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Interview with Porn Scholar on Tiger Woods Sex Scandal

Posted: 04/08/10 06:21 PM ET

The Tiger Woods sex scandal has been a boon to the tabloids, cable TV and radio talk shows, not to mention late night comics, bloggers and untold others in media. Infidelity, sex addiction, compulsive behavior, and the perils of fame have been dissected and discussed, but one sociologically notable aspect of the scandal has largely escaped critical scrutiny: the fact that Woods's sexuality has, apparently, been profoundly influenced by porn culture. The evidence goes beyond his seeming obsession with porn stars. The very language he used in his infamous sex messages - which have been published by mainstream news organizations as well as circulated online across the world - suggests that Woods (mis)learned a lot about sex, and women, from his consumption of pornography.

Due to Tiger Woods's worldwide fame and iconic status, the publication of those messages provides educators, parents, and anti-violence activists with a teachable moment about pornography and its impact on contemporary American masculinity; the difference between a person's public image and their private behavior; the limits of privacy in the digital age; the importance of integrity and leadership both on and off the course/court/field; and the need for men who claim to care about their wives, girlfriends, daughters and mothers to treat them -- and all women -- with respect and dignity.

Since a significant portion of my work is focused on media culture and its role in the production and reproduction of social norms of masculinity, and because there has been so little discussion of the porn angle in the Tiger Woods scandal, I interviewed a leading cultural theorist, author and scholar of pornography, Dr. Gail Dines, to hear her views on this subject. Dines's new book, Pornland: How the Pornography Industry is Hijacking Our Sexuality, is scheduled to be released by Beacon Press in July. (Blogger's note: Gail Dines is a friend and colleague of mine).

My hope is that while this subject is highly sensitive, and can be awkward and potentially controversial for some people, the Tiger Woods debacle can be used as a catalyst to jump-start a long overdue national conversation about pornography and men's sexuality. Surely, at a time when men's sexual abuse and exploitation of women (and men) is in the news on a daily basis, and Tiger Woods is on the sporting world's center stage at the Masters golf tournament, we can all benefit from an honest exploration and debate about some of the cultural forces that contribute to the ongoing crisis of men's violence.

JK: People who are familiar with contemporary porn culture immediately recognized the language Woods was using in his sex messages to one of his "lovers" -- including his reference to "DP" (double penetration) and his allusion to ATM (ass-to-mouth). Yet there has been very little discussion about porn in the explosion of media commentary and analysis of the great golfer's mega-scandal. It's almost as if the influence of porn in Woods's life is hidden in plain sight. Why so little mention and discussion about its role? Do you think people in media are aware of this but choose not to discuss it, for fear of either looking prudish -- or too knowledgeable?

GD: As soon as I read the Tiger Woods texts I knew this was a guy who liked porn. Acts like DP, ATM and choking are now commonplace, while a decade ago they would have been on the fringes of the porn industry. Porn is missing from the discussion for a number of reasons, but I think one of the main ones is that many people, especially women and men over 35 or so, are really unaware of just how violent and brutal porn has become. I am always surprised in my presentations when people have an image of porn that is at least twenty years out-of-date - a naked young woman on a beach smiling coyly at the camera. Today, in place of coy smiles are sex acts that are violent and cruel and that push the woman's body to the limits of human endurance. Called "gonzo" by the industry, this genre makes no attempt at a story line and gets right down to the business of hardcore sex, scene after scene.

When reading Tiger Woods's texts, it is easy to think that Woods is just a sexual outlier, rather than seeing him as typical of someone who has been deeply affected by gonzo porn. To bring porn into the discussion would mean that we have to raise the question of just how these images impact on users, but few people in the media or elsewhere want to go there for fear of being called a prude. What is astonishing today is how successful the porn industry has been in linking porn with sex to such a degree that to criticize porn is to get slapped with the label "anti-sex." But sex in porn is not just sex - it's a particular representation of a type of sex that is debased, dehumanized, formulaic and generic, a sex based not on individual fantasy, play or imagination, but one that is the result of an industrial product created by (mostly) corporations.

To appreciate just how bizarre it is to collapse a critique of pornography into a critique of sex, think for a minute if someone was criticizing McDonald's for its exploitive labor practices, its destruction of the environment, and its impact on our diet and health. Would anyone accuse the critic of being anti-eating or anti-food? I suspect that most people would separate the firm (McDonald's) and the industrial product (hamburgers) from the act of eating and would understand that the critique was focused on the large-scale impact of the fast food industry and not the human need, experience, and joy of eating.

