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Justice and Assassination

Posted: 05/03/11 12:41 PM ET

When President Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden, he said "the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden," but very little else regarding the details of that death. Conflicting news reports have created some confusion over the circumstances of the death itself.

Some have suggested that the soldiers conducting the raid were told to accept his surrender, if offered. Others have said the mission was to kill, rather than capture bin Laden. It may take some time to sort out the facts, but many people have seen this as a directed killing of bin Laden, ordered by the president.

A few days earlier, Libya claimed that NATO had killed members of Gaddafi's family in operations that hardly seem related to the imposition of a no-fly zone in Lybia. WikiLeaks has released a number of cables that detail U.S. uses of cruse missiles to kill suspected terrorists in Yemen. The U.S. is expanding its uses of drone aircraft to carry out attacks on homes in civilian neighborhoods, based upon the often incorrect suspicion that a terrorist is present.

With Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and UN head Ban Ki-moon endorsing the "operation," it appears to have support in many quarters. But if this was an operation to kill, rather than capture bin Laden, and if his death was not necessary, but actually ordered, then Limbaugh is correct in calling this an assassination, and it is not a credit to the United States to have carried out an assassination, even of bin Laden.

The killing may have political benefits for President Obama. But the longer term legitimation of assassination is risky, and undermines longer term goals of making society more just and more peaceful. I am disappointed other political leaders cannot say this.


 

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11:35 AM on 05/05/2011
Where are Earth did you get the idea that the long term goals were to make society more just and more peaceful? Profit is the goal. Short and long term. Always has been, always will be.
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waldopepper
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08:13 AM on 05/05/2011
I think that the test of whether Osama should have been killed or not is an easy question to resolve if you use your imagination on a thought experiment.

So imagine that you can bring him back. Would you?
If you said no. Then you can relax at the current state of affairs.
If you said yes, then I would not question your sanity as you may be expecting.
But I would question your judgment. Because if you could reincarnate someone why would you waste it on Osama, instead of one of his many victims from the many countries in which his organization killed people?

Or if you did bring him back, and he then killed more people... See him being dead is not so bad now is it?

Was he assassinated? Depends on how you define assassinate. Doesn't really matter either, as it is a semantic debate.

Is it bad for a country to grow too fond of such killings (whether they be labeled assassinations or not)? Certainly. For mistakes will occur, the wrong person will die, and the bodies of the innocents will pile up.

Will the US grow too fond of 'assassinating' such opponents as Bin Laden in the future?
Let us hope and work toward a global situation in which no more Bin Ladens can arise. That would be the best lesson learned from this portion of our history.
01:42 PM on 05/04/2011
The world would be very different if we had "assasinated" Adolf Hitler in 1939. Would it have been justified? Would have been a good thing?
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Smedley Butler
Exitus in Dubio Est
08:47 PM on 05/04/2011
Interesting example as WW1 was touched off by an assassination and is believed to have created the conditions that allowed Hitler to rise to power.
12:03 PM on 05/04/2011
http://www.fuckthebullshit.net/
11:57 AM on 05/04/2011
The targets matter. It's wrong to shoot a random dog in the street, but it's not wrong to shoot a rabid dog with a history of mauling children. Every second Bin Laden lives he's a clear and present danger to the United States, to our allies, and to civilized people everywhere. He needed to die, as quickly as possible, any way possible. For once, targeted assassination was the correct choice.
11:02 AM on 05/04/2011
it is not a credit to the United States to have carried out an assassination, even of bin Laden.


I think I'm OK with it. In fact I applaud it.
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Seaniebhoy
10:57 AM on 05/04/2011
I think we should reflect on how sad it is that so many attitudes regarding assassanation have hardened so much...I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, but the fact that it has become the equivalent of a national high five is disapointing.
12:59 PM on 05/04/2011
Does anyone under the age of fifty remember street marches in this country? I thought not...but we used to take to the streets to show our favor or disfavor with issus. I think social networks have aroused that interest once again as we have seen citizens in Libya, Iran, etc march for what they believe in ...I think those images have possibly reminded younger Americans who have rarely had the opportunity or sense of activism to do that, that marching for whatever was one of their options.

