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Jane Hamsher

Posted: June 4, 2008 04:06 PM

Clinton To Obama: If You Don't Want Me, You're Gonna Have To Tell Me



It was inevitable -- somebody had to lose.

Typically, identity politics is a tactic that Democrats employ against Republicans. This time, it was the blueprint for a battle fought within the Democratic party. An extremely emotional race that ended last night, but the final coda has yet to be heard.

The stage was set not last night with Hillary Clinton's non-concession speech but last weekend at the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, which seems by now ancient history. But it's not possible to deconstruct what is happening now and the dance between the candidates without looking to what happened on that day.

I was there on Saturday, arriving early in the morning to see bus loads of Hillary Clinton supporters demonstrating in the street. Obama had waived his supporters off and told them not to attend, but die-hard fans on both sides had sat at their computers hitting the "refresh" button until they could get tickets to the event. The room was now filled with them, mostly cheering for their candidate's advocates as they spoke.

That is, until the end.

As Craig Crawford noted, the outcome made it clear that Obama was flexing his now quite formidable political muscle:

Make no mistake about it. The decision rendered today by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel showed that Barack Obama has displaced Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as boss of the party.

The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee gave Obama exactly what he wanted - a firm decision on seating Florida and Michigan delegates.

Clinton wanted a punt, a decision that would have kept things vague and lacking in finality. Her husband Bill had signaled in late May that Hillary was interested in the Vice Presidency; by all accounts Obama would rather lose a limb. Rumors began circulating last week that Obama had enough superdelegates to secure the nomination, which he would announce after the last primary vote had been counted. During this race, the candidates had split the Democratic party virtually down the middle. Would Hillary be able to make her case to the Democratic party, and to the public, that Obama needed her on the ticket?

There was mounting evidence that in fact he very well might need her:

A new Pew Research Center poll points to a surging tide of fury, especially among white women. As recently as April, this group preferred Obama over the presumptive Republican John McCain by three percentage points. By May, McCain enjoyed an eight-point lead among white women.

What's dangerous for the Democratic Party is that, for many women, the eye of the storm has moved beyond Hillary or anything she does at this point. The offense has turned personal.

They are now in their own orbit, having abandoned popular Democratic Websites that reveled in crude anti-Hillary outpourings -- and established new ones on which they trade stories of the Obama people's nastiness.

But worse than the online malice has been the affronts to their faces.

Tara Wooters, a 39-year-old mother from Portland, Ore., told me that wearing a Hillary sticker around town has become an act of defiance. She recalls one young man telling her, "I'd rather vote for a black man than a menopausal woman."

"We don't hurl insulting, berating remarks at Obama supporters, or at Obama himself or his family," Debbie Head, a 40-year-old from Austin, Texas, complained to me.

Remember Peggy Agar? The women do. They can't stop talking about the Detroit TV reporter who asked Obama a serious question at a Chrysler factory -- "How are you going to help American autoworkers?" -- to which he answered, "Hold on a second, sweetie."

Obama's fans are known for their enthusiasm. Everyone knew that were he to lose the nomination, the repercussions of their dashed hopes was something to take very seriously. But were Hillary's fans that passionate? Was this just typical political disappointment, and would they in time get over it?

The RBC meeting gave Clinton's supporters the chance to show where they stood. The Democratic Party, the press and the world got a opportunity to see for themselves that her fans were extremely ardent, committed and angry.

It was toward the end of the meeting, when the committee ruled to award Michigan delegate votes, that things started to get testy in the back of the room. Woman started chanting "Denver, Denver Denver!"

One female voice started hectoring the committee members. "No you shut up!" she shouted.

A commotion erupted and it became clear that she and other women were being escorted from the hall. I grabbed my FlipVideo camera, jumped over Salon's Walter Shapiro and pushed my way into the lobby to see the woman, who identified herself as Harriet Christian, having a very public meltdown over the decision. I taped a two minute clip that was up on YouTube before Harriet was probably out of the building. It took more time to climb over Walter Shapiro.

The clip became a YouTube phenomenon; by the time I got home over 200,000 people had seen it. It's now been viewed by over a million people. It appeared on CNN, Fox News and the Daily Show. Within 24 hours, 10 of the top 20 political videos on YouTube were people's responses to it.