To collapse porn and sex into one is to allow the porn industry to control the discussion on the role of porn in shaping our sexual landscape. We need to develop a critique of porn that sees it as a major form of sex education in a society awash with misogyny and violence against women. Above all, we need to stop letting the pornographers define our sexuality in ways that serve their industry but undermine our human capacity for connection and intimacy.

JK: The sex messages that Tiger Woods sent to one of the women with whom he had an affair, porn star Joslyn James, have been reprinted in countless media outlets over the past couple of weeks. Several of the messages contain openly violent and degrading language: "I want to treat you rough, throw you around, spank and slap you." "You are my #*% whore. I want to hold you down while I choke you." "(I will) slap your face and pull your hair for making noise." It might come as a shock to some people that this sort of language comes straight out of mainstream pornography. When did porn get so brutal and openly misogynist?

GD: There has, of course, always been violent porn, but it wasn't until the mass adoption of the internet that overtly violent acts became increasingly mainstream. As the internet brought porn into the home, more men and boys had access to it in a way never seen before. It is important to be reminded of how porn use has shifted for both men and boys, since this provides a clue into why we now see so much cruelty. Previous generations of boys would most likely find their father's Playboy, or perhaps Penthouse, and use these images as masturbatory tools. As much as these images sexualized and objectified women, they are nothing like those they get introduced to today, now that their first experience is with hardcore porn images that include gagging, DP and very rough anal sex. The more men and boys use porn, the more they become desensitized and bored, and hence the harder the images need to be to keep them interested. The average age of first time viewing is 11, so by the time they enter their early twenties, the guys are going to be pretty jaded. Playboy-like images are simply not going to get much of a response if you have been brought up on gonzo.

Couple this with the intense competition on the internet for consumers and what you have is an industry always on the lookout for some new twist to add that extra sizzle. This is why we are seeing an explosion in niche markets such as teen porn, black porn, gagging porn, and bondage porn. The goal in all of these is to heighten the debasement of the women since the more debased she is, the hotter the porn. When I interview porn producers, even they are surprised at just how hard core porn has become, and they are equally surprised that they continue to get away with producing such images. This speaks volumes as to how little we as a society care about the way women are treated.

The big question for the pornographers is what to do next. They have, after all, done practically everything that can be done to the female short of killing her. As one industry producer told me "this is an industry fast running out of ideas." As he said this, his latest movie was playing in the background, which showed a woman being anally penetrated as she lay in a coffin. As a generation of young users grows into adulthood, they are going to seek out increasingly bizarre and cruel images, and the pornographers are going to have to figure out how to meet their needs, or lose them to a competitor.

JK: You have written about the deep racism of the pornography industry. In fact, many people who defend the industry and its products on free speech grounds, including white progressives and social justice activists, would probably be embarrassed at the open racism in porn videos today. Since any discussion about the cultural impact of Tiger Woods must by definition include race, can you say anything about how race plays out in this scandal?

GD: The Tiger Woods scandal was tailor-made for pornography since it involves a black man and white women. Indeed, the porn industry, never missing a chance to make money, just produced a film called "Tiger's Got Wood," which featured a supposedly look-alike Tiger Woods with a bevy of white women. This interracial porn, as it's called by the industry, is now one of the most popular niche markets, and it trades in the most racist of stereotypes. The focus of these movies is on the black penis -- often referred to as "monstrous," "enormous," "gigantic" -- and the so-called damage it can do to small white women. The black men are cast as sexual predators similar to Gus in the infamous movie Birth of a Nation, and yet there is little outcry.

Take for example the racist comments made by Don Imus when he described the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy headed ho's." Following a concerted campaign by the African-American community, CBS fired him amidst a public outcry and a mass exodus of corporate sponsors from his show. But what barely merited a comment was a press release issued three weeks later from the porn company Kick Ass Pictures, announcing its intention to donate one dollar from every sale of its new movie, titled Nappy Headed Ho's, to the Don Imus retirement fund.

So the obvious question is: why does the porn industry get away with a level of racism that would simply not be tolerated in any other media form? One possible explanation is that porn, by sexualizing racism, renders it invisible. Instead of being seen for the racism it is, it is instead eroticized and classed as "hot sex," made hotter by the presence of a black male body that has historically been coded as deviant, animalistic and predatory. As Cornel West once said, one of the major stereotypes of blacks is that they have "dirty, disgusting, and funky sex." What could be better than that for the pornographers?

