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Fiscal Affairs: Someone Is Wrong in The Times*

Posted: 04/ 6/2012 8:30 pm

James Stewart has doubled down on his infatuation with Paul Ryan. Ryan's budget, he says, is a viable centrist starting point for budget negotiations, and attacks from "left and right" are mere "partisan rhetoric."

This is several different kinds of crazy. First, Stewart repeats his belief that Ryan's plan would increase taxes on investment income. But that belief has no basis other than Stewart's own belief that it would be a good idea. As I pointed out before, Ryan's own budget argues against raising taxes on capital gains and dividends. The only thing Stewart can find is Ryan's apple-pie platitudes about the need for tax reform. But Ryan's own vision of tax reform, as evidenced by his budget's own words, doesn't include higher capital gains taxes. (In addition, as a signatory to the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, Ryan is sworn to "oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rate for individuals and business." That sounds to me like it includes the capital gains tax rate, which is a marginal income rate.) This is further evidence of columnists' ability to project their own fantasies onto Paul Ryan's handsome face.

More generally, Stewart pins high hopes on Ryan's embrace of tax reform. But all Ryan's budget actually says about tax reform can be summed up in two points: tax reform is good; and tax rates should be lower (25 percent for the top individual rate and for the top corporate rate, both down from 35 percent today). This of course allows credulous people to see themselves in Paul's blue eyes (see above). But if you want a serious starting point for tax reform, you should look at Simpson-Bowles or Domenici-Rivlin, both of which spelled out actual tax expenditures they would close (or Feldstein, Feenberg, and MacGuineas, or White House Burning, or any one of many other policy proposals that do the same). Ryan's "tax reform" is nothing more than a few talking points designed to score political points (why else would you specify the lower tax rates but not the closed loopholes), not a starting point for anything.

Stewart also plays the "centrist" card with unprecedented aggressiveness. He cites attacks by the Club for Growth as proof of Ryan's reasonableness. But when it comes to military spending, the Club for Growth isn't attacking Ryan from the right; it's attacking him from the left. Democrats want to reduce military spending as a share of GDP; so does every bipartisan deficit reduction panel; so does the Club for Growth (which thinks that the automatic spending cuts in the Budget Control Act should be respected). Ryan, by undoing the automatic spending cuts to preserve defense spending, is to the right of the budget debate, not in the center. In other words, everyone knows that if you want to reduce the deficit you have to cut defense spending--except Paul Ryan and James Stewart.

Then there's Medicare, one of the few areas where Ryan is willing to spell out his cost-cutting proposals. For Stewart, this shows that Ryan is a brave warrior against entitlement spending. But simply tackling entitlement spending doesn't make you reasonable, centrist, or worth listening to; everyone who talks about the deficit talks about tackling entitlement spending. (Even Simon and I do, although our entitlement cuts are smaller than most other people's.) It's the actual proposal that matters. And Ryan's proposal is only one step from the far-right fringe--that's the step he walked back since last year.

Last year he was going to convert Medicare into a voucher program where you could use your voucher toward insurance from a private company, but the value of the voucher was artificially capped so it would buy less and less health care over time. This year the only difference is that now you can buy insurance from a private company or from traditional Medicare. But in either case, the important points are: (a) the vouchers are designed to grow more slowly than the cost of health care, meaning a huge transfer of cost and risk from the government to individuals; and (b) reliance on the private market to reduce costs and improve outcomes (something it's failed at dismally for the last forty years). Having a Medicare plan shouldn't win you any points; it's what's in the plan that matters. At least for most of us.

This inattention to actual policy is how Stewart can think that "within the Ryan budget proposal is the outline of a grand compromise not all that different from the one President Obama and the House majority leader, John Boehner, reportedly came close to reaching last summer: long-term deficit reduction through tax reform, higher tax revenue and spending cuts." Well, yes, if you're going to stick to the level of abstract generalities, I guess the Ryan budget is similar to the Obama-Boehner deal in that both included tax reform and spending cuts.

