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It's Not the "Administration's Debt Ceiling"!

Posted: 07/12/11 10:13 AM ET

I haven't weighed in on this for a few days as I thought it made more sense to watch things develop. But nothing much appears to have changed, even as we get closer to the deadline.

Still, my theory of the case remains this: it all comes down to a number game, and I don't mean dollars, I mean votes.

Boehner and of late, even McConnell, while seemingly immovable on revenues, do not want to be responsible for a default that could take a fragile economy back into recession. But their control over their caucus in the House is tenuous. Their intractability is at least in part, posturing to a) get a better deal (more cuts, less revenues), and b) appease the zealots.

The question is, how many House Republicans can they drag along at the end of the day to support a deal that will have at least some revenues? Team Obama/Biden, to their credit, have never wavered on this and that matters too, vote-wise. They can't get their caucus behind them without revenues in the deal, because, as the president pointed out yesterday, no revenues would mean putting everything on the spending side of the ledger, and that would do far more harm than good, both to the economy and to the people in it.

I believe the administration can get the Democrats behind a package that raises the ceiling and reduces the deficit somewhere between $1 and $2 trillion, includes something in the $500 billion range on revenues, takes on some sacred cows (entitlements), hopefully less on the benefits side than on the costs savings side.

It remains an open question whether Boehner can deliver on some version of the above, but man, he and his team are making it hard to stay calm.

Apparently, yesterday they introduced a new and particularly outlandish theme. From this morning's Washington Post:

Boehner suggested that the only concession Obama should expect from Republicans is a vote to allow the Treasury to continue borrowing.


"Most Americans would say that a 'balanced' approach is a simple one: The administration gets its debt-limit increase, and the American people get their spending cuts and their reforms," Boehner told reporters at a news conference before heading to the White House.

That is SO not the definition of negotiation.

I hate to go to the "all caps" place, but they leave me no choice.

IT IS NOT THE ADMINISTRATION'S DEBT LIMIT INCREASE... IT'S AMERICA'S DEBT LIMIT INCREASE.

Mr. Boehner, you've already accepted a budget -- the budget that's currently in place running the government -- that depends on raising the debt ceiling. You then voted for another budget -- the Ryan budget -- that also depends on raising the debt ceiling by trillions. And by dint of your position, you, among others, are responsible for the economic damage that failing to raise the ceiling will cause.

I've already explained my position on Cantor's canter from the table, but to take this position is to metaphorically walk away from the table.

One can only hope this is more posturing for leverage, but as the graph below shows, it's getting close to freak-out time.

(Note: got to give it up to a WaPo copyeditor who, riffing off of Obama's exhorting the R's to come to the table and "eat your peas," said that it's time to "give peas a chance."

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This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
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05:44 AM on 07/15/2011
And a very good reason you should just sit back...your opinion is very common and everyone has seen it a million times before.
05:20 PM on 07/12/2011
The top 5% by income already pay nearly 60% of aggregate federal taxes. If it's "America's Debt Ceiling," the ALL Americans need to share the burden of higher taxes, not just the "rich people" who make more than $200,000
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WarrenPease
Your interests are special, too.
05:28 PM on 07/12/2011
Here we go with aggregate figures. "Sharing the burden" comes in a real percentage of income, after the loopholes, and that leaves out the costs of necessities, i.e. food, clothing and shelter and the impact of regressive or "flat" taxes, i.e. sales tax and other taxes on consumption.
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TheJD
05:09 PM on 07/12/2011
DEBTORS' REVOLT is on its way. More and more join us daily.

I encourage all Americans to reject this rigged distortion of well-regulated capitalism and walk away from their debts, walk away from the banks, and let the financial sector quickly spiral into a desirable collapse. We've lost control of our country; time to take it back, Founders-style if need be.
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10:47 PM on 07/12/2011
Walk away from our paychecks too?
05:05 PM on 07/12/2011
The raising of the debt ceiling should not even be a consideration. The 2011 budget passed through both houses of Congress. That budget then become the legal document that stipulates how much will be spent and on what, period. Monies promised and already spent pursuant to that budget now require the debt ceiling to be raised. We all agreed that these monies would be spent. Now we're discussing if we're going to actually honor the legal agreements we made? We're now saying that even though we passed a budget through the proper channels, we're reneging on that and creating one out of backroom deals? And this is to inspire trust by We the People and international investors? Not a good way to do business on anyone's behalf.
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GoodNews
Re-elect Obama 2012!
05:04 PM on 07/12/2011
finally, the voice of reason...nice low-tech graphic
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Holymolly
Emotionally intellingent
06:16 PM on 07/12/2011
Believe it or not, it's too complicated for some. :)
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MassWG
04:53 PM on 07/12/2011
"... could take a fragile economy back into recession."

