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Don't Buy Into the Hysteria: This Election Isn't About a Debate

Posted: 10/06/2012 11:43 am

Long before this week's presidential debate, the contours of this election had already been set. Despite the near hysterical and, at times, irritatingly silly reactions from pundits, right and left, the debate itself added very little that will impact the ultimate outcome of the contest.

It was like watching a Yankees/Red Sox series game. Both sides watched and cheered for their team. One side came away a bit more excited, the other a bit deflated, but no one changed the side they are on.

Putting aside the exaggerated reactions of media commentators "Romney triumphed" or "Obama blew it" the debate, itself, was quite boring. Like the impact of former President Bill Clinton's convention address that boosted Democrat's morale, Romney's performance might provide a "shot in the arm" to depressed Republicans, many of whom have been troubled by their candidate and his lackluster campaign. Mood changer, yes, but not a "game changer."

More important than the debate are several factors that have defined the political landscape in 2012.

First and foremost among these, are the basic demographics of the electorate. On the Democratic side, there is the dramatic increase in "minority voters". Two decades ago, this group comprised less than 20 percent of all voters. Today, they may be as high as 29 percent. Estimates are that 80 percent will vote for President Obama. Add to this group young voters, educated professional women, and, as my brother John notes, "the creative class" and you have the Democratic coalition -- not exactly the dependent "takers" of Mitt Romney's imagined 47 percent.

The core of the Republican coalition is increasingly white, middle aged and older, and male -- with many within this group over-lapping with "Born Again" Christians. It was from within this demographic that the Tea Party was born, and the impact they have had on this year's contest has been substantial. After flexing their muscles delivering a Republican takeover of Congress in 2010, the emboldened Tea Party helped shape the field of 2012 GOP presidential aspirants. More moderate Republicans were discouraged from entering the contest and the positions of those who did run bordered on the extreme in order not to alienate this aggressive hard line movement. Many of the statements made by Romney during the first presidential debate would have had him booed off the stage during the Republican primary.

Two other landscape definers in the 2012 election resulted from Supreme Court decisions. The "Citizens United" case opened the door for the obscene amounts of money -- much of it unreported -- that is allowing the so-called Super PACs and 501(c)(4) organizations to fill the airways with mostly negative ads. Likewise, the decision by the Court to uphold the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act has meant that the president's signature legislative accomplishment, though still a point of contention, is not the central issue being contested/defended in this year's debate.

Three additional events have played a significant role in defining this election. Latinos had been frustrated by the failure of the Administration to make a priority of immigration reform. The White House has argued that they lacked the support in Congress to pass the measure. But this past summer, President Obama unilaterally acted to provide temporary relief to the group of undocumented young people who had been brought into the U.S. illegally as children and who now find that through no fault of their own they are at risk of deportation. This reprieve, while initially criticized by Republicans, has impacted the election in two ways. It has energized the all-important Latino vote for Obama. And as the GOP has realized that it was about to be swamped by this growing bloc, they have muted their criticism -- with Mitt Romney now, for all intents and purposes, saying that he will uphold the President's action.

Much the same can be said of President Obama's decision to end the policy of "don't ask, don't tell," which discriminated against gays serving in the U.S. military and his late recognition of equal marriage rights for gays. It is not just that gays comprise a substantial part of the liberal electorate. It is also clear that respect for their equal rights has become a litmus test of sorts among young voters.

The final "landscape setter" for this year's contest was Mitt Romney's now-infamous "47 percent" video. For months Democrats had been working to define Romney as an elitist who was "out of touch with working class Americans." The recording of Romney's off the cuff remarks before an audience of well-heeled donors has been played over and over with Romney, in effect, defining himself as an "out of touch" elitist.

These are the major factors that set the stage for this election, not the debate. Though they may try, the "group think" feeding frenzy of the pundits will shape headlines for a night or two, but will not alter the landscape. Clinton's clear articulation of Obama's agenda may have inspired already supportive Obama voters, just as Romney's breathlessly desperate performance in the first debate proved a shot in the arm to his supporters. But I doubt that in the long term either of these substantially alter the size or composition of the either candidate's support base.

 

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Long before this week's presidential debate, the contours of this election had already been set. Despite the near hysterical and, at times, irritatingly silly reactions from pundits, right and left, t...
Long before this week's presidential debate, the contours of this election had already been set. Despite the near hysterical and, at times, irritatingly silly reactions from pundits, right and left, t...
 
