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Rachel Maddow's Marriage Mistake

Posted: 10/08/11 12:24 PM ET

I've never seen Rachel Maddow's show. I don't watch any of the commentary shows. I'm not interested in hearing the opinions of talking heads on television. I either want facts, from which I draw my own conclusions, or I want entertainment. Maddow, Napolitano or Limbaugh don't give me what I'm looking for. I read instead.

Reading is how I discovered Rachel Maddow's comments on marriage equality in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter:

Maddow keeps an apartment in Manhattan, but she decamps to the solitude of Northampton, Mass. on weekends, where she lives with her girlfriend of 12 years, artist Susan Mikula, and Poppy, their black Labrador. ...

Gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts in 2004, but Maddow says she and Mikula have no immediate wedding plans. "We know a lot of people who have gotten married but I don't think we feel any urgency about it."

Later she admits that she's actually ambivalent about the cultural impact of gay marriage.

"I feel that gay people not being able to get married for generations, forever, meant that we came up with alternative ways of recognizing relationships," she explains. "And I worry that if everybody has access to the same institutions that we lose the creativity of subcultures having to make it on their own. And I like gay culture."

Maddow is guilty of blinkered thinking. Everything she says may well be true, for people such as she, but it is not true for many other gay couples -- perhaps most other gay couples.

Maddow is not saying she opposes marriage equality, just that she worries about it, because gay culture, which was created in inequality, might lose something. If you think about that, it is rather astounding. Yes, human experiences, even harmful and oppressive ones, shape a people's culture, but that is no reason to keep injustice going. Even mentioning it, in this context, shocks me.

Whether Maddow feels an urgency to get married or not is entirely subjective and personal. There certainly are people who find little reason to marry legally. And there are others who have urgent, legitimate reasons for marriage. People in Maddow's situation don't have urgent reasons to marry legally, but many gay people are not so fortunate.

Let me put it mildly: Maddow is not financially hurting. She has an apartment in Manhattan and a home in Massachusetts. Her partner is an artist who has showings around the country. They are probably rather well off financially. There are no children, just a Labrador.

She can afford to worry about whether "gay culture" will lose something if gay people can marry. Lots of gay couples can't.

Simply put, Maddow's wealth and position insulates her from many of the worst injustices of marriage inequality.

Mikula is U.S.-born. That helps. Maddow doesn't have to worry that Susan could be deported because their relationship is not legally recognized. She can afford to worry about "culture," instead of deportation. Binational gay couples might see it differently.

There are gay couples, raising children together, where one partner is the "legal" parent of some of the children, and the other is the "legal" parent of the other children. They aren't allowed to marry, and aren't allowed to jointly adopt those children. In the event of the death of one of them, their family could be split up with children being ripped away from the only other parent they know. Marriage isn't quite so urgent when the issue is custody of a Labrador.

The cost of legal contracts, mimicking some, but not all, of the protections of marriage cost gay couples between $5,000 and $10,000 dollars. A highly paid television personality and her artist partner, with homes in rural Massachusetts and Manhattan, probably don't find that onerous. Other gay couples are not so fortunate and find themselves powerless when things go wrong.

Some gay families include spouses who work full-time, while the other partner stays home and cares for the kids, the house and even the dog. When the wage-earning partner dies, they are in deep trouble. The partner doesn't receive the pension, or Social Security, of the deceased partner, as would happen with straight, married couples.

Just recently, not far from my home, a man lost his spouse. With the death of the spouse, Social Security income dropped dramatically, far more than it would have if the federal government recognized their legal marriage. The surviving spouse was denied the pension benefits that a "wife" would have received. His only option was to sell the home they had lived in for so many years. I suspect the last thing he worried about was whether "gay culture" would lose something if this were not the case.

Maddow's wealth and atypical situation insulates her from much of the reality that other gay people, in relationships, have to worry about. Based on what I know of her situation, she will probably continue to be legally secure up until either she or her partner dies. Then the surviving partner will find inheritance tax laws treat her differently and she will pay significantly higher amounts. In the meantime, Maddow can indulge herself in the luxury of worrying about "culture" instead.

What irks me most about Maddow's comments is what will be done with them. There are people, who would happily stamp out gay culture if they could, who will now latch onto her comments in order to justify the injustices they inflict on others.