That is going to happen regardless of how this deal is negotiated. As soon as interest rates rise, a new wave of foreclosures will start. So politically speaking, the smart party should just give in and let the other party call the shots... then they can play the blame game more easily. Rationally speaking, they both should have done the deal YESTERDAY. It's one of the stupidest games of "chicken" our Congress has ever played. Why can't the deficit hawks concentrate on being jobs hawks for just a little while? Fix the economy first and worry about the debt later.
04:47 PM on 07/12/2011
Just say "NO" to raising the debt limit (period). Trim back the Federal Government. Here's a very straightforward way to do it:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/debt_ceiling_worst_case_scenario.html

This scenario does not touch Social Security (which the POTUS is now threatening to cut), does not touch medicare, does not impact military pay, and maintains the Federal prison system. Just about everything else gets a haircut back to 2005 levels (the year prior to the Democrats taking over the candy store, i.e., the Federal treasury).
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JessWonderin
04:57 PM on 07/12/2011
And I might add .. When the "dems took over thecandy store" the repugs had eaten all the inventory and run up thevendors credit lines .... Why can't bagged realize you cantfight two wars, pass unfunded Medicare Part D, and give huge tax breaks to the upper income brackets without expecting someone to have to cover it??? Are you that clueless?????
05:29 PM on 07/12/2011
Thanks, Pedrosian. I read that article too. I'm glad you put up the link, although I wonder how many will actually go there and read it. Americans need to wake up to the fact that they're being played for fools. When you do a little research it becomes obvious the problem isn't lack of revenue, it's too much spending. Obama's "blame the corporate jets" meme is a pretty transparent game. Blaming the other guy takes the focus of your own failings. The same with scare tactics: Pushing granny over the cliff, starving children, no Social Security checks, etc. The Brits have a great phrase for it, "the parade of the bloody stumps". Their Labor Party pulls the same stunt whenever their calls for tax increases are thwarted.
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Holymolly
Emotionally intellingent
06:20 PM on 07/12/2011
Left jabs, called left jabs.
04:37 PM on 07/12/2011
Thank you Mr Bernstein for a good article making a strong argument to stop the insanity.
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shrinkess
04:18 PM on 07/12/2011
This mess may not be about money at all, but about POWER. Money is the currency of power. These people in Congress are like a bunch of five year olds on the playground. Whatever happened to pulling together for the good of all?
04:13 PM on 07/12/2011
Thanks for reminding everyone that Obama didn't create this debt all by himself!
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Vic22
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04:11 PM on 07/12/2011
The congress keeps their 174k salary regardless of what happens to the economy, as long as they keep their constituents happy. They should tie thier salaries to economic outcomes, then I'd bet this issue would have been solve day 1
12:17 AM on 07/13/2011
I am with you on it, Vic22
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Makos62
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04:02 PM on 07/12/2011
The debt ceiling needs to be contained, that is without a doubt. The idea that the debt ceiling is the American people's is ridiculous. It is our elected officials, not ours. More and more of our hard earned money goes to Washington, and less and less is used for the American people, but funneled to corporations and our elected officials themselves. Both sides should be ashamed. Every budget, both Federal and State, should have a hierarchy for funding with the American people first and foremost. Corporate welfare and billions of dollars to other nations should never be considered until every American has food, shelter and a way to educate themselves.
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shrinkess
04:12 PM on 07/12/2011
Buth who elected those officials? and why?
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Makos62
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
07:22 PM on 07/12/2011
Unfortunately, the system is a set up. The parties push people on us and only give money and support to those that THEY want and no matter the outcome, we are stuck with their choices.
04:01 PM on 07/12/2011
Our "something for nothing" country, born in LBJ's "great society" has now come of age. To many people get to many goodies having never contributed a dime into the system. They don't know where the goodies come from, and they don't care. The politicos have trained them well.