 
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SCspitfire
12:48 PM on 10/08/2012
The debate was mainly for the people who were unsure about who they were voting for. People needed to get a better comparison between the candidates. A die hard Obama voter will never understand, nor try to comprehend what this debate meant for the many who were "on the fence".I know you don't want to believe it, but this Debate was a big deal. You try to imply that it's in the bag and Obama will win easily.Well, you may want to re-think that. You are trying to "soothe" the Democrats and hopefully "fool" some from switching teams. You would rather they gone down with the ship because you don't want to sink alone. .You can believe that this debate didn't change people's minds,but I'm going to give America a little more credit than that... I don't think they are as stupid as you are hoping... I think they know a fraud when they see one and now they are ready for a REAL CHANGE and not some blown up piece of fantasy we were given 4 years ago. How can you even begin to think this debate meant nothing to people? When they saw Mitt Romney, they saw someone who might actually get the job done...or at least try, which is more than Obama has done in 4 years.
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CSKAP
Morlock or Eloi?
10:13 AM on 10/08/2012
Doesn’t anyone remember in 2000 and 2004 when the Right Wing saw George Bush losing debates and all the Republican pundits screaming that “We are not electing a Debater in Chief”?
Where are those same pundits now?
06:26 AM on 10/08/2012
I can't help, but admire the progressives desperate attempts telling us all is well for Obama. Sixty-seven Million people watched that debate because there was nothing else on television worth watching?

Research and learn the significance of that number and its power to influence voters.

While this educational Arab scholar tells us of the overwhelmingly majority of American progressive class voters and we have total power to win, he totally forgets 2010, but with a slight honorable mention.

This election like last election will be totally in the hands of the independent voters rapidly raising majority, and all polls suggest Obama did himself harm after that first debate with them. I watch several news programs with mixed political voters, and the two things I observed should have progressives terrified. Many past Obama voters are not giving him a second chance. Many independent voters saw Romney commanding lead in business, taxes, and GULP health care Legislation.

CNN ripped into both candidates for alleged false statements, but Obama took the worse for wear because he spoke longer perhaps. Romney's 47% comment has progressive women and Blacks outraged, but oddly most all on these panels regardless of gender, said it wasn't an appropriate comment, nor was it a game changer.

What shocked me is how many said with the current entitlement numbers, etc. there is some truth behind that ideology .., the numbers, however, are impossible to determine, but they're unquestionably rising
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lovely09
I don't comment much, but when I do...
01:22 AM on 10/08/2012
Mood changer, yes, but not a "game changer."

Read this article word for word and boy was it spot on.
Repubs are under some kind of delusion that NOW Dems, Latinos, LGBTs, youth, women(who respect their reproductive rights), and especially the insulted 47% are going to go , "WOW, Romney looked great! Forget the issues that I embrace and let me vote for Mitt because he...looked...great!"

That is beyond ludicrous. If you were going to vote for Romney, you still are. If you were going to vote for Obama, you still are.

VP Biden will be well prepared to get at Ryan on all their flip flops & lies. Obama WILL do it in the next two. Mitt will either have to lie some more or tell the truth. Either way, Romney won't win. The electoral votes hasn't and in just less than a month NOT be in his favor.
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Mr Bile
I'm going for a snake/ninja approach. With hissing
01:23 PM on 10/08/2012
I don't know. Gallup is a pretty serious and well respected (by both parties) polling agency, and they have it neck and neck right now. So obviously, something you said isn't right, more people that weren't on Romney's side came on board. The VP debates traditionally don't move the needle. Obama would have to pull a miracle, or Romney would have to maybe break down in tears during the second debate, for the polling landscape to change.
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lovely09
I don't comment much, but when I do...
05:16 PM on 10/08/2012
No miracle from Obama or tears from Romney are necessary. I've been consistent in my posts past & present that any poll, Gallup, AP, whatever...does not decide an election.

I compare electoral maps from reputable places and Obama is still way over the 270 he needs. So if anyone needs a miracle, it would be Romney because he'll need to garner a lot of blue votes AFTER the other debates which is beyond unlikely. :)
01:00 AM on 10/08/2012
Thank God! An article on the debate that makes sense! Because it doesn't advance the "horse race" narrative, it's a wonder it ever saw the light of day.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:43 PM on 10/07/2012
If the dupes cannot tell the difference between lies, and a good debate performance,