 
 
 
I've never seen Rachel Maddow's show. I don't watch any of the commentary shows. I'm not interested in hearing the opinions of talking heads on television. I either want facts, from which I draw my ow...
I've never seen Rachel Maddow's show. I don't watch any of the commentary shows. I'm not interested in hearing the opinions of talking heads on television. I either want facts, from which I draw my ow...
 
 
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02:44 PM on 10/10/2011
When I initially read this article I agreed with your point of view and strongly disagreed with the statements made by Rachel. However, when I really thought about this, the part of me that is not so cynical and jaded likes to believe that you should marry who you love, the person in your life, who, despite knowing the truth about you, loves you anyway. Marriage, in the most romantic of notions, should not be a business contract. Rachel has been quoted as saying that her relationship with Susan is the most important thing in her life. Yes, they are lucky that they don’t have to worry about their finances, deportation, healthcare, or the rest of the things that are pervasive in our daily lives. I would like to believe that Rachel knows how incredibly lucky she and Susan are. Rachel has consistently fought for marriage equality and her expression and her passion when discussing this issue does not belie her. How she honors her own relationship, the relationships of others, and how she honors gay culture is her choice. I do think that it is unfair to apply her comments about her personal situation and beliefs, as a blanket, to what she fights for in terms of equality and fairness.
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07:40 PM on 10/10/2011
Bravo! Peron comes off like an angry second grader who wants 'what she has.'
Grow up- take a weekend trip to a state you can be married in; and live your life. End of Story .
Proud to be #1. f&f
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02:04 PM on 10/10/2011
I understand the author's perspective, but Dr Maddow wasn't saying that she was opposed to marriage equality. She merely said that she is a lesbian who honors gay culture and didn't necessarilly think marriage is right - at this point in time - for herself and her partner. I think her stand is thoughtful and considered.

My partner is retired military and if we have a choice, we will marry. The primary reason we would do so is so I could receive survivor benefits if she predeceases me. She should be entitled to survivor benefits from my long professional career if the reverse is true.

That being said, I have always been on record that gay marriage cannot harm the institution of marriage because straight people have done so much damage to it. My partner and I will celebrate 30 years of commitment in 2013 and I find it insane that a newlywed would get survivor benefits if his or her spouse were to die and we would get nothing; but, not being legally married takes NOTHING away from our partnership.

We have created the legal protections we need for our estate ourselves. It didn't cost $5,000 and most of the forms we needed are statutory so are available to everyone for free (living will, healthcare power of attorney, general power of attorney, etc.)

I just wanted to point out that being fundamentally in favor of gay marriage doesn't mean you must avail yourself of it.
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Jeffrey Marks
06:51 AM on 10/11/2011
Congratulations to you and your partner! However, all the forms in the world will not replace marriage. There are rights and tax incentives ONLY available to the married, inheritance taxes for starters. Your legal protections will not get you Social Security benefits for your spouse and in many places will not give your pension to your spouse in case of death. Most people do not have the financial resources to take a hit like that in order for them to contemplate whether the gay community is assimilating and losing its otherness.

Dr. Maddow may not have been saying that she was opposed to marriage, but merely saying that it didn't make sense for her. However, saying as much was a truly "let them eat cake" moment for her.
01:36 PM on 10/10/2011
Mr. Peron, I see this arguement both ways. Yes, Ms. Maddow's financial and social priveledge largely shield her from the worst that heterosexism has to offer. However, I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater by minimizing the importance of what our community undeniably looses as we normify. I'm not saying that the social changes, I too have fought hard for, shouldn't progress or that we should in any way go back. I fight for change but I acknowledge our culture - unique from heterosexuals - is slowly becoming extinct. And while I revel in our successes (Yay death of DADT!) I mourn the loss of esprit de corps among queers/homos that diminishes daily as we are willingly absorbed into generic American society. Again, I'm not decrying this progress: I just want to honor how we were and aren't now.