In practice, though, the Obama-Boehner deal was nothing like the Ryan budget. We know the tax reform was completely different because Boehner was offering higher tax revenues that were not entirely due to supply-side fantasies. Ryan only achieves higher tax revenues by dictating that his plan will bring in 19 percent of GDP in tax revenue; nowhere does he say how we would actually achieve this while slashing tax rates. We also know the spending cuts were completely different, because Obama-Boehner did not convert Medicare to a voucher system (they did include spending cuts, but they kept the same benefit structure), while Ryan does.

Finally, here's one more way to think about the Ryan budget:

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This picture shows all government spending except for Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Social Security, and net interest. (The data are from Tables 1.1, 1.2, 3.1, and 8.5 of the OMB's 2012 budget, historical tables.) It's a close approximation for discretionary spending, and it's what the CBO uses in its long-term projections. The Ryan Budget would reduce spending on everything except Social Security and health care to the lowest levels since before the Great Depression.

Furthermore, those numbers include defense spending. Since Ryan's budget proposes to protect military spending from the automatic cuts in the Budget Control Act, I think it's fair to assume that he won't want to cut defense spending to historical lows. Since World War II, defense spending has never fallen below 3.0 percent of GDP. Assuming that defense spending never falls below that level, you get this picture:

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This is a blatant assault on the entire federal government except for health care, Social Security, and defense. This is not a courageous, centrist starting point for a real deficit solution.

* See XKCD.

James Kwak is the co-author of White House Burning: The Founding Fathers, Our National Debt, and Why It Matters To You, available from April 3rd. This post is cross-posted from The Baseline Scenario. Read more from the Fiscal Affairs series here.

 
 
 

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04:34 AM on 04/09/2012
The Myth of the "1%" has got to stop. Guess what people on all sides of the isle, the "1%" has been around since man walked the earth. Back then he was most likely the biggest meanest hunger of the group and his payment was meat and a supply of baby mamas.

The 1% was there when the Huns rules over Asia, when the Romans ruled everything else. When all that came crashing down, there were still the 1%. When our economy was strong and thriving, yup we had the 1%. When I was paying $.79 for a gallon of gas, and I am not that old, yup we had the 1%. I don't care about the 1%, I care about my family. It is also been said if we were to tax the "1%" 100% of everything they earn, we still would be in debt.

The "1%" are this last decade's boogeymen and a nice way to dodge the issues that our government as a whole is broken and self serving. The real issue it seems is one small collective body is so far out of touch with the people it governs that unless basic fundamental changes are made to it we will continue to decline. We are to big and to numerous of a nation for this one size fits all policy making in regards to the states. In some cases it works, but not in most of the entitlement and economical policies.
12:12 PM on 04/09/2012
Of course the one percenters paid much higher tax rates years ago. And we spent less and came closer to a balanced budget tha we do today. So let us agree that until we cut spending dramatically there will be no further tax cut legislation benefitting ANY of us. This includes letting the Bush tax cuts, which were never matched with spending cuts, expire. Redistributing our grandchildren's wealth is worse than asking the one percenters or all of us to pay more.
03:43 PM on 04/09/2012
Oh I agree. We need higher taxes and much fewer entitlements. In regards to the Bush tax cuts is yet another perfect example of broken government. If I remember correctly, they were suppose to be a short term stimulus, that became the new policy being voted in expiration after expiration. I would like to have seen data of what we could have been with hind sight being much clear than telling the future if we never extended them past the inital program.