The tipping point is at hand. The economy is a hopeless wreck and unions have made certain that we will never compete again world wide. The only solutions are massive devaluation of the dollar combined with inflation and increased interest rates. It won't hurt those riding in the wagon, they have nothing to lose. It will destroy the wealth of job creators and those who have lived with in their means. But to some liberals/leftist dems/progs, that's quite alright.
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SteveSFM
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04:19 PM on 07/12/2011
I think you managed to jam all of the far right's BS economic talking points in there. Well played!
UCR
I'm as empty as my micro-bio.
04:28 PM on 07/12/2011
You do have a poorly-worded point. There are a GREAT many recipients of welfare programs in the US that never have and never will contribute to its continuation. While a lot of people need government assistance, an equally great number merely live off of it because they have no incentive to do otherwise. Most people say welfare reform is necessary, but no one seems to be taking real steps to do it.
03:48 PM on 07/12/2011
I feel like I live in cartoon sometimes. Republicans ran up the National debt during the "good times" and now are insisting that we pay it off during the deepest recession since the Great Depression! When the Republican leadership stated years ago that their single focus was to make Obama a one term president, they appearently meant it. Even if it means destroying our delicate economy!
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istvan13
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04:11 PM on 07/12/2011
Your first fan...
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04:14 PM on 07/12/2011
McConnell said it again today, basically saying that this won't be solved until Obama is gone!
03:43 PM on 07/12/2011
Just say "NO" to raising the debt limit. There is plenty of money in the pipeline (from payroll taxes, alone) to service the debt, deliver social secuity payments, make military payrolls, and fund medicare. The problem is that we'd have to reduce spending to 2005 levels (the year before Democrats took over the Congress) and this would entail substantial cuts in education, energy, HUD, farm subsidies, etc., etc. Obama - a democrat addicted to spending other people's money - would just as soon resign as POTUS rather than administer cuts to sacred cow liberal agencies and programs.
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elkabong
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04:12 PM on 07/12/2011
"Liberal agencies and programs" spending hasn't increased since 2000.
Democrats became the majority in 2007 (the election was 2006).
President Obama's first year was using the budget signed by Bush.
Those are the facts. Opinions are not the same as facts.

If you want to point a finger, point it at conservative Republicans, not liberals or president Obama (who is no liberal). Here's an easy to read chart which makes clear who is responsible for our debt (here's a hint: they aren't Democrats):

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
04:18 PM on 07/12/2011
You are right on! We cannot as a country continue funding all the lazy cheating government run programs..If only half of the freeloaders(and we know who they are just as they know who they are) would at least make an effort to take care of their own,then our country would be in good shape.The problem nobody wants to confront is the generations of people who honestly think America owes them. Anyone who thinks that way needs to be put out of America for good,so the decent ,strong willed men and women can bring this country back to where it once was. My bro-in-law was fire chief for Richmond for thirty years and he told me he saw three generations of welfare recipients who never held a job in their lives,because the government paid the Mother a check for each child,and soon as they turned 18,they get another check! They never marry but shack up so they don't lose their welfare checks and all the other freebies. Makes me sick! Because for everyone of them ,their are about ten hard working men and women raising their babies for them People you know who you are and don't you feel ashamed? You should.You are useless.
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JessWonderin
05:01 PM on 07/12/2011
Now how many baggers want to cut your "fire chief" brothers retirement and Medicare ... And no doubt cut his civil service disability welfare checks????
12:05 AM on 07/13/2011
Tell your fire chief brother-in-law to get off the government teat. Hypocrite

http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2011/06/ayn-rands-poison-gop-faces-backlash-for.html

Some say that maybe it is a bad idea to base a political party's ideology on a belief that altruism, democracy and Christianity are "evil."

Others say that maybe it is a bad idea to base a country's policies on fictional novels rather than science and history.

Still others say is it a bad idea for national leaders to think of most of the public as "parasites" while saying people with tons of cash are "producers" who should govern. I am talking about the Republican Party's embrace of Ayn Rand and her cruel philosophy.