When I watch footage of queer activists in the 60's they seemed to want to blow the roof off of everything that limited human potential. Fighting to freely love who you will was a natural calling in that context. We've maintained the fight but left the context behind. I'm hoping that now that we're achieving some major triumphs (the death of DOMA is not far off now) maybe we will be able to take stock more of where we are, what we've got, what we've lost and what we want/need to do next.
09:40 AM on 10/10/2011
If you listen to her she is FOR Marriage equality. It seems to me that the author is complaining that Maddow isn't gay enough.She has said that"SHE felt no urgency". I understand, I had to ask my wife 5 times over 10 years until she finally said yes. Her take on it was if it ain't broke don't fix it.The author said he doesn't watch the show. Maybe he should.
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Jeffrey Marks
06:55 AM on 10/11/2011
The author does not say that she's not gay enough. The author is saying that there's no urgency to marriage equality for her as she worries about the state of LGBT assimilation; she is putting an idea on the same level as the thousands of $$ in benefits from marriage that may mean the difference between being able to stay in the family home or being thrown into the street by family or the bank.
01:31 AM on 10/10/2011
Your first sentence tells me a lot. I recommend that you watch her show. You'll get a really good sense of the amazing person that she is. You'll also get the 'facts' that you desire, as facts are the only currency that she trades in. You will, I believe, come to admire her, and be less eager to parse and criticize any one particular phrase that she may have uttered.
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Jeffrey Marks
08:15 AM on 10/10/2011
I disagree. I watch her, admire her, and I cringed when I heard her say that. It was a statement made of privilege and will be used to push against marriage equality.
05:47 PM on 10/10/2011
I watch her every week night and I to admire her. But what she said feels like a kick in the balls.
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Gigi Jacobs
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05:18 AM on 10/11/2011
For those of you that cringed at the comment made by Maddow, I want you to know there is a reason for this. I'm gay. I have a bit of knowledge of Maddow that some may not. It's because of this knowledge that I see her for who she really is ..and not with the pedestal so many have put her on.

Yes, her show is factual and she does the right things and reveals appropriate truths on her show-BUT, there was always something missing. I couldn't put my finger on it until I had a problem with being bullied on her Maddow Blog. I a gay person, experienced and unusually large amount of bullying from a group of 'butch" gay females who had banded together on her site.

Because I thought she stood for courage of heart and what was right, I thought she'd surely make sure this would be taken care of and the offenders removed. After a dozen letters (they say they read all their mail), I got no response, no reparation of the problem-nothing-but was told by another that Maddow has a big ego and is driven for professional reasons and nothing more. If anything, she would be amused and it best I not return to her blog.

My admiration for her dissipated quickly, although I still watch at time because she does a good show and is factually correct.
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04:39 AM on 10/11/2011
I have to agree with Jeffery and Brian on this one. What she said shocked me, because it didn't sound like the typical RM that I see on her show. Sacrificing our culture for marriage equality? Don't have to ask me twice. We won't lose our culture if we're allowed to be married. We'll lose all the alternate ways we have to describe our relationships, but that's not something I think many people would miss.
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Gigi Jacobs
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05:32 AM on 10/11/2011
I left a comment that will explain why this does not sound like the RM on her show-I don't know if the moderator will post it.

After my own personal experience with Maddow, I came to realize that the person on the show and the real Rachel who made such a shocking statement do not match up. And that's because Rachel is driven to do a good show for professional reasons only. It is not because it's coming from her heart and she wants to change the world.

When I first found this out, I was deeply sad, for I too had thought she was more than a performer. Unfortunately that is what she is doing on the show. It doesn't mean I still don't watch the show today. I just know she's not the heroic person of heart that I had so hoped her to be.

The real Rachel would make just exactly such a comment. She is driven because she wants to be the best. That is different than coming from heart. It's for personal achievement.

And for me, heart beats a Rhodes Scholarship any day of the week.

I'm not shocked at all by her statement. As a gay person, I am just disappointed, and again find her statement to be a much more accurate depiction of who she really is.

To my sadness, not a person of heart-but a well driven machine for professional success. Yes, even gay people have their opportunists as well.
10:03 PM on 10/09/2011
You make some great points. However, why don't you direct your comments to Ms. Maddow and give her an opportunity to reply with more context and/or explanation. I would be very interested in her reply to your statements, especially since I used to listen to her on Air America radio, and I now watch her nightly TV show. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Sadly, we seem to be very good at eating our own, without pausing to put down the proverbially fork to have a conversation.
01:39 PM on 10/10/2011
Neal Christ: agreed and fanned!
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Gigi Jacobs
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05:47 AM on 10/11/2011
Neal, read my previous comments. Rachel will not respond to nor reply with more context or explanation.

Yes, her show is informative and factually accurate. I do watch it myself for just that reason.

