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The People Want Balance!

Posted: 07/20/11 09:34 AM ET

It's crunch time -- way past crunch time, really -- in the debt ceiling/budget debate. While partisans are sharpening their knives in preparation of administering a deep, self-inflicted wound, markets are beginning to lurch around, tanking on bad news regarding the deal and visa-versa.

According to a GS research report from yesterday, consumer confidence in June took a hit from the impasse, and "a large rotation by individual investors out of equities and into bank deposits in recent weeks also is consistent with greater nervousness over the possibility of a looming crisis."

So damage is actively being done by the unwillingness of House GOP legislators to accept a deal. Not to mention the most damaging aspect of this: the opportunity costs of sole focus by policy makers on deficit reduction in an economy where un- and underemployment is 16%.

The latest lurch is a plan from the "gang of X" (I think it's six, but it was five for a while, which we liked because we got to call them "Five Guys," a burger chain in these parts). Read about it here if you want, but I wouldn't get too attached -- like I said, we're deep into Lurchville.

The latest plan if notable, however, because the gang is bipartisan, and their $3.7 trillion deficit-reduction plan includes $1 trillion in new revenue. So it raises an issue I've stressed from the beginning, that of balance: without significant revenue in the deal, there's too much weight on spending cuts, and that creates more pain than gain.

What's also notable this AM is that the people agree. According to a new Washington Post poll, 62% believe some combination of revenues and cuts is the best way to reduce the deficit. Even among Republicans, close to half -- 46%-agree. And -- take not elected officials -- among those highly-desired Independent voters, it's 64%.

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This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
 
 
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04:50 AM on 07/21/2011
Jared, it's shocking that the Washington Post and Congress and the WH don't even mention the most effective method of shrinking the deficit during a recession. It's certainly not budget cuts, which are counterproductive during a recession, and it's not new taxes on the rich, which work better when the economy is growing. During bad times the most effective known method of cutting the deficit is, paradoxically, deficit spending targeted to increase employment and demand. It grows the economy, raises revenues, and shrinks the deficit. If we had 4% unemployment and eliminated the Bush tax cuts, including the capital gains tax cuts, the deficit would nearly disappear by itself.

The Gang's latest concoction is one more attempt to befuddle the public and prevent them from understanding that full employment is the best deficit cutter there is. Obama's misguided grand compromise and Ryan's lunatic plan are also attempts to hide the power of full employment from the public's view. These plans all privilege Wall Street at Main Street's expense. Don't contribute to this massive deception game by taking any of these kabuki plays seriously. None will really deal with unemployment and consumer debt, our real No.1 and No. 2 crises. The deficit "crisis" is merely a smoke screen to hide the real crises and protect banks and investors.
12:05 PM on 07/29/2011
When Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 on the rich, the revenues that ensued were 1/3 what was anticipated. When states raise the taxes on the super-rich in their state, the revenues again, are less than what was expected.

Raising capital gains taxes is a good way to reduce productive behavior and encourage less productivity. Perhaps reviewing the words of JFK, who spoke not for his era, but on truths about how economics works:

President John F. Kennedy:
"Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is A PARADOXICAL TRUTH that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.
04:34 AM on 07/21/2011
cut spending and get rid of the tax breaks...even my home mortgage deduction, child deductions...ALL of them...even for business too.
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SteveM39
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it
12:35 AM on 07/21/2011
The people want jobs and real wages.

Nobody knows what the debt is. Nobody knows what the debt ceiling is.

All they know is if they have a paycheck and if there is anything left after taxes.

They really don't care about anything else.

Since they aren't getting paychecks and they don't have enough left after taxes; they will vote against any incumbent.

It really is a simple system. We don't need a bunch of polls to tell us if we're poor or if we're angry.

Trust me. We are.
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nanoscare
12:30 AM on 07/21/2011
The problem being that Obama and the Gang of Six Conservatives think cutting taxes for corporations yet again in return for cutting a few more holes in the safety net is balanced.
12:10 PM on 07/29/2011
I have an idea. Let's tax the crap out of all evil corporations so that they do EXACTLY what GE is doing: moving their X-RAY Division to China and investing billions over there.

