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The Rules Redux: How To Be Engaged By Christmas

Posted: 11/16/2009 1:11 pm

What does the girl who’s been happily dating her boyfriend for several months really want for Christmas this year?

 

An engagement ring.

 

Christmas music and movies have helped stoke seasonal-hopes for happy endings.  Think of the lovers who “face unafraid, the plans that [they] made, while walking in a Winter Wonderland.”  Or Miracle on 34th Street, in which Santa helps shepherd a couple to marriage plans over the holidays.

 

That isn’t to suggest that such aspirations for a Christmas or Hanukkah or New Year’s engagement are culturally contrived.  To the contrary, NOTHING could be more natural than for a woman in love with hopes for marriage and possibly children to wish to see her dreams reciprocated during a season centering around family, tradition, and reflections on the year behind and that ahead.

 

I’m not talking about a movie timeline, like the one referenced above, where Maureen O’Hara meets her handsome neighbor on Thanksgiving and he pops the question on Christmas Day.  I’m talking about the couple that’s been happily dating for at least nine months, that is in an exclusive relationship, in which the man has unambiguously declared his love, and at least hinted at his intentions for the future.

 

The weeks and months leading up to engagement may sound like an ideal, shining time for a woman – and in many ways it is: you’ve moved beyond the awkwardness of early dating to greater intimacy, security and trust.  But as I can attest from my coaching practice, it can also be an incredibly nerve-wracking time as well!  You’re doing your darnedest to practice patience, keep things light and focus on the present, and yet all these feelings of doubt, ambivalence and even resentment keep bubbling up – particularly if you’ve been dating for over a year, or even years, plural!

 

Why?  Well, because something is awry in the balance of your relationship.  Your boyfriend – whom you dearly love – appears to be getting most, if not all, of his needs met.  He’s got a lover, a committed girlfriend, and possibly even a faux-wife if you’ve fallen into the error of acting like you were married – e.g. cooking for him, spending too much time with him, letting him see you whenever he wants, keeping clothes at his place, etc.  In fact, he might be happy with this arrangement for years.  I mean, why not?

 

But what about you?  Are you getting all of your needs yet?  My hunch is “no,” otherwise you probably wouldn’t be reading this blog.  Maybe you’d like to have children one day – and if he’s not going to end up being the father, you might want to make other plans.  Maybe you’re thinking of a career switch or geographic move, and don’t want to keep putting your life on hold while he makes up his mind.  Or maybe you’re just tired of seeing all your friends getting engaged and married around you – and wondering why your boyfriend seems assiduously dedicated to not noticing the trend.

 

So what can you do?  Here are few pointers:

 

1)      Check your timing.  When it comes to fumbling your part of the engagement process, the mistakes women make fall into one of two categories.  They either bring up marriage too early (in the first few months of dating) – scaring men away -- or let the issue slide for years as their frustration and despair grows.  In a recent seminar in London, The Rules authors Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider told their audience that it’s okay to ask where things are going about seven months into the relationship.  In the “ideal” Rules timeline, he proposes after nine months.  Certainly by a year you should know whether he plans to marry you or not.

 

2)      Inventory the relationship.  Who initiated the relationship?  If you met on-line, did you respond to his ad – or vice versa?  Who’s done most of the contacting?  Has he said he loved you, and asked for exclusivity?    Obviously not all relationships are headed toward marriage – however long they may have lasted.  But if he was the pursuer, and you’ve done him the honor of letting him retain that role throughout the courtship, then your odds of engagement are vastly better than if you picked him up, called him, asked him out, etc.

 

3)      Stop making excuses for him – as in “he’s still scarred by his first marriage,” or “he’s under too much pressure at work,” or he can’t commit because of childhood trauma, and other such mind games.   Also, don’t let him snooker you into pretending that marriage isn’t important or doesn’t matter IF it IS important to YOU and DOES matter to YOU.  In He’s Just Not That Into You, Greg Behrendt and Liz Tuccillo argue that “Love cures commitment-phobia”:

 

“Every man you have ever dated who has said he doesn’t want to get married or doesn’t believe in marriage or has ‘issues’ with marriage, will, rest assured, someday be married.  It will just never be with you.  Because he’s not really saying he doesn’t want to get married.  He’s saying he doesn’t want to get married to you.”