But many of you have associated traits with her that she does not possess. Rachel is driven for professional success. That means being who you want her to be on the show. But that is not who she is in person.

That doesn't mean her show is not worth watching. But it does mean that having courage of heart and being Rachel are far apart. I was very disappointed to find this out myself. For I have always thought heart to be a far greater thing than being a Rhodes Scholar.

But unfortunately, she is not driven by the same things others may be driven by. Her drive comes from the desire to be professionally the best. That is much different than coming from one's heart.

As a gay woman, I am more disappointed than you might know. But denying it will not make it any less true.

Sorry.
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08:44 PM on 10/09/2011
Frankly,

Your point that wealth and position insulate Maddow from the ramifications of their positions on issues is applicable to virtually all pundits and politicians. Frankly put, they don't care. Tax away the marriage issue and she has one less thing to Bash the GOP about on her show. Lower taxes and create jobs? Then what would Hannity or Beck talk about? Come up with real, effective jobs legislation or fixes to the economy in a bipartisan manner that wasn't a giveaway to all congresses' special interests? DC would explode.

Bottom line. No one in power really wants all the problems to be solved because than they lose their reason for being.

It's like drug companies that keep making medications that cure symptoms, but not the disease. There's no money in curing.
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07:37 PM on 10/09/2011
Interesting piece.I hadn't considered Ms. Maddow's position on gay marriage before.

I can understand being hesitant to take a chance on losing cultural identification.

Mr. Peron - the things you write about Maddow seem puzzling to me. Of course she doesn't have the same financial worries as most of us.

I think the issues for people who are not allowed to marry are certainly deserving of being reiterated as you did in your article. What I found interesting was your assertion she would have a different opinion on gay marriage if she were in limited financial circumstances.

She doesn't strike me as a person living a fear based life - but I don't know her personally - so that's just my opinion.
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cintirich
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08:46 PM on 10/09/2011
What does she have to fear? Money insulates from virtually all of the nastiness of everyday life.
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11:07 PM on 10/09/2011
I agree money makes getting your basic needs met much, much easier.

I don't think Maddow's opinion would change if she were penniless - but that's just speculation on my part.
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Gigi Jacobs
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05:59 AM on 10/11/2011
You don't know her personally and that's why you don't understand Mr. Peron.

I too thought Rachel was of great courage and heart. But when I found out otherwise, despite my huge disappointment, I had to accept that the persona she created for appearances was not the same as who I and apparently others, wanted her to be.

If you could understand that she is motivated by being the best she can be for professional reasons only, you would understand why she made such a comment. She is not a fear based being. She is a person with huge ego and as a result, does not have the capability of actually feeling the results of such statements.

I still watch her show because it's good and factually correct-but I no longer have her on any pedestal that I once did. Her desire for professional success is causing more good than her uncaring statements and so I watch what she portrays on her show.

But in my eyes, being of heart is a far greater quality than being a Rhodes Scholar. I guess none of us are all things-despite what we may wish. For that reason, I have much more feeling for Ed and some of the others. But her show is still factual and of value. She's just not someone I would have in my circle of friends.
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08:37 AM on 10/11/2011
Hi Gigi:

Thanks for responding to my comment.
You obviously know things about Maddow I don't. Would you like to share?
06:14 PM on 10/09/2011
Thank you Mr. Peron. I was angered by Ms. Maddows ruminations on gay marriage and you voiced my problems with her quotes perfectly. She could have a problem with "marriage" many straight people do, but when she has a problem with "gay marriage" she belittles the work the rest of us have done.
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jstephenclark
05:16 PM on 10/09/2011
James, I managed to slog through your condescension performance in first few sentences to ultimately discover that you've offered a breathtakingly superficial critique. We've been having this debate in the gay community for more than 25 years. It's not clear from this piece that you even understand the anti-assimilation position that Maddow's commentary represented. Certainly, nothing in your response--hovering somewhere between anti-classism screed and personal attack--addressed the actual anti-assimilation arguments. It's ironic that your piece would appear during the week that we lost Paul Ettelbrick, one of the leading proponents of the anti-assimilation position.
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stefiz
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09:36 PM on 10/09/2011
fanned!
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wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
01:37 AM on 10/10/2011
x2!
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02:44 PM on 10/10/2011
Well put. Fanned & faved.
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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05:11 PM on 10/09/2011
Rachel Maddow is NOT gay. THAT'S why she doesn't want to marry Susan Mikula. Rachel is simply milking the LGBT rally for admiration because homosexuality sells in the left-leaning mainstream media.