The comments section (which now stands at nearly 19,000, one of the most commented upon political videos on YouTube of all time) was filled with people arguing fiercely about the contest. Some calling Christian a racist who showed the true face of the Clinton campaign, others calling her a truth teller who speaks for them. She turned into a Rorschach test for a Democratic party divided. She was raw, but we were all raw.

I think Obama supporter Jack Taylor spoke for many of us when he said:

Thank god this thing is almost over before I end up sounding as crazy as this person.

In this race, Hillary Clinton managed to activate female voters that the Democratic party hasn't been able to reach. They aren't coming out for an issue (like choice) -- they're coming out for a person they identify with. They've witnessed her indignities, and watched her dig her heels in and refuse to concede when people made jokes about "white bitch month" and hurled abuse in her direction. They saw her keep smiling and maintain her composure in a way that often times seemed super human. They saw her weather the arrows they themselves have suffered, and cheered her on as she refused to retreat.

Academic feminists largely abandoned Clinton with their wine track male bretheren, and are now consumed with making arguments like Clinton as a VP would be "bad for women," which probably makes little sense to ordinary working women who see themselves in her struggle. And in John McCain's speech last night, he made it abundantly clear he would make a play for these voters.

Would they be satisfied with another woman on the ticket, not Hillary? Would Kathleen Sibelius or Patty Murray fit the bill? If Harriet Christian is typical, it would be somewhat akin to abusing your wife then trying to make it up to her by giving a ring to your new girlfriend. As Harriet herself indicated on Fox News -- not bloody likely.

But how typical is she? When Hillary Clinton signaled yesterday that she'd like the VP position, and chose not to concede last night, the only way for Obama to keep her off the ticket is to openly reject her. It will be a clear statement to many of her female supporters -- culled from one of the largest voting blocks in the Democratic party -- that she is unwanted.

Obama is now on the spot. Will Clinton's supporters stick with her, or will they get over it?

I guess we'll find out.


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auntiecairo
02:06 PM on 06/08/2008
My question is if HIllary Clinton has so much support, the women behind her are so determined, then why is her campaign in debt? By her own accounts she has 18 million supporters - but yet is $20M in debt - why don't they all send in $1? My theory is Clinton got alot of last minute voters by hitting emotional issues (that ultimately were not in the realm of presidential powers) - e.g. getting the vote for Puerto Rico; freezing interest rates, etc. As a woman I understand the anger but not why it's directed at Obama - and why didn't Clinton address the issue more openly during the campaign (instead of relying on surrogates). Again, if a woman is willing to give up Roe v. Wade by switching to McCain then he or she isn't truly a Republican and was only voting to "have a voice." Clinton supporters also ignore that just as many voted against Hillary for Obama-so we would have had equal disenfranchisement if HIllary had won. Both were good candidates - and both seem to want to do what's best for the party/country. And if you're insulted by Obama using the term sweetie, then I suggest you talk to Hillary Clinton about Bill's treatment of women (especially Monica Lewiskny whom he called "girl") and ask why she continues to enable man who is everything Democracts contend Republicans are (rich, self-centered, white bastards. . . )
02:38 PM on 06/07/2008
I'm sure Barack Obama is sorry he used the word "sweetie." We all understand the difficulties of running a campaign in a world in which Utube has rendered everything you ever say - excruciatingly public. If we want transparency - and we do - we must also strive for compassion, tolerance, and a willingness to judge on the whole of what a human being says and does, and not "cling to" a single sound bite.
I would hope that those of my sisters for whom feminism is almost a standalone test of someone's commitment to social justice, would just look at Michelle Obama for one moment. Look at the brilliant, outspoken, and powerful woman Barack Obama married before concluding that he holds anything in common who those who have displayed such ugly, overt, and disgusting evidence of misogyny during the course of the primary campaign?
Including, I might add, John McCain. Please don't reward their revolting behavior by voting for someone who called his wife a "c**t" in public. That's an important piece of who he is.
Please do continue to find some outlets for your anger because we're clearly not there yet in the fight for gender equality. But don't refuse to join hands with someone who's as much on "your side" as Barack Obama. We have a long way to go yet before we're anywhere close to social justice in this country, and we can't afford to refuse the help of anyone who's really on our side.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
12:33 PM on 06/08/2008
You know bringing up Michelle Obama (" I'm not sure I would support H.C for prez should Barack lose ") may not be your most presuasive argument to win over Hilary supporters.

