Jared Cohen

Jared Cohen

Posted January 14, 2009 | 05:22 PM (EST)

The Arab-Israeli Conflict: Why So Global?

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What is it about the Arab-Israeli conflict that makes it evoke emotion on such a global scale across such a diverse set of populations? I don't dispute that for Muslims, Jews and concerned citizens of the world, the Arab-Israeli conflict genuinely induces powerful reactions. But I often wonder about the magnitude and scope of this global outcry and why it seems to dominate other more local grievances like unemployment, restrictions on civil liberties, and corruption.

We all know the arguments. On one side of the spectrum, we hear about the fear and horror of daily rocket bombardments on Israeli cities and villages. We hear the traumatic stories from families who have lost love ones and live in fear of belligerent rocket fire and threats of suicide bomb attacks. On the other side of the spectrum, we are reminded of a stateless people who are living under difficult economic and social conditions. There are no shortage of heart-wrenching stories about the challenges Palestinians face in both the West Bank and Gaza. With the outbreak of the recent violence in such a densely populated area, Palestinian civilians have been caught in cross-fire. And, of course, there are those who blame both sides, arguing that the Palestinian and Israeli leaderships are responsible for perpetuating conflict that has claimed the lives of innocent civilians.

The diversity of views that exist is acceptable to me, but there are aspects of the global reaction I find perplexing. At times, I have remarked to friends that the further one goes from the epicenter of the Arab-Israeli conflict, the angrier people seem to be about it. Why do young people in Algeria, unemployed and living in poverty, tell me that their primary grievance in life is the fact that the Palestinians do not have a state? What makes 10,000 Indonesians march against violence in Gaza, but not Indonesian casualties at the hands of Jamaa Islamiyya or Al-Qaeda? I don't understand why thousands of Syrians take to the streets to support "freedom" for the Palestinians, yet not a single protest in Damascus pushing the regime for their own civil liberties? In Lebanon, the Al-Qaeda group Fatah al-Islam waged a deadly campaign inside of the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian camp, yet despite it taking place on Lebanese soil, I don't recall floods of protests into downtown Beirut. In Pakistan, thousands will amass in front of the U.S. consulate in Karachi with bricks and slogans against violence between Israel and Hamas, but not the almost weekly Al-Qaeda assaults inside their own borders. Why are Bangladeshi and Pakistani immigrants living in the UK angrier about the Arab-Israeli conflict than events in their home countries or the integration and inclusion challenges that more directly affect them? And why are tens of thousands of Persian Shiites in Iran filling out surveys and registering to wage a jihad in the predominantly Sunni Arab Gaza?

How does one account for the double standards, inconsistencies, and lack of similar activism around local issues that are illustrated by these questions? There is no single answer, but perhaps certain trends and contexts that help explain the phenomenon. The media is an obvious starting point. Al-Jazeera, Al-Manar, and other Arab media outlets are flooding the airwaves throughout Muslim communities with images from Gaza and the West Bank. The media plays on identity presenting these images to touch the hearts and minds of Muslims and non-Muslims throughout the world. Most of the people seeing these images do not live in the heart of the conflict and thus have a certain luxury to protest and demonstrate. For Muslim communities in Europe, this is particularly the case. Far away from home and poorly integrated into mainstream society, immigrant populations in Western Europe often struggle with the issue of identity. This challenge has led to a metaphorical feeling of statelessness that many immigrants experience. The imagery they see in newspapers, online, and on the television screen offer a visual connection between them and other Muslim communities. The outrage we witness via media is a convenient way for grievances to manifest themselves. This is not exclusive to immigrant communities in Europe; the same can be said for Muslim populations in Venezuela, which may explain why thousands marched in Caracas against Israel last week.

The barrage of images in the media, particularly during a period of fighting, ensures that the Arab-Israeli conflict is at the forefront of people's minds. There is no shortage of entities that seek to exploit this. Governments like Syria and Iran face serious economic, political, and social challenges at home. Fearing that any of these vulnerabilities could catalyze rebellion, insurrection, or protest, these regimes employ corrupt, autocratic, and repressive tactics to deprive their populations of rights and opportunities to mount any serious challenge, including a viciously controlled media. It is not surprising that these regimes view the Arab-Israeli conflict as an opportune issue that can divert attention away from their domestic shortcomings. The repressive leadership of these countries actively distract from their domestic deficiencies by pushing their population to focus anger, frustration and rage externally. I am sure Bashar al-Assad in Syria prefers the sound of "Oh Mubarak, listen, listen, the Arab people will not kneel down" to open critiques of his own regime. The Arab-Israeli conflict casts a convenient shadow of cover over their dubious activities.