Read my blog to see my reasoning behind my conclusion that Rachel is faking homosexuality: http://www.thisisjohncoffey.com/2011/10/07/news-politics/rachel-maddow-is-not-really-gay/ {{-_-}}
05:45 PM on 10/09/2011
Lol ... "faking homosexuality" ... when will you guys start to debate based on FACTS instead of constantly trying to make things up ... ? Just askin' ... ;-)
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wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
01:38 AM on 10/10/2011
The 12th of sliver ?
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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03:11 AM on 10/10/2011
Who are "you guys"? This is just me. And exactly WHAT did I make up? Prove me wrong then. {{-_-}}
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tjconkster
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06:49 PM on 10/09/2011
Hey..I'm straight..I've lived with the same woman for 10 + yrs..we have no intention or desire to get married...does that mean that I am not straight?

Time for you to go back to Fox...don't let the door hit yer arse on the way out...
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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03:10 AM on 10/10/2011
You also don't have a show telling people TO get married. And I don't watch Fox. I don't belong to either party. {{-_-}}
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tidalwave4455
02:48 PM on 10/09/2011
Even farther back than the civil rights marches of the 1960's... I wonder if Ms Maddow is bemoaning the loss of black culture when Southern slaves were emancipated? Slaves were kept separate from their masters and developed distinct cultural and linguistic identities from the white population. I wonder how many modern African-Americans would have prefered to have been kept in slavery so as to not have lost their unique culture.
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jstephenclark
05:18 PM on 10/09/2011
Bad analogy. Instead, check out some of the recent commentary about how the civil rights act decimated thriving black-owned businesses in the big cities. That's a better analogy.
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Jeffrey Marks
08:19 AM on 10/10/2011
The gay subculture has already seen that. The loss of bars and bookstores in historically gay neighborhoods. However, marriage imparts many other benefits besides assimilation that can mean having and not having for many couples. Why doesn't she bemoan the bookstores and not marriage?
01:53 PM on 10/09/2011
Marriage should not be something the government should have its hands into in the first place. There should not be a "benefit" for being married or a punishment for not- dished out at the hands of the same people who can’t balance a budget.

It always was intended as a legal move to consolidate and maintain wealth. It has outlived its usefulness to everyone but attorneys who count on the fact that 50% of us who tie the knot will be back in 7 years to hand them huge sums of money to undo the legal mess. Marriage should be a religious ceremony where vows mean more spiritually than legally. Instead, it's cash cow industry on your way in and on your way out.
01:24 PM on 10/09/2011
Rachel Maddow is a paid performing artist for corporate America. She bashes for dollars.
12:40 PM on 10/09/2011
Maddow's fears are very similar to those expressed in the black community inthe 1960s who feared that integration, while a huge step toward equality, would create a cultural cost. They were not completely wrong. Neither is Rachel Maddow. It doesn't mean that she eschews equality but rather that she has her eye on the next phase: who we will be when freedom comes.
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RobertHenryEller
I saw Ray Charles perform.
04:24 PM on 10/09/2011
Well put.

Marriage as an institution has not necessarily worked out so well for a substantial percentage of heterosexuals either.

The articles author is correct that for many homosexual couples, the option to marry makes sense. But the key point of marriage law reform is not that homosexual couples should marry, but that they should have the same choice to do so or not as heterosexual couples.
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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05:14 PM on 10/09/2011
Integration is not the answer. Economic empowerment is. {{-_-}}
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wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
01:40 AM on 10/10/2011
And how would one have one without the other ?
02:04 AM on 10/10/2011
That was said by Booker T. Washington (Atlanta Compromise), Marcus Garvey, Elijah Muhammad et. al. They all took stock in this belief that economic empowerment was of paramount interest to African-Americans, even over the hope for civil rights and equality before the law. It justified the separatist argument espoused by Garvey and Muhammad, that "there's no hope for equality in the United States. Let's either move back to Africa or separate a portion of the South for us."

Is it a bad idea? Not in itself. But what if Economic Empowerment (perhaps for DuBois' Talented Tenth) did take precedent over Integration in the 1960s?

Would we have had the Civil Rights movement as we know it? Would MLK have been relevant?