 

Harsh – but liberating truth – which, the sooner you accept, the sooner you’ll be able to move out from under the deadweight of a potentially going-nowhere relationship so that your real future husband can find you!

 

4)      Scale back on togetherness.  Of course you want to be with him day in and day out – that’s why you want to get married!  But if you’re with him all or even most of the time, you’ve robbed him of any incentive to move things forward.  Ellen and Sherrie say it best in The Rules II:

 

“In general, the way to get a man to ask you to marry him in a reasonable amount of time is not to live with him before you’re engaged or married and to continue to see him only three times a week, even though by this time you want to be inseparable.  If that doesn’t work, you may have to shake things up a little bit – go away for a weekend with a girlfriend, cancel a Saturday night date, get very busy at work, mention that you are renewing your apartment lease, and be mysterious about your activities.  All of the above should make him anxious to propose.”

 

5) Set some internal deadlines.  How long do you want to date your boyfriend without being engaged?  While I mention that he should know where this is going after a year, maybe you’re not marriage-minded yet – or are still reeling from a divorce.  Once you HAVE decided that you want to marry him, set in mind a month when you’d like to aim for resolution.  At that point it’s perfectly okay for you to ask him his intentions.  He doesn’t need to respond with a proposal – but if you don’t get a clear sense that he’s either planning something or seriously thinking in that direction, you need to be prepared to walk.

 

Even if you’re in the somewhat early stages of dating – nowhere near where you should be talking about marriage – the holidays DO provide an ideal time to look for signs of whether the man you’re seeing is serious about you.  Does he give you a romantic – or practical gift?  The man who gives you inexpensive lingerie from T.J. Maxx is more likely to end up proposing than the one who gives you an expensive cashmere scarf from Loro Piana.  Does make plans in advance for New Year’s Eve?  Does he include you in family gatherings?  Does he talk about what you’ll be doing “next year”?  Does he want to be with you, even when you’ve come down with the seasonal flu?  If he’s making you feel warm and cozy this winter – then there could yet be time to plan a June wedding.  But if you’re feeling a bit drafty, then maybe multi-dating should be on your list of New Year’s Resolutions.

 

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08:18 AM on 11/18/2009
Personally, I think if both spouses are promiscuous, and using sex-trade workers, the kids should go to the one who has the best taste in music.
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10:45 AM on 11/18/2009
that one goes in the script. you're hired.
11:25 AM on 11/18/2009
Gee— thanks, Samuel. :)
05:44 AM on 11/18/2009
Why are men hesitant to get married?
The odds are 50% that your marriage will end in divorce. The odds are 70% that your divorce will be filed by your wife. The odds are 80% that your wife will get custody of the children-plus child support, alimony, and/or a hefty chunk of the property, no fault divorce laws only look at the assets.
If your wages are not withheld and you fail to pay your child support, the State will garnish your pay, slap liens on your property, intercept your tax refunds, report you to credit agencies, discontinue your driver's license, suspend your professional and business permits, hold you in contempt of court, put your face on a wanted poster, throw you in jail, and deny you food stamps. But if your ex doesn't spend that very same support on the children, the State will do. . . nothing.
There is also imputed income. This means that your child support will be based not on what your children need, not on what you earn, but on what the court decides you could earn.
Regarding the children, the ex may simply move with the children to a distant community with her new husband, with the law's acquiescence.
I think if the laws were fair and balance, more men would be willing to get married. But too many men know the reality of the situation and it just isn't worth the risk.
08:15 AM on 11/18/2009
A lot of these trends were seeded in a time when it was fashionable for women's "libbers" to play the victim due to the success of films such as "Cramer V.S. Cramer" in the '70's. This happened simultaneously with the release of mainstream pornography as, presumably, this was intended to shake up the population from it's roots; the family structure.

Today, we have a class of top professional women who use prostitutes and have never washed a dish or ironed a shirt in their lives. They leave all of their "surplus labor" to the Chinese. They've also handed over the most fundamental aspects of international security, medical security, and education to the Chinese; perhaps unwittingly, because it allowed them an ever increasing sense of personal luxury.