This conflict is not a hard sell to the people of our world as the images seen on television are impactful and Muslims around the world identify with the plight of the Palestinians just as the Jewish people around the world have a similar reaction to images and news of rocket attacks and suicide bombings. Of equal importance is the fact that populations in repressive countries--normally restricted on freedom of assembly and speech--are permitted to speak out about this issue. In this sense, the conflict takes on a double meaning as the state often encourages such mobilization against Israel. In Syria, for example, the Assad regime does not permit freedom of assembly or speech, yet in the wake of the Israel/Gaza conflict, the regime relaxed these restrictions to create room for the population to speak out against Israel.

Where States do not stoke the organically felt sentiments in Muslim communities, non-state entities play the role of flame-thrower, agitator, and mobilizer on what they view as a winning issue. In places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia, groups like Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Jamaa Islamiyya use the global outcry in ungoverned spaces, urban slums, and impoverished rural areas to piggy-back on the emotion and recruit new members. They care not for the Palestinian people, nor do they advocate a peaceful solution; their sole interest is in seizing an opportunity for exploitative recruitment.

An amplified global outcry has led to a misperception that all the world's problems will be solved if the Arab-Israeli conflict is resolved. While this would be a tremendous achievement that would allow the world to move forward beyond a conflict that has perpetuated for decades, it is not the silver bullet solution. A Palestinian state will not create jobs in North Africa, it will not reduce poverty in South Asia, and it will not help Muslims in Europe integrate. By making the Arab-Israeli conflict a lynchpin for all the world's problems, we only fuel an inclination to use Israel and Palestine as the scapegoat for unrelated and local challenges across the developing world.

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What is it about the Arab-Israeli conflict that makes it evoke emotion on such a global scale across such a diverse set of populations? I don't dispute that for Muslims, Jews and concerned citizens o...
What is it about the Arab-Israeli conflict that makes it evoke emotion on such a global scale across such a diverse set of populations? I don't dispute that for Muslims, Jews and concerned citizens o...
 
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- Forest I'm a Fan of Forest 7 fans permalink

If the tables were turned and Israel was being pounded with US bombs causing 100's of civilian deaths would I not be hollering, STOP!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 01/27/2009

Arabs only demonstrated in such large numbers after they witnessed on TV the mass killing and collective punishment such as in the latest Gaza war, the 2006 Lebanon war, 2002 Janine Massacre, the 1982 Sabra & Shatila......
They were not demonstrating day and night every single day for the last 6 decades, plus they were occasionaly some demonstrations in some Arab countries against their regime, it's just not being covered in the news.
For Arabs, their biggest issue in their lifetime is the suffering of Palestinians, more than their lack of free speech at their country, that's why, that's the simple answer to the author question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 01/20/2009
- Samlas I'm a Fan of Samlas 11 fans permalink

I don't understand what the author of this article is trying to accomplish. Does he want the world to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the reality in Gaza and just focus on their immediate problems. Maybe they are concerned because their problems are so small compared to what the Gaza citizens are enduring. They are being bomed right in their own homes. Children are executed infront of their eyes. I am really disappointed with this article.Its a conyving way to belittle the attrocities and crimes committed by a Nation (Israel).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 01/18/2009

I think he is really upset that world opinion is starting to shift.
This is the age of internet, no matter how strong the Israeli propaganda can be, the images and videos that are reaching people all over the world tell it as it is. A massacre is being committed by the IDF, and people finally realized what is going on over there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 01/20/2009

TruthSeeker2009, where are you getting your information? How about getting information from reliable sources. Here, directly from the mouth of a former Palestinian terrorist. It's tragic that the media in this country is so biased. But if you truly want to know the truth, then have the courage to seek out all sources to find that truth. Israelis are doing what any of us would do to protect our nation from people who think so little of life that they sacrifice their young children for "the cause of Allah" :

http://www.shoebat.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 01/20/2009

Even though the author makes some good points about the extra interest around the Muslim world in the Mid-East conflict, he skips over the fact that what the Palestinians have been going thru for over 60 years now is actually an extremely grave situation. Maybe any Muslim or non-Muslim can easily see the brutality of this conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 01/18/2009

What I'd like to know is, where are the Arabs marching through the street chanting to stop the deaths of innocent Iraqi's killed by Sadr's forces? Where are the people marching through the streets when Iran stones someone to death, or terrorists in Pakistan kill innocent civilians? It seems quite hypocritical to march against Israel for defending itself, killing innocents in the process (something that has been done in war since the dawn of man), and not march against the legitimate targeting of innocents.