Likewise , continuing to posture that they supported their candidate for only the gender issue- Give them credit for supporting H.C for a multitude of reasons , because although they continously enumerate those reasons on Huffpo, the Obama camps continually reduces them to racist feminist s, which if I were them, would just piss me of more.
01:53 PM on 06/07/2008
If these frustrated female Clinton supporters will vote for McCain rather than for Obama, then Obama should show them what they'd get in a McCain presidency and what he'd be offering them. They're still Democrats, aren't they? But no lying, opportunistic Machiavellian Clinton V-P who'd be coming with sleazy Bill in tow!
09:43 AM on 06/06/2008
Obama should not be held hostage by Hillary and her supporters to give her the VP nod !
Hillary received a good deal of those votes by Republican's doing Rush Limbaughs operation chaos so the arguement that she won more votes with blue collar workers is not a true picture of how many would actually have voted for her in November and how many would have gone to McCain.

Obama can do better with Richardson who has real experience in foreign affairs not make believe experience and he also would bring more of the Lattino votes .He has both experience and would bring something other than chaos to the VP .
01:27 PM on 06/06/2008
I am a Clinton supporter that would not vote for Obama even if he picked her as his running mate, I have no confidence in him! Furthermore, as a Hispanic American if he chose Richardson as his running mate I would not vote for him either. Richardson chose not to represent the people of New Mexico and Hispanic Americans when he endorsed Obama instead of who we voted for by large margins.
04:16 PM on 06/06/2008
Beware of Operation Chaos. Operation Chaos is designed to divide, demoralize and spread disinformation among democrats. If Hillary had won, I would have voted for her, although she was not my first choice or second or third.... I did not agree with her voting to allow Bush to use force in Iraq, among other votes she cast in the senate. But, to have McCain block important legislation and to have our troops in Iraq another four years is more than I can stand. Democrats are supposed to care about the people--all the people. It is not about egos and personalities. It is about policy, legislation, the supreme court and the war. The McCain campaign is trying to recruit Hillary supporters because that is the only way he can win.
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ckdogs
Veritas
02:38 AM on 06/08/2008
Vote for John McCain, and get a border wall, mass deportations, and the fanning of racist flames against "illegal immigrants". We all put a lot into campaigning for the candidates we like, and there's a lot of hurt and anger when they lose. But there can only be one winner. And then, we have to take a breath, and look at the big picture. Which candidate has our interests at heart? Check out McCain, on the issues, and Obama - and see where your interests lie.
09:32 AM on 06/06/2008
IMHO I think its Hillary who needs to rally her supporters around Obama because it was actually Hillary who stirred up so much hate and anger in them by insinuating 1. that Obama could be a muslim ,which was interpeted by some of her supporters that he was some kind of terrorist that would ruin our country ,2.that McCain and her were the only ones fit to be president 3.that Obama was all speaches and no policy 4.that his wife was not partriotic because she stated it was the first time she has ever been proud of her country ,"never mind the years blacks have struggled in this country to be allowed the same respect and benefits as whites ," 5.that he somehow cheated her out of the nomination ,"dispite the fact he won a clean race against her and amassed more deligates than she did and that without the fuzzy math that discounted all cacuses and added full votes to Michigan and Florida that were by the DNC rules punished for voting early and she and Obama both agreed and signed to not count those votes Obama has won the popular vote as well .Obama was actually generous to Hillary giving her the majority of the votes in two pimaries that were by no means normal primaries .Fair would have been a 50-50 split of the votes and deligates.
It should be Hillary's job to undo all those false statements causing this rift !
08:46 PM on 06/06/2008
If this is what people actually believe, the Democratic party is in much deeper trouble than I thought. I didn't vote for Clinton but I certainly don't believe most of those who did are secret Rush Limbaugh supporters or that she stirred up "hate" by running a competitive campaign. I personally find these attacks on members of my own party highly offensive and tremble if they are truly representative of Obama's supprters.