Bin Laden headed a team that killed 3000 plus Americans without a blink of the eye. He is the wrong person on which to debate the issue of assassination. The 3000 dead ...those who jumped out of 30 stories buildings or felt to their deaths in the rumble that was the twin towers or dive bombed into the ground in Pennsylvania or were sitting at their desks in the Pentagon...that hardens ones view toward the assassination of this person...high fiving is apart of this pop culture. it is what it is...
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Nate35
10:55 AM on 05/04/2011
This is relatively straightforward. To begin with, Osama is not a political figure but the head of an enemy group of enemy combatants. As such, he is a legitimate military target by any definition of the term.

Even if one accepts that he should have been granted some form of protection from killing, the idea that bin Laden would have been prepared to surrender quietly without resistance is fantasy. Only a SEAL with a death wish would hesitate a second between seeing him refuse a order and putting a shot through his eye.
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SanTang
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12:20 PM on 05/04/2011
Not a political figure??? You might be right but he is used as such and thus becomes one.
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Nate35
12:34 PM on 05/04/2011
He is a symbolic figure. He is a private citizen with a band of thugs and a few explosives; no more a holder of legitimate political power than a drug kingpin.
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Seaniebhoy
10:55 AM on 05/04/2011
I know I am not saying anything that hasn’t been said before, but it is rather sad that this unfortunate business has degraded into the equivalent of a national high five. People dancing in the streets who were mere babes when the attacks took lace, special mention and honors at a baseball match, and now souvenir shirts and mugs all celebrating an assassination. Instead of celebrating what amounts to murder, Americans should reflect on the cost of these wars, and how low you had to stoop in order to fight them. I am not saying that the decision was wrong or not in the best interest of security, it is just unfortunate and a little sad how the world’s attitude had had to change in regards to its outlook on government approved assassination.
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SanTang
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12:24 PM on 05/04/2011
I have to add that I do not know how the operation and the celebrations that took place afterwards can be explained to my children and grand-children in a respect your neighbor context.
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Wisdo
semantics shamantics
10:42 AM on 05/04/2011
Well Osama was not "assasinated" so the point is moot. Nobody elected Osama Bin laden or gave him a mandate to carry out acts of Mass Murder against the United States.

His self appointed "jihad" was a criminal enterprise and being a uniquely dangerous criminal, with a track record of murder his death during apprehension can at worst be considered execution. But even for execution to be considered an ignoble charge, one would have to ignore the circumstances of his arrest - in a risky CQB scenario on semi-hostile foreign soil.

Im still incensed that the Rodney King beating resulted in a free pass for the LAPD, but the death of Osama Bin Laden can be laid entirely at his own feet. He had the opportunity to give himself up and spare thousands of lives.
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Dennis Higgins
10:16 AM on 05/04/2011
Bin Laden was not assassinated...he was the latest casualty in the war he declared against America. No big deal.
09:53 AM on 05/04/2011
Osama "resisted". Over half of the pictures released by Osama have him holding a weapon or a weapon is in the frame. What are the Navy Seal supposed to do, let Osama run to a weapon since he didn't stop, at their command, and hold up his hands?
02:03 PM on 05/04/2011
Killed while resisting capture - happens in US cities all the time - LOL!
09:47 AM on 05/04/2011
This was an assassination ordered by President Obama. Bush would probably have done the same thing. But let's not be intellectually dishonest about it. There was no desire to capture Bin Laden alive, which would have raised a nightmare of legal, political and diplomatic problems. We must be adult enough to accept the facts as they are, and debate the morality of the action honestly.

The rash of conflicting reports we are hearing from our own government officials -- he was armed, no he wasn't; he was in a million-dollar mansion, he was in an un air-conditioned run down house; he used a woman as a shield, no he didn't, etc. etc. -- merely show that our own people are not entirely comfortable with what we did, and thus there is this need to create ambiguity about what happened.

Let's stop beating around the bush (pun intended). As opposed to invading countries with armies, Obama has shown a decided predilection for directing targeted killings and assassinations of suspected terrorists on foreign soil without the cooperation or consent of the foreign country's leaders. In other times, liberals would have called this a violation of international law and an impeachable offense. Let's at least be honest enough to that under some extreme circumstances, the ends really do justify some very unsavory means, including means that under ordinary circumstances would still want to call illegal and immoral.
09:16 AM on 05/04/2011
On an occasion when Napoleon was within cannon shot, Wellington is said to have remarked, "Generals do not make war on generals." Perhaps if they did, more privates would survive..

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Louise Aloft
08:43 AM on 05/04/2011
i seldom agree with the pope, but death is not to be celebrated.. we justify our actions abroad in terms of democracy and liberality and freedom, but when it's more convenient we just do what the hell we want. i, personally, would have preferrred a trial!