It's even more hypocritical that the media hyperfocuses on the civilian deaths caused by Israel, and not the civilian deaths caused by Hamas putting them in harms way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 01/17/2009

Hamas just REJECTED Israel's offer of a cease fire, just in case you people whining for sympothy for the Palestinian Terrorists have'nt heard. Why am I not surprised? Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO, whatever you call the Terrorists is this week ONCE AGAIN have chosen war over peace. Every time there was cease fire or treaty with Israel it has been these same terrorists who violated it FIRST and continually. and yet some still say Israel is the aggressor.

Palestinians have been offered NUMEROUS opportunites to reach a diplomatic resolution and even to form their own nation. 1919, 1947, 1978, 2006 and each and every time they have torpedoed or ignored the negotiations. Every time.

So please tell me why I should care if more Palestinians are dying. Obviously they dont want to put their rockets and human bombers away and talk peace so why should I care as an American who is neither Jew nor Arab if a few more Palestinians must die because Hamas is too stupid to negotiate? Lets face it. For every 10 Israeli's that die 1000 Palestinians will die so if you fools think you are WINNING this conflict take a look at your crappy neighborhoods, occupied territory, high body count on your side and then please tell me how Hamas is WINNING this for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 01/16/2009
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Its because Israel is losing! Each time Israel does this it loses he hearts and minds of millions of global citizens.

Soon the plug will be pulled on the "Blind Support For Israel" of previous US administrations.

If not Obama then someone else, perhaps the global economic downturn will signal the end of foreign aid to Israel or perhaps high oil prices.

Either way Israel will soon have to pay the piper, right now its just digging the hole deeper.

Russia, China, and Asia are the emerging superpowers and they don't share the US zeal for Israeli policies...

Have a nice day...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 01/16/2009

powercosmic "Russia, China, and Asia are the emerging superpowers "

Russia ( most) and China are in Asia. Basic geography knowledge should come before opinions on complex geopolitical matter.
Have a nice day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 01/16/2009

powercosmic "perhaps the global economic downturn will signal the end of foreign aid to Israel or perhaps high oil prices."

The isolationism movement in US has been eliminated on December 7, 1941.
Bush tried some of that nonsense in his election campaign( we're against Clinton's nation building). But 9/11 disabused him of that real quick.
U.S. is and will be involved in Middle East until the oil last. And U.S. will continue to support nations it is allied with or has common interests with.
Have a nice day of learning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 01/16/2009

NOTE

It is no longer the 'arab-israeli conflict'. It is now only the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Pan-arabism died in the late 1950s-1960s. By the 1970s, arab states began detaching themselves from the conflict with Israel and began focusing onimmediate, internal issues and policies and left it up to the newly formed Palestian Authority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 01/16/2009

Deika"It is no longer the 'arab-israeli conflict'.
Oh really?
I suppose that;'s why Syria hosts Hamas, Egypt allows weapon smuggling into Gaza.
That's why and Arab states are unwilling to give status to Palestinians who were born and raised in their countries.
That's why entire Islamic world awash in vile Antisemitism bordering on hallucinatory.
Because there' no more conflict. Think... think....
Granted, Arab countries are no longer willing to engage in direct military conflict with Israel, having been beaten time and time again. But the conflict is still there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 01/16/2009
- mikep I'm a Fan of mikep 11 fans permalink

MagisterLudi is quite correct. And in addition to the things he lists there is the little fact that numerous Arab nations are still in an active, formally declared state of war with Israel. Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran (I think), some others. It is an active state of war, and Israel certainly has the right to fight a way that they didn't start.

And to answer Jared's question as to why the bizarre and vicious global response, it's just anti-Semitism pure and simple. The fact is that the I-P conflict is one of the least violent of recent decades, with total casualties way, way below those of many other conflicts that get very little attention. If you ranked the conflicts of the past 60 years in terms of deaths and wounded the I-P one wouldn't even make the top 50, maybe not even the top 100. But people are using it as a way of diverting attention from their much, much worse violence. Anyone decent person can see how hypocritical is to demand prosecution of war crimes of Israel for killing a 1000 people while not doing the same for the US and UK for killing a million Iraqis.