I am conservative, not a tea party and once Republician which I belive left those roots long ago. But I also think most of us in this country are conservatives in our daily lives and our personal fianances. I can't figure out why we put blinders on to common sense when it comes to government spending other than it is easier to spend other people's money verses out own. No somewhat intellegent person would run their home budgets like the way we allow our government run our national budget, it would be beyond foolish. Yet we continue to champion it and even push beyond.
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08:46 PM on 04/08/2012
These graphs look familiar to the ones representing the republican party's future.
01:24 PM on 04/09/2012
I've been hoping for the GOP demise for decades, yet they still exist because working class people continue to support their retoric. I do "fan" you for your optimism.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
04:29 PM on 04/08/2012
And the Paul Ryan/GOP plan STILL doesn't balance the budget for TWENTY EIGHT YEARS! And in the first ten years it STILL brings our National Debt to over $20 trillion and only adds about 15% less to the Debt than the President's proposed budget (which gets us to around $23 trillion by 2023). So in return for basically setting the foundation for ending Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPs, and many other social safety net programs (which is undeniably the long term plan of Republicans) while at the same time giving trillions in tax cuts and increasing military spending, we MIGHT save $2-3 trillion over ten years. And I say "might" because those savings will ONLY occur if Ryan and the GOP can come up with about $6 trillion in "tax reforms"/revenue increases. And that seems rather unlikely as long as Republicans remain loyal to Grover Norquist and his pledge they've all signed to never, EVER, under ANY circumstances agree to a "net tax increase". Just where do you think they are going to be able to com up with $6 trillion in net revenue increases? Even if they use "dynamic scoring" (which is a total joke/"smoke and mirrors" accounting trick) that number seems like a complete fantasy....or more like a nightmare for the poor and middle class of America..
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flacpa
A liberal CPA? Go figure
04:28 PM on 04/08/2012
To Paraphrase "You lost me at centrist"
This is only centrist if you mean somewhere between Louis XIV & Marquis de Sade!
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TexasBahr
act as you would like to be treated
02:36 PM on 04/08/2012
I could not agree more with the articles content.
I would; however, add that the Presidents Jobs bill, if implemented, would have kick started the economy more than any other plan. When the government pays to repair/replace our infrastructure a significant amount of 'support' businesses are also 'energized' and new hiring takes place to support the higher demand. Sure, that program would be finite but the impetus of working individuals usually breeds new opportunities and they keep building on one another.
03:58 PM on 04/09/2012
I am sorry, but this type of thinking as a whole is partly to blame to the current state of things. Time and time again our leaders have made these comments, and as far as I know these wide spread "future predictions" should not be the main way we set policy verses designing policy passed off time after time proven methods. In our case to get back on track the basic concept of spend less take more in in a best by far way to recover. So yes increase taxes, if you want to tax the "1%" 60% do it, but you have to tax the poor as well even if it is just 5% they have to share the burden. Being poor is not an excuse to add to the nation' coffers. Also, clearly and so documentment flaws and weaknesses in entitlement programs can't conintue to go unresolved. Medicare, SS and so on are broken. I am not saying something along their lines are not needed, but they have grown into "too big to fail" but the fact it they fail time and time again. Sometimes and things need to be scrapped and complete re worked. This is one of those times.
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
09:36 AM on 04/08/2012
USA Economy is weak..............messing with Citizen Incomes/Tax Increases is the Kiss of
Death to Economic Growth !

DEMS do not believe it...................even though $ 5.00 Gas has proved it.

NY Times sells the Karl Marx vision of Society................they have to, that's NY.
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susiewatusi
Dancing around words daily...
10:23 AM on 04/08/2012
Why do you find it necessary to call other Americans Marxists? There is a saying that goes something like this: Once you've resorted to name calling, you've lost your argument. Just a thought.
11:59 AM on 04/08/2012
If high gas prices supposedly represent a Karl Marx type of economy, why are the gas prices in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela so low?

Hugo is not exactly a rightwinger.

You ought to get your head out of your a**.
01:11 PM on 04/11/2012
I thought Conservatives believed in the free market. Therefore Gas & OIl Companies should be free to charge anything they want for their refined fuel and they actually are getting what the market will pay. Funny how a Conservative doesn't follow his own rationale when it starts to hit his own pocket!
11:36 PM on 04/07/2012
There should be no new tax cut legislation, including legislation to extend the Bush tax cuts for any of us, until spending is reduced dramatically. With the threat of a return to pre-Bush tax rates maybe the Congress would find needed spending cuts. Otherwise we need the added revenue from the old tax rates in order to reduce our reliance on debt and chronic redistribution of our grandchildren's wealth.
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Ryan Kenneth Leddy
Facts have a liberal bias.
05:47 AM on 04/08/2012
Here is the thing: Non-defense discretionary spending levels have remained virtually identical to spending levels in 2001 when adjusted for population growth and inflation. On the other hand, defense spending has increased 81% since 2001 and have grown from 3.1% of the GDP to 4.8% of the GDP. Defense Secretary Pannetta has recommended $487 billion in cuts over the next decade. The problem is, these cuts are based on projected growth over the next decade which meaning defense spending levels will remain virtually the same over the next decade. It's a start, but not nearly enough, especially with Iraq over and Afghanistan coming to a close. Previous post-war defense spending draw-downs have been much more stark. Eisenhower cut defense spending 27% after the Korean war, Nixon reduced spending by 29% after Vietnam, and the trio of Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton reduced defense spending by 35% after the end of the cold war.

