marriage Equality movement exploits black suffering and experiences to legitimate its own."

Exploits?

Ms. Monroe misses the point entirely. Blacks are a minority in this country who suffered (and suffer) at the hands of the majority because of a physical characteristic outside their control. Gays are a minority in this country who suffer at the hands of the majority because of a physical characteristic outside their control (sexual orientation is NOT a choice). It's as simple as that.

The Marriage Equality movement isn't exploiting anybody or anything. They're fighting for equal rights and it's perfectly legitimate to compare this movement to the civil rights movement.
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03:36 PM on 12/17/2008
Who is this dominant white gay community to which Monroe is referring? I have been involved in the gay rights movement since its beginning in the 60's, and have always found that when the community comes together on an issue, it is remarkably color-blind. When the a black bar was raided in New York in the 80's--years after Stonewall (the name was "Blues", as I recall), the whole gay community turned out in outrage. And there are particular issues to gay people that blacks as a group have never faced--children being turned out of the home for revealing their gay status, for example.

The numbers among the black community re Prop 8 were disappointing. I attribute them more to the black movement's foundation in the organized church, and the ability of some church leaders (so far) to use biblical teachings out of context and the "group-think mentality" of those seeking spiritual answers to oppress us.

Trying to build into law a special heterosexual right to marry is very similiar to laws barring interracial marriage in an earlier time. So there are similarities to which the black community should be able to relate.

But an organized "gay white majority"? The gay community is one of the most color-blind and diverse of any community, in my experience, with broad-spectrum acceptance of human differences, whether color or otherwise.
05:54 PM on 12/17/2008
there is huge problem there when you say that the gay community is colorblind. colorblindness is actually not a positive. We dont live in a world of post race and therefore, color blindness in a why completely denies people their identity and disregards white privilege
04:08 PM on 12/21/2008
You're wrong. As many gay people in America there is if you all were all colorblind we would still have affirmative action. It's not a biggy, but it was a step in the right direction. If what you say is true then what happened? What happened is many homosexual whites are liberal concerning sexual rights only and are just as racist as any other racist. Yes, you're gay, but you're not black. If you were you would not even be concerned with gay marriage. You would be concened with being unemployed, in prison, or dead! Now! Marriage to Blacks is a luxury. Whether it's same sex or not and are not even thinking about marriage period. We're thinking about trying to keep our job that one or more persons are trying to put us out of. We're thinking about choosing the paths we need to take in our everyday lives to keep the police from profiling us and charging us with a crime that has been proven many times that we did not commit. We're thinking about how we're going to stay alive from day to day while you all are thinking about weddings and parties.
So can you all get off our backs.
Stop blaming prop 8 on Black churches.
Coretta Scott King was a staunch advocate for gay rights, but I'll bet if I walk into one or any of you alls resouce centers you will have nothing on your bulletin boards about her or her advocacy.
03:08 AM on 12/31/2008
I'm white and gay and lower/middle class and I try and work on issues to better the lives of all people, including people of color. I know as a white male I have certain undeserved advantages in life but I try and use those advantages for the good of others because I want to leave a better world for my nephew and any kids I might be fortunate to have one day. So long as large swaths of our population live in grinding poverty none of us can rest easy due to the social problems caused by grinding poverty.
03:15 PM on 12/17/2008
Sorry Irene, but while the statement has special inferences for you, it is, taken in context, histoirically true.
When public racism became unnaceptable in the 1970s, the Southern Baptist Convention, which was formed in 1845 to support slavery, apologized for its shameful past. Sadly, at that same meeting in New Orleans its new target became gays and lesbians.
At the same time, the Mormon Church, too, broke with its own brand of religion-backed racism at which time it, too, conveniently discovered gay people.
These negative religions need demons in the flesh, and they demonize gays, just as they once did blacks - it's an excellent way to raise money from freightened straight white people.
As far as black voters are concerned, I am sure that number, too, breaks along religious lines.
Is there still discrimination according to race? Of course.
But it is not acceptable in these United States to publicly describe blacks as less than human and a danger to society.
Gay folks are still there.
05:33 PM on 12/17/2008
Are you actually trying to use a "one up" in oppression model to justify the statement! Oh God!
There two are not the same end point.
04:17 PM on 12/21/2008
I voted no on prop 8, but you people here need to understand that it takes more than just mere voting. You have to fight and struggle. You have to be willing to lay down your very life if it's that important to you. Gay folks are not still there. Gay folks are thinking about weddings and parties while Blacks are trying to stay employed, stay out of prison, and stay alive. Show me how these things compare to each other.... Uh uh.
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02:56 PM on 12/17/2008
The word queer used 18 times.

The word gay used 8 times. And 2 of those were necessary because they were qoutes.

Interesting.
03:43 PM on 12/17/2008
Great observation. What's with that?
09:56 PM on 12/17/2008
Not that interesting or that worthy of being counted, really...
02:56 PM on 12/17/2008
Your overall argument that the "movement" needs unity is correct.

However, your suggestion that blacks can't get on board is ridiculous, and petty at best. Seems you are suggesting that if those rich, white homos would just try to include blacks a little more, something would get done.

Well newsflash - everyone had the opportunity to vote and they did. They voted to deny equal rights. It's not about black, white, rich, poor, gay or straight. It's about equal rights - and no matter what color or creed you claim to be, voting to deny others the same opportunities you are afforded is wrong.

You're right, race does matter. But if you think the LGBT community needs to put its needs/rights on hold to hold the hands of the black community, you're sadly mistaken. Take a look at anti-discrimination law and you'll see race is everywhere. Sexual orientation and gender identity are not.
04:37 PM on 12/21/2008
Don't call no Blacks petty for not wanting to ride you on their backs. Also tell those White folks that voted yes on prop 8 that they were wrong too. And you evidently are speaking to yourself when you talk about "same opportunities". Black people shed their blood and died just to be able to go to school and vote. You never had to do anything like that. I voted no on prop 8 simply because it's none of my business who any chooses as a mate.
If you really had a hammer you wouldn't even be here on this page. You would be somewhere doing for yourself instead of blaming Black people for your problems. You're thinkibg about weddings and parties. We're still struggling. Obama wants to hold your hand. Not me. He needs you. I don't.