We now live in a society where everything, including the sanctity of marriage, is *disposable*, under the hand of autocrats who feel they are above Church, State and God; expressing flagrant anti-competition methods, and attempting to murder fellow citizens for having alternate opinions. _How_ is this better than the Feudal System?!
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11:14 AM on 12/17/2009
We have a WHOLE class of profesh women who use prostitutes and have never in their lives done an minute of housework? And THEY have handed over "fundamental" aspects of international security and education? Friend, what are you smoking and what top class, hooker using, national security threat made you so bitter? I like having a cup of crazy in the morning to get me motivated, but maybe you're just being very sarcastic, in which case, ha ha.
11:48 PM on 11/18/2009
Excellent post. It should be required reading for all men considering marriage after nine months of dating (or less).

Guys, if the girl starts playing 'mind games' with you, that's your cue to exit the relationship. However, if she is straightforward with you and asks you directly where the relationship is heading, you owe her an honest answer.
12:52 AM on 11/18/2009
"A bachelor is a selfish, undeserving guy who has cheated some poor woman out of a divorce" - Don Quinn

The reasons why men are cautious about getting married vary but one of the biggest reasons is the divorce legislation in the US. If you marry someone you don't really know (and I'm not sure it is possible to really get to know someone in only nine months seeing her all of three times a week if she follows the instructions), you just might end up being an ATM for your ex-wife. A man needs to be especially careful if he has a successful career and earns a lot of money. I'm not saying that women get married with a divorce in mind but they certainly have a (financially) comfortable way out, especially if the couple has kids and provided that the husband earns a lot of money.

For this reason, I don't think any man should take marriage lightly as they are almost certainly going to be left holding the short end of the stick should the marriage fail, and there is very little he can do about it. It is a sad state of affairs but that is just the way it is.
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04:34 PM on 11/17/2009
If a woman feels she needs to be engaged after nine months of knowing someone she is the one with "issues" about marriage and should probably be utilizing the services of a therapist rather than a "dating coach". If you need a "dating coach" it means you pretty much fail at life. Living with someone for nine months isn't enough time to know if you should marry, let alone just dating them for that long.

My wife and I dated for a year before we moved in together and lived together for another three years before we got married. During that time we went through some rough patches in our relationship that honestly could have gone either way. We made it though because we both knew that if it was really that bad we could just call it off and walk away. If we had felt trapped in a marriage at that point and especially if we had children it most certainly would have destroyed our relationship and ruined a young child's life. When we did get married it was because we knew we loved each other, were committed to each other and that our relationship was strong enough to make it through whatever may come. When it was time WE made the decision to get married TOGETHER (you know, the way real committed couples do things) and three weeks later we were married. Now with another four years behind us and a beautiful daughter together we haven't looked back.
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04:53 PM on 11/17/2009
To put it another way that might be easier to understand: Would you ever buy a pair of shoes without having tried them on first, let alone commit to wearing that pair of shoes every day for the rest of your life. Of Course not, because you would most likely end up having wasted you time, effort, money and on top of all that your feet would hurt. If you wouldn't buy a pair of shoes that way, why would you make one of the most important decisions of your life that way?
11:58 PM on 11/17/2009
Yeah I hear you, Max, BMW— that whole "woman" / "shoe" analogy really does it for me. It's so perceptive about the submissive role women take on in their relationships of the species by nature of their inferior birth order. (That was sarcasm, if anyone cares).
03:44 PM on 11/17/2009
I realize the comments so far have been around marriage and committment (by the guy) but the inference of the article is the desire for engagement over the holidays. Having been married for 20 plus years, I would caution another fellow to be careful equating the holidays with significant gifts. It leads to unrealistic expectations for the future.

You don't want to be on the hook for expensive and extravagant gifts every Christmas because you started your marriage out with a big ring on that initial occasion. It would be better to pop the question out of the blue, under a pine tree, on Arbor Day, say, then to let your girl think that shiny objects on Christmas are the norm. Just saying, word to the wise.
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03:00 PM on 11/17/2009
Marriage after 9 MONTHS? Don't live together before getting married? I can't imagine worse advice. How are you supposed to know anything about a person hanging out 3 nights a week and being "mysterious" with your personal time? How are you supposed to learn the true nature of the person you're committing your life to? Fights go much differently when you can't just escape back to your respective apartments and wait until you miss each other. Why is it better to hide the worst until after marriage, only to find out you can't stand one another?