I just refuse to cut spending on our failing education system, crumbling infrastructure, and social safety-net while our defense spending remains so bloated. I also refuse to cut spending on these vital programs instead of continuing outdated farm, oil, and gas subsidy payments. I refuse to cut back social security benefits or raise premiums on medicare while EVEN IF THE BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE, MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES WILL STILL ONLY PAY A 20% TAX RATE.
calypso54
Illegitimi non carborundum
06:51 AM on 04/08/2012
Let the Navy have bake sales-- it's what the schools have had to do for years. No child left behind (but let's not fund the law) Well, how's that working out.
07:59 AM on 04/08/2012
First, excellent post. Second, defense spending will drop more based on the sequester that I expect. Third that will not be enough to justify any new tax cuts. Thus my final point, without cuts elsewhere, then we cannot afford any new tax cuts, for any of us. Like you I feel education and health should not be cut although I would happily accept any savings from efficiencies or technology.
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Chris1962
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11:10 PM on 04/07/2012
>>>But Ryan's own vision of tax reform, as evidenced by his budget's own words, doesn't include higher capital gains taxes.>>>

Why on earth would someone want to raise capital gains taxes (i.e., a tax on top of a tax) in this rotten economy? Liberals prove, once again, that they don't know the first thing about inspiring business to expand and HIRE.
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Ryan Kenneth Leddy
Facts have a liberal bias.
06:27 AM on 04/08/2012
Among the top 1%, 86.2% of people reaped some form of investment income, and the amounts were hardly chicken feed -- an average of $362,682.

The 0.1%, the super-rich, whose entry point is $1.6 million. On average, 94.5% of this group got some portion of its money from investments. And these investments paid well: The average take in 2011 was $2,275,145.

During Clinton's first term, the long-term capital gains tax rate was 28%. The rate on dividends was the same as income, which for the those in the top-income tax bracket was 39.6%. Today, the rate is 15% for both. Oddly enough, during Clinton's first term 11.5 million new jobs were created. During his second term, another 11 million jobs were created with capital gains at 20% and dividends being taxed as income (still 39.6% for top earners). During Reagan second term, over 10 million jobs were added to the economy. The rate on both capital gains and dividends was at 28%.

So, in conclusion, higher tax rates on capital gains do not stunt job growth. In fact, it would seem it does the exact opposite.

But, don't look so sad! When have pesky facts or numbers ever gotten in the way of Republican belief?
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Chris1962
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10:43 AM on 04/08/2012
What's with the Left forever jumping into the WayBack Machine to compare yesteryear's economies to this one? Clinton's booming economy is not the same as Obama's. This is an economy that's struggling to recover, with business owners who need impetus to expand and hire. Do liberals REALLY feel that taking money away from job creators, through taxes and pricely regulations, inspires them to spend? I don't know how you folks always manage to get everything bass-akwards, but somehow you always do.
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Bataan
11:54 AM on 04/08/2012
Well said. F/F.
SwordOrShield
Software Engineer, Wonk
09:52 AM on 04/08/2012
The kind of businesses that run on capital gains are speculating Wall Street firms who don't have an interest in growing companies so much as flipping a short-term profit. This kind of behavior is EXTREMELY risky for no overall social benefit; they don't produce a goddamn thing. They only help their own employees, and screw over the rest of America.

You prove that you know nothing about the economy. Businesses don't want to expand and hire because nobody can afford what they're selling - because they're broke from having no raises, no jobs, no income! The problem isn't 'we have too much taxes' for the 70% of the economy that's consumers, it's 'we're broke'.

Meanwhile, at the top - at Wall Street, at big corporations, the execs who pay capital gains on their huge stock options - their problem is that 'we have too much money and not enough to spend it on, so we're stockpiling it'. Go do a few quick google searches on 'record corporate cash'. Pick your sources. It'll be easy to back up.