Progressives have been amazingly quiet on the issue of racism in porn, and part of the reason, I suspect, is that they don't want to get linked with the right-wing groups that protest porn. But being silent on this issue ignores the fact that these images, like all racist images, impact on the way we construct our notions of reality, and the more white men use the images, the more they cement past racist images in the present. If this was acknowledged, then maybe we would also have to acknowledge that watching a woman being choked as she is called a filthy whore could affect the way we see women in the real world.

NOTE: This interview is Part 1 of a two-part interview. I will post Part 2, which will cover the topic of porn culture more extensively, in July, 2010, when Dr. Dines's book Pornland is released.


 
 
 
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11:55 AM on 06/06/2010
Jackson and Gail,

Sorry that the consensual sex that millions of people like to view and find the most "hot" doesn't conform to your "shoulds". By all means stick to viewing Playboys if that is what you prefer.

The question of why millions of people find it hot is more interesting than your sweeping condemnation of it. I would like to see some good brain studies done on it. Perhaps it is in our DNA? I wouldn't be surprised.
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AJKenn
Black social/sexual progressive/Leftist
04:57 PM on 04/17/2010
Oh, please.

Gail Dines and Jackson Katz are about as qualified to pass judgment on Eldrick "Tiger" Woods as NARTH's Paul Cameron is to pass judgment on Andrew Sullivan.

Both Dines and Cameron are nothing more than cranks who use their respective platforms to promote scapegoating and sexual censorship.

Both Dines and Cameron use slipshod "research" front-loaded with ideological biases and leading questions to rationalize their ideological platforms.

Yet, because Dines calls herself a "radical feminist", her brand of nonsense is considered more acceptable to Mr. Katz than Cameron's....just because the latter's is bought and paid for by the Religious Right??

If Tiger Woods had been a fundie Christian and only cheated on his wife with conservative-minded Black women, would we even be hearing from Professor Dines on this?? I'd think not. But hey, since he happens to be (half) Black and happened to cheat on Erin with a couple of porn starlets, I guess that he's a perfect guinea pig for Katz's and Dines's antiporn "feminist" "research", right??

Porn didn't caise Tiger Woods to stray. He did that all by himself.

Anthony
02:53 PM on 04/14/2010
Why be so defensive and deny and distance ourselves from the reality that surrounds us? Let's be honest.
Porn is everywhere. I've been exposed to very violent porn. I've seen plenty of gagging and multiple penetration and pain and over-the-top name calling and forceful physicality.
I even sought it out at times. Some of this was at a youngish age. It affected me. I wish I could erase the stamps that some of it has made on my memory and my ideas about sex.
Must I call for the eradication of erotic imagery and videos? Will I crusade for censorship? No.
The McDonald's analogy speaks to me. We can speak out against the misogyny, racism, dehumanizing, and violence and still love a good f*#k! We can stand up and say that this is NOT the reality that I accept! I can be an erotic, sexually vibrant person and have no need for media that devalues people. I can even seek pleasure through domination (or submission), so long as there is always consent.
Porn saturates our culture in such a way that it is influencing our very ideas about what is normal or acceptable or healthy. And that sucks for us, and it sucks for our children.
01:32 AM on 04/12/2010
Writing this article is total presumptious. I am not convinced that James did not have someone fabricate the text msgs. They are totally inconsistent with other text comments to other women. The syntax and flow of language is off. Further, they were released on a dare with Gloria Allred, so that further made the a bit convenient - 300 texts? when Tiger was involved with winning 7 golf tournaments, doing golf clinics and attending to sponsor requirements, then simultaneously invovled with three other "women?" Its a bit much.

So you soliciting input from this expert when the evidence is questionable make the outcome spurious and invalid in my view.
08:10 AM on 04/11/2010
I'm a male and I consider Jackson Katz as one of my heroes. I think we need more men like him.
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Mister Biggles
03:24 PM on 04/11/2010
Do we need more women like Paris Hilton to balance nature? Or is the total feminization of the world the end goal?
08:58 PM on 04/11/2010
this movement has nothing to do with "feminization". it has to do with advocating for basic human dignity.
12:51 AM on 04/11/2010
Chris Cody: "I have viewed interracial porn and have not seen it as violent. "

Ms. Dines' specific point in reference to interracial porn was about racial stereotyping.

Ms. Dines wasn't even blanket attacking the entire porn industry -- just bringing to light the historical trend of it becoming more and more violent, debased and mainstream, and questioning the implications with regards to masculine sexuality.