If your sole purpose in life is to get married, um go for it. If you're unfulfilled, obviously, move on with your life. Incompatible goals? By all means, break up. But why center such an important decision on an arbitrary deadline, or worse, peer pressure from friends? Why trick men into being impulsive? I don't get it.
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03:16 PM on 11/17/2009
I'm with you on the whole 9 months and living together before marriage, etc... but is it really "tricking" him into it if we just ask that he come to a decision some time this decade? I mean, we have things that stop working at a certain point unlike men who can knock a chick up when he's at the tender age of 65!
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04:22 PM on 11/17/2009
I was referring to the suggestion to pretend to be much busier than you are, or mention resigning a lease just to cause some sort of insecurity in the man. I think it's really important that 2 people be on the same page about marriage. Not all men are pushing things off as long as possible, some have real and honorable reasons for waiting. The mentality of the author is unfair to men, and rather self-serving.
04:34 PM on 11/17/2009
I co-habitated for 4 years with my first husband when I was 19, and I can tell you that if I'd had the sort of family support I would have wished for, I would never have done it. I did it for survival, and it was by no means suitable or enjoyed in any event. There is a certain protocol in any successful marriage with long-term shared goals, and it is critical to be building trust and acquaintance during the courting stage. Visits can give one a fairly solid impression of the potential spouse's circumstances, habits, etc…, and arguments are not something to plan a life around. Maturity will resolve such minor considerations as these. Risks are always mitigated, but the rewards must be held in more esteem than trivialities and emotional impulses if there is to be a solid marital foundation.
02:13 PM on 11/17/2009
Women, there are a lot of things that men think of when considering marrying a woman. From our perspective, you all just say "hey I want to get married. Let's make it happen.". For a man we have certain expectations of ourselves before we can marry someone. What I mean by this is am I able to be the husband that I and she wants me to be. Can I provide for her? things of this nature...
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03:13 PM on 11/17/2009
Well, I guess I'll just fool myself into thinking this is my mans problem, too!
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josholland
05:35 PM on 11/17/2009
Women are biologically inclined to seek a life partner and raise offspring, men can't buy headphones without spending 5 hours on CNET. Just make sure your goals are the same.
03:32 PM on 11/17/2009
Speak for yourself. I never gave it a second thought and proposed at the right moment (when it occurred to me). We have been merrily (marriedly) winging it for the last 25 years..
04:06 PM on 11/17/2009
I'm not saying that men have second thoughts. I'm saying that its a different experience for men and women overall.
02:13 PM on 11/17/2009
Many women even in these enlightened times are looking for a committed partner at some point in their lives. That's not saying every woman has the same idea for what that commitment looks like, or that we don't want to be successful in a career. For a lot of women serious commitment means marriage. There is a real fear for many women that as we get older we'll have less of a chance of finding a partner for that commitment, that children might not be a possibility unless we go it alone, and that we'll reach middle age and into old age alone. If you're someone who doesn't see it that way, great! But understand that some women have different values, and that doesn't make them all stuck in the 1950's, victims of a sexist construct.

These days finding out if your partner wants to marry you is a serious issue. In yesteryear there was less anxiety because men were expected to want to get married. These days the benefits of getting married for a lot of guys is can be negligible. Maybe they live with their partners already, or they have a good thing going with a girl who they see a few times a week and is always there for them. There is nothing wrong with being honest with a partner about what your needs are. If you find they don't match up, making a decision to either move on or wait and see isn't manipulation.
03:04 PM on 11/17/2009
Well said, Radical Jesus! When did being a modern woman mean choosing career over love, family and marriage? Tossing out marriage to forsake the sexism that held women back in education and holding a career (in the often-cited 1950's) is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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11:46 PM on 11/17/2009
Finally! Thank you, Radical Jesus. There's nothing "feminist" about a woman suppressing her deep desire for the ultimate commitment, and children, because it's more convenient for a man to enjoy the benefits of marriage without the responsibilities. If some women don't want it, that's fine -- but there are many who do, but are being browbeaten into accepting less.
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11:04 AM on 11/18/2009
the benefits of marriage...which are....?

i mean i know well the dangers of marriage. but the benefits again? seems like these days the spectre of matrimony and all the expectations, the social worship of young/single life, the stigma of getting old, the social marginalization that comes with the whole deal, i am starting to agree more and more with these hip new couples that forswear marriage and instead go for true love and have families and lives and more. And neither sees it as him getting the milk without buying the cow because they don't think of each other as livestock..well..they probably have their troubles too. We're all human. This marriage thing is being ruined by all the focused attention and pressure and responsibility attached to it and placed on the idea itself. Like civilization depends on it, and like it will hold us all together and maintain the race. Look around. It's wigging us out.