We can move all corporations out of America by simply raising their taxes (their cost of doing business) and nanoscare won't have to worry about a few more holes in the safety net.

The net will be ripped apart in a blender called the Federal Government.

That Financial guy was right, teach your kids Mandarin! America is so collapsing and we're all begging Washington to save us from...Washington.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
11:39 PM on 07/20/2011
I'll call your "a majority of Americans want their taxes raised poll" with "a majority of Americans think that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised at all poll", and raise you another "a majority of Americans think that threats about default are 'exaggerated' poll".

...I think you're bluffing... (snicker)
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
10:16 PM on 07/20/2011
We don't want balance, Jared, we want the rich and corporations to pay their fair share of taxes after not doing so for over 30 years.

I think the American people are tired of supporting wealthy welfare queens.
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Robert Terry
12:08 AM on 07/21/2011
Not sure where you get the ideal that the rich aren't paying. I think if you would do a little reseach you will find that the top 10% pay over 40% of total taxes. I am getting real worried about this class war fare the dems are into. It is doing nothing but spliting the country.
04:30 AM on 07/21/2011
That's less than they were paying under Reagan and even under Clinton. Time to get back to the good old days.
07:18 AM on 07/21/2011
You only call it class war when we fight back. The wealthy have bought this country, lock, stock and congress. We need fully public financed elections, voted on paper and counted by hand. Congress is wholly owned and kept on the wheel, the executive branch has entered into permanent war, and the judiciary has ruled that money is free speech. Wake up.
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noaxe397
07:40 PM on 07/20/2011
The president will come to a compromise with the GOP on the tax increase issue. The president will agree to cut the tax rates for the highest earners from 35% to 29% and raise taxes on the lowest earners by increasing their taxable income through loss of deductions and exemptions. See, who said the president wasn't able to get something out of these Republicans? Now THAT'S leadership.
06:06 PM on 07/20/2011
That means (by the poll numbers) that almost 2/3 of Americans want a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.

The politicians are not in tune with the public.
Especially the Repugs.
Then again, they rarely are.
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SteveM39
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it
12:36 AM on 07/21/2011
The only important poll for Washington is what the CEO's and wealthy think.
12:23 PM on 07/29/2011
Then get them out of this country and see tell us how much better life will be in America.

Who the crap do you think pays taxes? Who do you think hires landscapers, painters, contractors, home builders, tax accountants. Who buys large vehicles, boats, takes cruises, stays in hotels, tips waiters, buys fancy clothes from retailers that employ suppliers and part-time staff?

How do you get thru life by just hating the wealthy? Where would you rather they live? In what country would you rather they spend their money?

Would you be happier is the wealthy were homeless or hooked on drugs and breaking into your home and threatening you for your wallet?

Maybe if the wealthy had babies out of wedlock, they'd never have gotten rich. They could live off your taxes and they could DEMAND more of YOUR money!
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ExJxS
No longer responding to professional liars.
03:49 PM on 07/20/2011
Every time I hear one a Republican talk about what the American people want I can’t help but think, who are they talking to? I don’t know anyone that wants to see Social Security ended. And I know quite a few conservatives. I’ve never spoken to someone who wants healthcare to be something only the rich can afford. I’ve never spoken to someone who’s glad that their job was eliminated because they found someone in china to do it for a slave wage. I’ve never met anyone who wants their prescription cost to double, or triple.
I have, however, met a lot of people who are pretty upset that their house is now essentially worthless. And that some millionaire got a bonus for making it so. I’ve met a lot of people who are pretty upset that the school their children go to has had to cut programs, fire teachers and beg parents for donations just to keep the lights on. I’ve met a lot of people who are pretty upset that the roads they drive on, and the bridges they cross, are is frightening disrepair.
Here’s a thought, Republicans. If you’re talking to people who either want to suffer, or want to thrive while others suffer, maybe you need to talk to some better people. Maybe your go-to people are misinformed, undereducated or just plain sociopathic. Most of the country thinks people like that are dangerous and don’t ask them for advice.
04:16 PM on 07/20/2011
Indeed favved. I always wonder what "people" they are talking to as well

they m,ight as well say it for what it really is - it is what their corporate masters want
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ExJxS
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07:19 PM on 07/20/2011
They are the only ones that count, it would seem.
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cinmac
05:55 PM on 07/20/2011
Great post-and all the polls seem to agree with you. It's infuriating that most politicians on both sides aren't listening.
06:08 PM on 07/20/2011
The politicians are bought and paid for by the rich and corporations.