Sounds like the rest of these negative peeps didn't even read the article before they let loose with the defensive pro-porn hyperbole, straw men, red herrings, and condescension.

ironically, their knee-jerk, incoherent defensive response just shows all over again how pervasive an influence pornography is in our culture. And, for the record (cuz some yahoo is bound to bring it up, and if no one else, it was me :P ):

holding up porn as an icon of freedom of speech OR sex positivity is like holding up Jim Jones as an idol of freedom of religion. like kool-aid much? maybe you should cut back a little...

Excellent article and analysis -- thank you both Mr. Katz and Ms. Dines!
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AJKenn
Black social/sexual progressive/Leftist
05:58 PM on 04/17/2010
Responding to ethanay:

Ms. Dines' specific point in reference to interracial porn was about racial stereotyping.

Ms. Dines wasn't even blanket attacking the entire porn industry -- just bringing to light the historical trend of it becoming more and more violent, debased and mainstream, and questioning the implications with regards to masculine sexuality.

Oh, really?? Never mind all of Professor Dines' life-long activism against porn as the root cause of rape and violence against women, her open support of censorious legislation designed to outlaw all sorts of consensual sexual commerce (such as the law she helped pass in Rhode Island banning the last vestiges of legal sex work), and her own statements rejecting and repudiating any alternative form of sexual expression that doesn't meet her standards (including couples and "feminist" porn as well as porn created by women for women).

The myth of porn becoming "more violent, debase, and mainstream" is just rhetoric. The overwhelming majority of heterosexual sexual media out there consists basically the kind of vanilla sex that most ordinary people do in the privacy of their homes. There is a small subgenre of porn that caters to the more openly misogynistic fantasies of a few extremist men, but that genre is openly disparaged by most porn-consuiming men and women. (For that matter, there is also a small subgenre of the same type of porn featuring dominant women "abusing" men...how does that contribute to the attitudes of men degrading women??

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AJKenn
Black social/sexual progressive/Leftist
06:09 PM on 04/17/2010
[continuing my response to ethanay]

Sounds like the rest of these negative peeps didn't even read the article before they let loose with the defensive pro-porn hyperbole, straw men, red herrings, and condescension.

ironically, their knee-jerk, incoherent defensive response just shows all over again how pervasive an influence pornography is in our culture. And, for the record (cuz some yahoo is bound to bring it up, and if no one else, it was me :P ):

Projecting much, ethernay?? I''d say that someone using Tiger Woods as an example of every man who consumes porn, and exploits his private kink fantasies as proof of how porn inevitably causes men to rape and abuse women, is the one building strawmen and being condensending.

holding up porn as an icon of freedom of speech OR sex positivity is like holding up Jim Jones as an idol of freedom of religion. like kool-aid much? maybe you should cut back a little...

Except that no porn user ever led a group of people to a cult and had them kill themselves with spiked Kool-Aid. Nor did any porn user or defender of consensual sexual expression ever attempt to pass regressive legislation over as "progressive", then invent mad conspiracies about their critics.

Gail Dines and her antiporn "feminist" colleagues are far closer to that description than any defender of consensual sexual expression ever will be.

Anthony
03:43 PM on 04/24/2010
"Gail Dines and her antiporn "feminist" colleagues are far closer to that description than any defender of consensual sexual expression ever will be."

Ironic, considering that Gail Dines IS defending consensual sexual expression. Most porn is pictures of prostitution, and most prostitution is modern day slavery (human sex trafficking), a huge problem. The fastest growing form of organized crime -- overtaking drugs and guns. Porn is legal, but prostitution isn't -- that's like having murder illegal, but it being perfectly legal to record a murder, reproduce it, and sell it for profit everywhere. The fact that it even needs much debate shows how confused and inconsistent our entire society is.

"Projecting much, ethernay?? I''d say that someone using Tiger Woods as an example of every man who consumes porn, and exploits his private kink fantasies as proof of how porn inevitably causes men to rape and abuse women, is the one building strawmen and being condensending."

Ironic statement, considering you just built a strawman and projected it...when in this article -- in fact, tell men when EVER -- did Gail Dines make the argument, "porn inevitably causes men to rape and abuse women" ????

Yeah, Anthony, good discussion, but IMO you're just another defensive apologist.

If you want to talk about the potential racism involved of the media jumping on the Woods scandal...that's something I'd love to see more of. But I'm not going to ignore the inherent sexism of patriarchal masculine sexual entitlement in the process.
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David Ramirez
06:37 PM on 04/10/2010
The author is right. People who need all the "gonzo" stuff and things that were previously on the fringe of porn are basically sick. When I bring it up to people I know I usually get the sarcastic, "Ok Mr. altar boy." That's right, and proud of it.
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Mister Biggles
06:52 PM on 04/10/2010
OK, Mr. Altar Boy,

I think you should have bigger sex scandal worries.