Hmm. Looks like you're just over-simplifying facts based on an assumption that's bad in the first place.
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Chris1962
NYC
10:36 AM on 04/08/2012
>>>The kind of businesses that run on capital gains are speculating Wall Street firms>>>

That's it? No other companies? No job creators?

And who's talking about ONLY companies that "run on capital gains"?
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Bataan
11:52 AM on 04/08/2012
Well said. F/F
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realsurfin
Pardon me, can you help out a fellow American
09:45 PM on 04/07/2012
The problem with Ryan's Economic experiment as I see it. If it gets rammed through and becomes a total disaster Paul Ryan will not be held accountable. He will be out of office by the time the true ramifications of the program are felt. Now if we held accountable politicians for mismanaging the country we would then get a system that would benefit the poor, the middle class, and the rich and well to do. Until we hold people accountable for their programs we will always get the programs that make a few carpetbaggers rich at the expense of the republic.

Look at what the Bankers and Mortgage lenders did to this country from the private sector? They barely got a slap on the wrist. How many times do we need the private sector to almost ruin the country before the pubic wakes up. How many times must we run huge deficits to bail them out. Taxpayers where is your voice?

Don't blame Obama. Blame the private sector. They brought this one on. and now they are buying the elections with super pacs. They already bought the Supreme Court when the supreme court ruled corporations are people. I agree corporations are people. very rich people at that, Kochs, Waltons come to mind. What this did is lift the limits. If a corporation is a person. fine, but limit them to the 5000 or 10000 tops. For a one time one voting cycle donation.

More to come.

VOTE!
09:10 PM on 04/07/2012
I would suggest that Mr. Stewart read the writings of Any Rand - now Mr. Stewart read them again! Then get familiar with the Norquist no tax increase pledge - read that again also. Then, just then you might be able to fathom the fact that the Ryan budget is a veiled attack on government programs that the poor and middle class depend on. The Ryan budget is a Trojan horse to gut most of our government. This could include food inspection, clean water acts and all kinds of things besides SS and Medicare. I am beginning the have less respect for the NY Times because of writers like Stewart.
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Brian Gilmer
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08:05 PM on 04/07/2012
At the end of the day the Ryan budget preserves the very programs that Republican rail against. It seems that Republicans want to keep "entitlement" programs around so that they can complain about
entitlement programs. If Republicans really don't believe in the programs then they should propose to end them not cripple them to the point where they are not effective.
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
03:53 PM on 04/08/2012
Too disingenuous by far.  I do not respect the bunny.
07:54 PM on 04/07/2012
Investors spend money to make money. That's the idea behind stimulus spending. Cut entitlements to the 1%, not those already below the poverty line. A safety net for the poor is taking the moral high ground.
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07:00 PM on 04/07/2012
As long as the US maintains a worldwide military reach and continues a disasterous costly drug policy I am not willing to concede one nickel of so-called "entitlements" and domestic discretionary spending.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
07:44 PM on 04/07/2012
F&F
06:55 PM on 04/07/2012
Ryan's budget is "viable" and "centrist"??? LMAO. Yeah, no.
06:30 PM on 04/07/2012
Let's do a critical analysis of serious budget proposals from Obama and the Dems. Unfortunately they don't exist. They ran away from Simpson-Bowles and refuse to document any proposals for consideration. They won't even do the most basic of governing.
06:56 PM on 04/07/2012
Yes, actually, they do exist. Obama and the Dems have offered numerous budget proposals. They've all been rejected by the Republicans. But the Republicans publicly stated that their one goal in life was to destroy Obama's presidency, so they say "NO" to everything. Everything.

Get a clue, pal.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
07:45 PM on 04/07/2012
Cite it. Put up a URL
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08:22 PM on 04/07/2012
Obama and the Dems couldn't pass a budget. That's pretty embarrassing. You can't blame the Republicans for that one.
06:59 PM on 04/07/2012
Difficult to do "the most basic of governing" when the opposition party has vowed to destroy the presidency simply because it was won by a Democrat. Your party doesn't appear to understand the concept of democracy.
07:24 AM on 04/08/2012
Do you really believe that tha appalling, cold-eyed and unyielding hatred the fundamental GOT-Party has shown for President Obama is a result of his party, not his race?
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
03:55 PM on 04/08/2012
They understand it.  They just don't like it.