So until we fix the institution of marriage, which seems to ruin more lives than anything, even for the ones who stay together with miserable dysfunctional families, maybe thinking up new mindgames to help get you legally attached to the dude you met 6 months ago..i dunno...if it helps.
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02:10 PM on 11/17/2009
some folks aren't very romantic about marriage.

i had a co-worker that after seriously dating for 5 yrs they thought they should "sh#t of get off the pot"... they decided to "sh#t" and got married. i was a little horrified to hear her tell that story over and over to co-workers and clients. most people found it funny, though.

they never struck me as in love and i don't think she was aching to get married. it was just sort of expected by their families.

so i understand this article. everyone is different. some people are very personal and emotional about marriage... and some others see it closer to obligation or a business contract.
02:06 PM on 11/17/2009
Since when did HuffPo become old fashioned and backward? You might as well add that he won't buy the cow if you give away the milk for free!
I was curious about this article because I became engaged at Christmas time three years ago (after two years of dating and three years of living together - something I highly recommend to those who are leaning that way!). Personally, I wasn't ready to be engaged earlier because I was only 21 when I met my husband. When I was ready, I discussed how I felt with him and he shared his feelings and dreams for the future with me. I did not have to use any manipulative tactics to convince him to become engaged because we were both equally committed to the idea of starting a family together.
It is incomprehensible to me that someone would advise a woman to manipulate a man into asking her to marry him after a socially accepted period of time. What kind of foundation is there to a marriage if both partners aren't tremendously committed to the concenpt?
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02:03 PM on 11/17/2009
This is insane. If I wanted a girlfriend who tried to play mind games with me like this, I'd date B.F. Skinner. The minute my girlfriend starts "being mysterious about her activities" or just disappearing unexpectedly, it's over.
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02:00 PM on 11/17/2009
“Every man you have ever dated who has said he doesn’t want to get married or doesn’t believe in marriage or has ‘issues’ with marriage, will, rest assured, someday be married. It will just never be with you. Because he’s not really saying he doesn’t want to get married. He’s saying he doesn’t want to get married to you.â€

i wish i had read THAT 5 years ago... i'm not in that relationship now... but for a few years, i kept striving to be a better partner when really, he was just afraid to commit.
03:34 PM on 11/17/2009
And each woman who says the same thing really wants to be proven wrong with a proposal. Don't fall for that one, fellows.
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01:49 PM on 11/17/2009
Whoa. This article is Cosmo level garbage. Marriage after 9 MONTHS?! Don't live together before getting married?! I can't imagine worse advice. No wonder more than half of marriages end in divorce with expert advice like this. How are you supposed to know anything about a person hanging out 3 nights a week and being "mysterious" with your time? How are you supposed to learn the true nature of the person you're committing your life to? You'd prefer to hide your worst until your man is trapped, and you find out you can't stand one another? Sage advice.

If your sole brainless purpose in life is to get married, um go for it. If you're unfulfilled, yes, move on with your life. Incompatible goals? Duh. But why center such an important decision on an arbitrary deadline, or worse peer pressure from friends? This article reads like a mixture of common sense, bad assumptions, and the ramblings of a paranoid aging egotist.
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01:29 PM on 11/17/2009
Unless you truly believe that marriage is a pointless ritual. If you can't have the commitment before, why do you think you can have it after?

The sooner this fairytale ceremony dies the better.
12:58 PM on 11/17/2009
i think this article is SO important for women. We constantly think and believe that if we hold out a little bit longer he will change his mind and propose. So we continue to waste our time in these dead-end relationships.

After watching my friends desperately hold onto relationships that will never change, I think all women need to create guidelines and stick to them so they can avoid being burned and unhappy in the end.
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11:53 PM on 11/17/2009
Agreed. Let's leave the PC rubbish at the door. Time is woman's most precious non-renewable resource. If a woman wants to spend one, two, three, ten years in limbo without a commitment, fine. But most women aren't fine with that. They invest their life in these relationships, and it's perfectly natural for them to want to know whether it's headed toward marriage or not.