I'd worry a lot less about what adults watch and a lot MORE about young boys being abused at the altar.
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David Ramirez
06:12 PM on 04/11/2010
Mr. Giggles, the altar boy analogy wasn't meant in a literal sense, my friends use it in a sarcastic way, as in Mr. Goody-two-shoes. Get it now.
11:03 AM on 04/10/2010
I would swear that the women's movement was completely dead if it weren't for the incredible lives of freedom, choice and power that all my female friends are living.
04:45 AM on 04/10/2010
Read and understood, Mr. Katz. As you suggested, there are those who took your critique as an attack on porn in general and have popped in to defend their fair mistress.

I took the time to read your bio and I applaud your work against violence.
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writerjohnny
02:21 PM on 04/10/2010
Let me help you understand my "attack" on the Katz blog regarding my "fair mistress". His central theme, you know, that "porn" has "profoundly influenced" Tiger Woods and our culture in an extremely negative way is completely wrong. Add to that his diagnosis of a person he's never even met let alone treated is at least a faulty basis for hyperbole and probably just plain irresponsible. Porn is and always has been(well at least for the last 32,000 years) a symptom and an expression and not even close to the cause of anything. Women as second class citizens, the subjugation of women and violence against women are all on the wane and will eventually disappear as all societies slowly and progressively evolve but it won't have anything to do with some ability to control "porn". I suggest reading history instead of bios when forming opinions.
07:07 PM on 04/10/2010
Thanks for helping me to understand your "attack" on the Katz blog; I hadn't read your earlier comments.
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writerjohnny
12:43 AM on 04/10/2010
A porn scholar? Your friend and colleague is selling a book and you're available to pimp it for her here at outrageous headline central. "Porn" has been freely available to humans of ALL ages since the beginning of recorded human history. As in pictures on cave walls depicting sex. As in Hieroglyphics on walls depicting orgies. And let's not forget "porn" as a live, performance art experienced by EVERYONE living in close communal environments. It's only since the surge of imperial punitive catholicism and general manipulative fundamentalism that the depiction and even the idea of sex has been derided and outlawed. The only hijacking going on is by those believing in their infallibility working to control everyone who doesn't see the world their way. Or by those who with to use the nitwits who believe the religious babble to protect their power and the status quo. Seriously, if you want to interview a "porn scholar" talk to any male human in the universe.
07:14 PM on 04/10/2010
Ms. Dines is a Professor of Sociologist who, among other things, studies the effects of pornography on various cultures, as Mr. Katz should have written.
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Mister Biggles
10:13 PM on 04/09/2010
I find "chick flicks" to be objectifying and degrading. They portray an image of men I'm not interested in conforming to...

Should we make people aware of the dangers of these films, as well?

I guess all of the women who asked me to get rougher were brainwashed by porn, too?
09:14 AM on 04/12/2010
No, their stepfathers.
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Mister Biggles
09:23 AM on 04/12/2010
Yeah...they did reek of Old Spice.
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Chris Cody
08:52 PM on 04/09/2010
I thought Adam Carolla was the porn scholar. . . maybe Katz should run this by him.
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Mister Biggles
03:25 PM on 04/11/2010
I thought Richard Christy was the porn scholar...when did Adam lay claim to it?
02:06 PM on 04/09/2010
I’m sorry I can’t get past the first paragraph. The author doesn’t have credentials as a participant in the porn industry. You must have at least participated in the porn industry in order for me to consider you an expert in this area. Otherwise your just and arm chair scholar.

This article is really about porn bashing, not about the fact that people lie about who they’re having romantic and sexual liaisons with.

It’s the lying and the cultural of acceptance of dishonesty that lead us into invading Iraq, not porn.

Go back to school. Oh that’s right, those places are under state control and full of bullies.
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Chris Cody
08:49 PM on 04/09/2010
She has some interesting and unfortunate interpretations of porn. I have viewed interracial porn and have not seen it as violent. Yes, the guys are big, but it is pleasure not violence that it is about. Yes, there are niches of porn that I find repulsive and unattractive, but don't put it all in the same category. Porn can be educating and liberating for many healthy people.
My concern for Tiger is that due to pressures from the Puritanical culture and the media fueling it, is that he is going to repress his sexual needs and once again start to act upon them inappropriately. And of course, the media will swoop in on him.