Thank God Israel is winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 01/17/2009
- polaris12 I'm a Fan of polaris12 16 fans permalink

Similar questions could have been asked of South Africa during the apartheid regime. Why did so many people around the world feel offended by the racist regime in South Africa? I think, in the case of the Palestinians, there are three elements that inflame people: the injustice against the Palestinians, (it's the same feeling we get when we see a bully beating up a weak kid wearing glasses), the hopelessness of their situation in the sense that all the Western governments seem to side with Israel against them, and the impunity with which Israel acts - there seems to be no force, no moral authority that can moderate Israel's actions. People in country's like Algeria no doubt see their own helplessness reflected in the actions of Israel against the Palestinians. It is true that no jobs will be created in North Africa by settling the Palestinian problem, any more than jobs were created in Ghana by ending the South African apartheid regime, but it does give people hope that justice for the poorest amongst us is possible and removes a set of grievances that needlessly divides people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 01/16/2009
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

When any of us is treated unjustly, we all suffer a loss of humanity. When ones own government is a prime player in that mistreatment, it is especially painful to a moral person: he suffers as any true humann does with the loss of justice, and he has a sense of guilt for his (even though involuntary) contribution to the evil. And he suffers a sense of helplessness if he has no means to change the evil policy of his nation.
I am totally ashamed to be an American now. I have a feeling of hopelessness when I see the continuation of our old wrongful ways. I admire the South Africans for their miracle, but doubt its happening with the Israelis and Palestine. And I don't see America ending its vile ways. On the other hand, I never expected it to happen in South Africa either, so maybe (hopefully?) I am wrong.
No matter, we must keep trying. Even if we never win really, we must keep trying -- for the sake of our own sanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 01/16/2009
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

Once all things were local. Now business is global, so economics is global, so justice is global.
And people all over are concerned with justice. They recognize certain facts. It must be for all or it is for none.
Justice is not the same as law. A bad law is not just.
When there are conflicts to be settled, there are three ways of settling them: by free negotiations, court action, or power acting arbitrarily.
Whenever one party is stroing, it tends toward power. But no power remains strong enough to ignore world opinion forever. Eventually, that power will fail.
We all recognize right. Wrongful reliance on unjust laws or courts does not fool anyone. In its early days, the UN was dominated by US and UK power. So some actions then were not just. The world knows that although some refuse to see it.
No people has any right to abuse another, to take from that other its homes and properties, to subject another to its arbitrary whims, to dispossess another, to deprive another of the means to live freely as human beings, to malign, torture, oppress and murder another.
To allow such only breeds hatreds to plague the future. South Africa has shown how the way out. Both must recognize the claims of justice. And the injured party must be prompted to renounce vengeace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 01/15/2009

We are all united under one enemy, Arrogance and Imperialism, brutality and disregard for any laws.
We are united under the threat of pre-emptive strikes,shadow prisons and Two Ton cluster Bombs.
We are united against polluters and bank robbers that control our world.
We are all united and we are strong, Gaza is our fight against militarism and state Terror.
We shall overcome, We shall overcome

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 01/15/2009
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Israel should sort out its issues with its neighbors without MY TAX DOLLARS and without the support of the US Government, which is MY GOVERNMENT.

Israels actions are contrary to American Constitutional values of DEMOCRACY and EQUALITY, so those actions should be carried out without Americas support. Shame on those Americans who enjoy the benefits of the Constitution yet do not defend it out of cowardice.

America owes nothing to the world but to stand by its Constitutional values.

If the foreign aid we send to Israel and the weapons we provide were a matter that we American citizens could vote on, I personally would vote against providing Israel material, monetary, even diplomatic support. Israel would then find peaceful, non-racist, palestinian-integrating, solutions to its problems right-quick.

In the end, the entire region (including Israel) WILL BE a majority Arab region and these same Arabs have a RIGHT to govern themselves in any way they see fit. All this bloodshed and misery is just an effort to mitigate Arab influence as Americas economy erodes and its values crumble under the weight of the shame of disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 01/15/2009

Re."In the end, the entire region (including Israel) WILL BE a majority Arab region"

Ah, the old Arab revanchist dream.

Re."Shame on those Americans who enjoy the benefits of the Constitution yet do not defend it out of cowardice."
Exactly, those who support oppressive fundamentalism of Hamas vs. democratic Israel SHOULD be ashamed.
"MY government." Obviously not:
rasmussenreport:
(55%) of Americans blame Palestinians or the current situation in Gaza,
13% -- blame Israelis
(67%) support Israel's military action,
30% favor diplomacy.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/americans_closely_divided_over_israel_s_gaza_attacks

Ipsos/McClatchy Poll
1/6-12/09
Do you think that the use of force by Hamas has been excessive or is appropriate given the circumstances?"
Excessive 57%
Appropriate 18 %

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 01/15/2009
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Well you added Israel to THAT list not me.