we will all suffer.
07:22 PM on 10/07/2012
The problem for Dems (beside watching a presidential candidate outright lie with impunity) is the illusion of "momentum". If the undecideds think that the election has shifted they will obligingly follow along.
The idea that after 6 years of Romney campaigning and 4 years of Obama as President there are still that many people who haven't decided is just mind boggling to me.
06:12 PM on 10/07/2012
I wonder too, about differing gender perceptions in this debate. I would suggest that men would approve of Romney's aggressive, in your face style, while most women would have found it rude and obnoxious. Consider that women are going to win this election for the President, I agree that this debate will not determine the outcome of the election.
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edrem2
gutter rat, but I'm looking at the stars
05:31 PM on 10/07/2012
I seem to recall that there were a number of articles ( some quoting statistical evidence) saying essential the same thing as this article -before the debate- that it would not change the dynamics of the campaign. So its a little strange to read comments that say this article wouldnt have been written if Obama had "won" the debate.
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thirdcloud
03:29 PM on 10/07/2012
For all our idealism about voting and democracy, Americans have created a needlessly complex and burdensome voting system and some want it to be even more so!
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1johnf
What would Studs say?
02:55 PM on 10/07/2012
Excellent post. the Yankee-red Sox analogy was brilliant...and true. Animated lying will not change the trajectory of the campaign. Pundits have to say something that makes them feel that they have insight.
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Mark Giovanni Sandore
02:00 PM on 10/07/2012
It's weird, apparently fact checkers had Obama with 12 pinocchios and Romney with 7 ... there's one area that Obama won the debate ....
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01:13 PM on 10/07/2012
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The outcome of this election is really about two things -- a very small group of undecided voters and turnout. Nothing else matters. The debates do not matter. No gaffe on the part of either candidate is likely to matter. The United States of America is divided, and the direction of this nation depends on how many people come to the polls.

The Obama Administration did fail in some critical areas. HAMP's complications and paperwork were daunting, and the existence of the "present-value" analysis gave lenders a defensible way not to participate. A jobs stimulus should have been on the top of the Recovery list. The diplomatic "splitting the baby" regarding Palestine was just unacceptable. Recognizing Palestine's right to self-governance does jeopardize Israel. Oh, yeah...there was an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and the Gulf area is still suffering!

Health care reform was and is critical to our nation, and it is a remarkable shame that the President had to blow so much political capital to achieve it.

Yet...I remember trickle-down economics. Nothing trickles down. No amount of tax-breaks for the highest income earners will generate economic growth because the highest income earners are just too few in number. Employ a little common sense, people!

So, what to do? I say we stay the course. President Obama was handed an outright mess. Let's help him fix it.

Debates will not win this election. Votes will.
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Mark Giovanni Sandore
02:25 PM on 10/07/2012
Pretty much nothing matters. Having no command of the facts. Unimportant. Going from community organizer to not even finishing ONE term in the Senate, to President of the U.S. and leader of the Free World, not important, Form over substance, no problem. Calling a terrorist attack killing our Ambassador to Libya a spontaneous event based on a YouTube Video when they knew it was otherwise, no problem, using different cadences and speech patterns depending on whether his audience is black or white, unimportant, cooking the books to lower the unemployment numbers with the Obama Dept. of Labor, to under 8%, unimportant, calling out Romney for giving away 2 billion to Big Oil when Obama's giving 90 billion to Big Green for getting a big chunk of money back for his reelection campaign, unimportant, I'm getting tired ... do I have to keep going ......?
02:46 PM on 10/07/2012
Yes, actually, you should keep going...born into wealth, spearheading Bain Capital, becoming the Governor of Massachusetts and implementing the same health plan that now you would oppose...except for the parts you won't oppose....flip-flopping on every issue....saying that 47% of us, the American People, don't contribute??  Wow, what a bottom-feeder.  Please, go on.  If you're going to tell it, then you should tell it ALL.
annyp
A Canuck, eh!
03:49 PM on 10/07/2012
I would say you have forgotten that he was a Senator in the Illinois legislature as well and that is a fact.
01:01 PM on 10/07/2012
Yeah. Don't buy into the only debate with a worthy opponent Obama had to suffer through instead of talking about his fav color, being eye candy, and dodging hard meetings with world leaders. Yep. Just ignore this. The rest is much more real.
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Sansculotte
I never did like Tea
03:07 PM on 10/07/2012
What in the *world* are you talking about?
07:02 PM on 10/07/2012
I was using a literary method to try and make a point. What I meant is....in reply to the "don't buy into the hysteria", I offer a reductio ad absurdum that that would mean you need to rely on the less than stellar performances of the CiC outside the debate. Obviously this didn't work for you Mr. Without Pants (sansculotte).
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lovely09
I don't comment much, but when I do...
01:26 AM on 10/08/2012
I was just as mesmerized by the oddness of the post myself.
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CarrolltonTX
05:34 PM on 10/07/2012
Quit using controlled substances.