The fact remains that, unless Obama can unite his own party, he will have a very hard time making the case to the country that he can unite this very, very divided nation. The job of presidential candidate is Obama's, not Senator Clinton's, and the task of uniting the party ALWAYS goes with the job. It is as simple as that.
01:58 PM on 06/07/2008
You point out something which some people don't seem to reaize. Now, why should Obama help out with her debt when her supporters haven't?
07:02 AM on 06/06/2008
Hillary Clinton is completely irrelevant, most of those people (Her so called supporters) are Rush Limbaugh followers not Democratic party members, they had no intention to vote fro Hillary in the general election. It's common sense, if they *REALLY* were supporters, why then has She been short of funding? Because the ones with the BIGGEST MOUTHS didn't give Her a dime. They are sending the money to McSame for President.
03:06 AM on 06/06/2008
Jane, how times have changed. During the Scooter Libby days I adored you. My wife was a tad jealous. It was your controlled compassion against injustice that was enticing. But now that this hellishness is apparently over I want to publicly thank you; By supporting Hillary and writing bizarrely one-sided stories you have essentially saved my marriage. Love is fickle, but a crush is unbelievably fickle. All it took to kill it was supporting Hillary. My wife did not convert to Obama to save the marriage - She was there before me - Just in case she reads this I want to make that public.

To Jane: We'll always have Scooter.
11:23 PM on 06/05/2008
P.U.M.A.
11:06 PM on 06/05/2008
"Hold on a second, sweetie." '.... these women remember this ... '

and by the way he called her back shortly afterwards with a lengthy apology and a promise to make ammends by giving her time in the near future. One of the reasons for all the frustration is surely the fact that, despite all that was thrown at Senator Obama by Senator Clinton, this is pretty much all he gave them. "Hold on a second, Sweetie .... "
10:45 PM on 06/05/2008
Hillary knows she can never be Obama's VP.

How could an anti-lobbyist President have a VP whose spouse is a paid lobbyist for a foreign government? (Bill Clinton has received at least $800,000 from the Colombian government for lobbying OUR government to pass CAFTA).

Then there are the missing 2007 tax returns, Hillary's earmarks, the details of how Bill and Hillary got $110 million dollars through business deals....and the never-disclosed list of library donors.

These financial problems undercut one of Obama's most powerful arguments against McCain: how corrupted by lobbyist money he appears. Very "Old Washington".
10:22 PM on 06/05/2008
It is so sad that so many women followed Hillary, and didn't take time to see the meltdown before them. It is so sad that Hil was trusted so much by these female followers and it appears that they were so misled that they didnt get, or missed the warning signal of the crash. Perhaps inspite of all of this, Hil's followers feel that Not Hillary, but only Obama is to blame for the outcome even in the end, when TM announced Hil as the next Pres. This was foolish and really appeared to be a let down to Hll's faithful followers. The f olks got hyped up even at that moment. Then Hil's rhetoric,did not indicate to them that it was Obama and not she who was the nominee. This appears to have confused also Hil's Delegates. Perhaps, many of these women followers now realize that the race is over, and it is now Obama time. Perhaps, these followers realize that When the message went out that Hil was interested in the VP position, that this was another ploy to woo these same followers in to sticking with
her a little longer as a PACKAGE deal as they join the Obama team. I say to Women,and Men over 18, l:et's stop the drama and stop the dealy dallying over the VP position; WE need to take back this WH.
10:17 PM on 06/05/2008
Yeah, Obama would have to have some kind of AUDACITY to shove a deserving woman who earned the most popular votes off the platform that 18,000,000 serious voters have put her on in the hopes of a better world.
So if Obama supporters expect us to hold our noses and vote for him then he should hold his nose and pick her for VP. No substitutes.
11:13 PM on 06/05/2008
He made it impossible to pick her once she, pretty much, asked for the job. Think about it.
03:00 AM on 06/06/2008
And this is the attitude with which you would approach your opponent -- after losing a contest? That is a humongous chip on the shoulder; and the basis for a bad start for a relationship.
09:15 PM on 06/05/2008
Maybe Pew should do a new poll because there has been a dramatic shift in the playing field and the players. The choice for the Democrats has narrowed. Do pollsters really want to drive American politics along the lines of who and who will not vote for an African American nominee.? This is a sophomoric and asinine approach to American politics, this is a very multi-cultural society. It is over simplistic to say women and poor whites will only vote for a white. We all know it is in HOW you ask the question, it is the first thing qualitative research teaches you.