I'm glad that you view Israels actions in the same light.

The difference is that the US does not provide support and DOES publicly condemn the actions of those groups and should do the same with the actions of Israel.

Good day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 01/15/2009

Do you support any foreign aid? What about the $2B the US gives to Egypt? The $10B so far given to Pakistan? Are you opposed to that? What about the many billions it costs the US to keep US forces in Europe? What are they there for? Who are they protecting? Shoppers on the Champs Elyses? US forces in Europe cost the taxpayers far more that the aid spent on Israel. Furthermore, the majority of US aid to Israel (90%???) is for Israel to purchase US military technology and weapons. Thus, the aid is really a benefit to the US economy.

I support US aid to Israel. Everyone in the US military who I've ever spoken to says the US gets more for its investment in Israel than it does for its investments anywhere else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 01/15/2009
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Well, unlike the Palestinians you are entitled to your opinions and your vote in America.

We American citizens should have a say in Israels policies if we are going to foot the bill, something that thus far we don't have.

You can quote polls all day long but Americans are about as ignorant about Israel and the middle east as they are about biblical history and biblical archaeology. But once the American Citizen is educated about this issue they will share my view, just as many other nations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 01/15/2009

So if I am understanding you correctly, because Arab governments use the Israel/Palestine issue to divert attention from their own domestic problems Israel has the right to imprison 1.4 million people in Gaza and the West Bank, control every single element of thier existence from how much water they get per day to whether or not they can get an asprin, expand settlements in Palestinian areas which displaces a pretty decent portion of the people living in the urban areas of Palestine are being killed as we speak, and conduct military operations on a constant basis that tend to kill, on average, 6 people for every individual targeted. Please sir, spare me.

about that, was not going to defeat Israel, they turned in varying degrees to ISlamic Fundamentalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 01/15/2009

"As many as 70,000 Palestinian refugees are squeezed into a square kilometre.
Violence is the norm, and escape is impossible.
Lebanese conscript soldiers... armed with M16 rifles, stand guard at the checkpoints leading into the camp.
Positioned behind them are fortifications made from tires and barrels filled with sand. They inspect the ID cards of everyone going in or out of the camp.
....Journalists, NGO workers, and foreigners have to get permission from the Lebanese military intelligence just to get inside the camp."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/12/syria.israelandthepalestinians
Anything wrong with this picture,. In a country controlled by defenders of ( some) Palestinains--Hezbollah?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 01/15/2009

But for Arab terrorism against israel coming from the territories, there would be no "blockade." If Hamas has agreed to 1) renounce terrorism; 2) accept Israel's right to exist; and 3) honor past agreements, Palestinians would be living a nice life in Gaza. When Israel lifted restrictions on the West Bank, Hamas quickly filled the void and began launching attacks from there. It would be suicidal for Israel to not monitor the borders -- just as Egypt and Jordan do because they, too, are threatened by Hamas terrorism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 01/15/2009
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 49 fans permalink

And the farmer hauled away another load.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 01/15/2009
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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is there a palestine in gaza? is hamas an elected gov't or are they fraudulent criminals who stole votes and intimidated for votes?

mostly tho...does it matter...since abbas suspended the palestinian unity gov't?

hamas beat the heck out of fatah - a power struggle - sent fatah packing to the west bank while hamas settled into controlling the strip.

13 days ago hamas was killing fatah in gaza city - killed 8. is this why fatah stays back? they know hamas is wrong and they can't do anything about it...why the foot dragging by arab neighbors? they seem to understand hamas better then we do and want to avoid them as much as possible.

why do the gazans allow them to exert such evil control or are the gazans hostages to hamas?

why is there never talk of the dissolution of the gov't? no talk of the 2 palestines and 2 parties and a perfect willingness to destroy each other for their parties?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 01/15/2009
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 49 fans permalink

Hamas is the duly elected Palestinian government in an election overseen by the Carter Center which said the election was the most fair and democratic of any they had witnessed. Fatah was voted out and discounted. Israel has refused to recognize the democratically elected government of Palestine and installed Fatah and Abbas, a cowardly collaborator, as their "partner". It's a farce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 01/15/2009
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what do u smoke? Hamas was elected in a legetimate elections monitored by the EU, carter center and approved by Israel and US, or is the US deinition of democracy, the election of a pro US leader?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 01/16/2009
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 23 fans permalink

What SHOULD be shocking is the Old World-style ghetto/prison camp conditions under which the Palestinians exist. Nice try at obfuscating the real facts but it doesn't work in the world outside the US. Sale old, same old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 01/15/2009

Speaking of obfuscating...