Most of them do NOT care about the ordinary American people EXCEPT to get their votes.
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Robert Terry
12:10 AM on 07/21/2011
They didn't listen when the vast majority of the americans didn't want obamacare but the didn't listen so why would you think they would listen now.
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02:29 PM on 07/20/2011
What's 'fair' about a 4:1 ratio? How about some meaningful tax increases on those who have benefited most from the tax cuts of the previous decade? And why is Social Security even part of the deficit debate? It has nothing to do with the deficit.

At the end of the day, we have a Democratic president proposing to pay for the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy, 2 unfunded wars and the unfunded medicare part D by cutting the social safety nets.

The answer to our deficit is much simpler: expire the Bush tax cuts and beef up revenues w/ government investment in a deficit-reducing jobs plan.
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Robert Terry
12:13 AM on 07/21/2011
yeah those jobs created or the ones they said they created (has not been verified with a respectable organiziation so we don't know) cost us $275,000 each. No thanks let the business create the jobs by getting the gov out of the way.
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07:19 PM on 07/21/2011
Businesses aren't in the business of creating jobs; they are in the business of making profits. Since July 2008, they have cut jobs in order to increase profits.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, over 2 million jobs have been created under Obama. That's a lot given that corporations got right down to the business of increasing their profit margins by, guess what? Cutting jobs, or off-shoring them. They had record-breaking profits in 2009, 2010, and continue to do so. Sorry, I haven't memorized the numbers, but I've seen plenty of reports about one company after another reporting increased profits following major lay-offs. I'm sure if you're really interested in the facts, you'll be able to find them.
12:34 PM on 07/29/2011
Jobs programs NEVER EVER work. Obama has spent money that has yet to be produced and you want more Obama "shovel-ready" jobs?? You wanna go there?

Are those jobs you're talking about union jobs, by chance? Is that what slow-speed rail is all about?

Pelosi and the Dems had every opportunity to unfund those wars you see as inconvenient. Obviously, 9/11 had a big impact on you. After the Bush tax cuts, tax revenues to the federal government increased...his average unemployment rate was 4.8%. It's nearly double that now after all this spending.

Here's JFK's thoughts on taxes and budgets:
"Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is A PARADOXICAL TRUTH that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."
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AllShookUp
Hug A Hater
01:57 PM on 07/20/2011
GOP motto: Starve America, feed a corporation.
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judibluiz
There is no planet B
02:06 PM on 07/20/2011
But of course - after all, the Supremes said corporations are "people" too.
12:37 PM on 07/29/2011
Funny. Unions seem to be immune to such criticism, are they? Members are REQUIRED to pay dues and the dues go to the Democrat candidate that the UNION chooses.

And you call that fair, right?
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Jonathan Lewis
Founder/Host, iOnPoverty
01:55 PM on 07/20/2011
Nicely expressed, Jared. I invite you to read my HuffPost blog "Poverty USA: The National Jobs Debt." I offer some additonal datapoints which will interest you. Thanks.
01:54 PM on 07/20/2011
Ask yourselves what should be the obvious question: Why isn't the defense budget on the table? The US is still spending at Cold War levels...way overkill...against whom, exactly?
01:52 PM on 07/20/2011
I usually like balance but since the poor have been shoveling their money to the rich for as long as I can remember, we've already ruined education and other good programs, I think the rich should kick in to offset what the people have already lost.
01:45 PM on 07/20/2011
The American people may want the matter resolved in the fairest possible way, but our congresspeople and president are too busy campaigning for 2012.