The intent of women voters is not fatally tied to a failed candidacy of the first major female candidate. To suggest this is to intellectually undermine all women and marginalize us. It is notable that Obama chose Caroline Kennedy to lead the search for VP. Let's focus on that and of all people, I would think Arianna Huffington would be the first one in line to do that. To rehash Clinton angst over her failed candidacy denies us of our ability to move on. I say this as an Obama supporter. This is not a he/she divide. Obama has remained respectful and elevated the discourse of women in politics. Let's focus on the positive efforts made here.
02:27 AM on 06/06/2008
You have to decide if you are a supporter of a "woman" or the cause that they both fought for - to change the direction of this country. I think Obama had a better case for change as he was against the war. This is a very important issue. I don't care if Hillary is a woman or not. (I'm a white middle age woman). I'm supporting the candidate that is NOT for war. This war has seriously divided our country and is causing the near bankruptcy of our society as we know it. IT MUST END and we MUST not start any more if possible. Hillary voted AGAIN to allow Bush to maybe attack Iran. She is no more different than McCain, although she can talk better. She already spent 8 years in the whitehouse, let's give a fresh new face to our leadership. It's time and everyone should support the cause, not just the person. We need a REAL new direction! And she's not 'entitled' to the VP anymore than the Presidency. Enough of the monarchy.
03:25 PM on 06/08/2008
Can someone tell me what is BO's plan to end the war? Has he done anything substantial, even as community organizer, that have positive results for the people that he is suppose to represent? Of course everyone and anyone can do anything but can BO really do the things he said in his rhetorical speeches. I hear that the reason why he left the church was because the superdelegates said they would back him if he resigned unequivocally. If that's what really happened, he has his heart still with the church and he may not display his racist attitude but he is a racist to his bones. Read his book carefully, despite his father's abandonment and his mother's love, he still could not reconcile with his mother's race. Anyone disowning his mother's background is just bad.
08:49 PM on 06/05/2008
There are tens of thousands of people like me, both men and women who are disillusioned with the Democratic party. All the promises from 2006 and virtually no results with an almost total ineptness on the part of the leadership. While I'll vote at election time for state and federal reps, the space for president/vice president will be left blank and only because for all his oratory Obama offers absolutely nothing that's different. For anyone who doesn't think he's ingrained in DC they ought to think again. All the press today about the DNC accepting nothing from lobbyists and PACS at his insistence means nothing when he's willing to accept from them and their families on a personal basis and accept from lobbyists and PACs associated on the State level.
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JustMyWords
09:52 PM on 06/05/2008
Would you rather have Obama and his oratory, or McCain and his carbon-copy of Bush's policies? Because that's really the choice you're making.

Anyone who doesn't actively work for and vote for Obama is voting for McCain. Personally, I think the proverbial yellow dog would be a better choice.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
10:20 PM on 06/05/2008
"Anyone who doesn't actively work for and vote for Obama is voting for McCain."

Oh, please. How many repetitions of "you're with us or you're against us" will we have to endure in American politics?

If you can't give a reason for someone to vote FOR someone, only AGAINST someone else, don't be surprised when a significant fraction of the population tunes you out in disgust. There are substantive differences between Obama and McCain. But if a person is dissatisfied with BOTH candidates, and they vote for a third party, or decline to go to the polls, they certainly aren't "voting for McCain."
11:15 PM on 06/05/2008
I'm sticking with Hillary.

As far as picking another woman for VP.....women are interchangeable like auto parts. One cannot replace another.

Were the situation reversed, would Obama supporters be satisfied if Hillary picked another black man? Of course not.
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Artos
Down with Tyrants
06:43 PM on 06/05/2008
Obama is not on the spot except in the imaginations of those like yourself who like to create fantasies
of the mind. In your column you state a lot of onesided complaints. All of them supposedly perpetrated
Obama allies or supporters against Hillary. You don't mention her camps endless list of abominable behavior toward Obama, but of course his side started it first, right. You mention as a gross example of his attitude toward women the fact that he addressed a reporter as "Sweetie". I have been addressed women I have never even met before as " Honey" this or " Honey" that. Is that somehow different. Should
i also get insulted or could it be that I decided that perhaps this is just one of those idiosyncrasies of someone who just can't seem to come up with another way to talk to people. Women who decide to vote for McCain as a way to get even with Obama may find that they have created more problems for themselves.