FROM 1948 until 1967 ARAB CONTROLLED GAZA, WEST BANK,JERUSALEM, NEGEV AND GOLAN HEIGHTS.

WHY NO PALESTINIAN STATE WAS FORMED?

Answer this question truthfully and the whole conflict become clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 01/15/2009

What SHOULD be shocking is the Old World-style ghetto/prison camp conditions under which the Palestinians exist"

Thank you for mentioning the Palestinian ghetto/prison camps in Lebanon. Good job!

"The Palestinians' Lebanese camps became ghettos as the Palestinians were barred from citizenship, finding jobs, traveling abroad, obtaining education, benefits or medical help, even in emergency."
"Palestinian refugees in Lebanon face specific problems. They have no social and civil rights, and no access to public social services."
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/21/lebanon.camps/index.html

EVER TOOK ISSUE AT THAT? NO? Oh, defender of (some)Palestinains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 01/15/2009
- jamilk99 I'm a Fan of jamilk99 12 fans permalink

So the problem is not what Israel is doing? The problem is that people around the world are finding out about it and are angry. I see now. So the rest of the world should have a media like ours in America that is blatantly biased in favor of Israel and equates the death of 13 Israelis (10 of whom are soldiers) with the death of over 1,000 Palestinians (more than half of whom are civilians)? If only the world would just shut up and let Israel do what it wants - oh yeah Israel already can do what it wants because America doesn't care (as long as AIPAC keeps funding our politicians) and keeps giving them weapons; it doesn't matter how loud the rest of the world yells as long as America keeps quiet about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 01/15/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 76 fans permalink

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 01/15/2009

Ever posted about total ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia NO? Why not?
Oh, righteous defender of ( some) Palestinains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 01/15/2009
- jamilk99 I'm a Fan of jamilk99 12 fans permalink

I'm not sure what that even has to do with this topic. You want to shift the topic to wrongdoings by Arab governments so as to ignore the massacres being perpetrated by Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 01/15/2009

The UN says that only 25% of the dead Palestinians are civilians. Get your facts straight. Furthermore, Hamas killed almost as many Palestinians (350) when it seized control of Gaza by force in 2007. More Palestinians have been killed by inter-clan fighting than have been killed by Israel. Only you don't protest those deaths. You only complain when Israel is defending itself.

Lastly, when Hamas uses women and children as human shields - by firing from and hiding behind civilian areas -- there are bound to be more civilian casualties. The death toll can only be blamed on Hamas and those who shelter them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 01/15/2009
- jamilk99 I'm a Fan of jamilk99 12 fans permalink

Ok so Israel, which is supposedly "the only democracy in the Middle East," shouldn't hold itself to a higher standard than Hamas, "a terrorist organization?" Under international law, Israel has a duty to "avoid civilian casualties" so it cannot just bomb apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, etc and justify the killings of dozens of civilians by claiming that a few Hamas members are suspected of hiding amongst them (nevermind the fact that Israel never proves this claim and bars journalists from entering the territory so the Israeli claims can be independently verified). Everytime Israel kills civilians, it simply says "oops sorry but Hamas member were nearby." Even if it were true, it is not an excuse. Bombing a densely populated area is not "avoiding civilian casualties."

The media has been reporting 13 Israeli deaths in this offensive but what they fail to report is that 10 of them were soldiers. Only 3 Israeli civilians have been killed by these Hamas "terrorist" rockets. Get real - these are homemade rockets that any high school student with a basic knowledge of physics and chemistry could probably make in their parents' garage. They're hardly a match for one of the most powerful militaries in the world. Yes, the rockets are stupid, inhumane, ndiscriminate and should stop but they cause nowhere near as much death and destruction as the American-made bombs being dropped on Gaza by Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 01/15/2009
- jamilk99 I'm a Fan of jamilk99 12 fans permalink

As of 2 days ago, 284 children and 100 women have died in Gaza. Once you add non-combatant men into the mix, you are nearing 500 which would half of the casualties. Even Huffington Post and some of the mainstream media has been reporting the death toll at close to one half.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 01/15/2009
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