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On Bailouts and Sports Cars


Reprinted with permission from Jason's email list

Today, Randall Stross takes apart Tesla Motors' request for a $400m government loan in an illogical, factually incorrect editorial that screams of a "Kill The Affluent!" ethos that spreads every time the market crashes. Putting aside the issue of bailouts--which many of you know I'm against--let's look at Stross' reasoning.

According to Stross, Tesla shouldn't get a *loan* because:

1. According to the title: "Only the Rich Can Afford It."

2. Battery pack life isn't moving fast enough: "But 8 percent, compounded, would bring too few benefits, too late to Tesla: it would take nine years to halve the price of its battery pack."

3. Randy says there is no upside to the loan: "Can you conceive any way that federal dollars could be put at greater risk -- and for no equity in return, keep in mind -- to benefit fewer people?"

4. Stross says the Tesla isn't ready for prime time: "its all-electric technology remains woefully immature and don't-even-ask expensive" and "The Roadster is not much more than a functioning concept car that sells for $109,000."

These points are all, well, somewhere between short-sighted and outright false, leading me to think that Randy's big problem with a *loan* to Tesla is that he needs to write a piece that appeals to the short-term sentiment of the country right now ("damn the billionaires!") rather than one that pursues the actual truth. Car technology needs to advance, and the best place for that to happen in in Silicon Valley. If the government is going to give loans to any car companies, it should be the ones that have the best chance of successfully innovating, not the losers who haven't competed for decades.

So, let's take a moment to fisk* Randy's story:

1. "Only the Rich Can Afford It. Should Taxpayers Back It?"

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Yes Randy, the first version of technology tends to be expensive. Personal computers used to cost $5,000, flat-panel TVs were $10,000 and--gasp--the first decade's worth of solar panels were not worth the price. You're a *technology* journalist at the New York Times. You understand all too well that expensive technology becomes commodity technology within 10 to 20 years of its inception.

Personal computers now start at $200. Of course the first version of an all-electric sports car is going to be expensive.

2. Battery pack life isn't moving fast enough: "eight percent, compounded, would bring too few benefits, too late to Tesla: it would take nine years to halve the price of its battery pack."

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Really?

If Tesla cuts the cost of the battery pack in half over the next nine years, they will have two choices: take about $20,000 off the price of the car or double the range to 500 miles. You correctly point out that Tesla over-did the battery range, as most folks are commuting way less than 100 miles a day. Ever wonder why they did this? Well, skeptics are obsessed with the limited range, and Tesla must fight the public perception that an electric car is not viable. You're, of course, exacerbating this problem with your column today--something you should really think long and hard about, since you're so wrong and you have such a big platform.

You, in fact, could be in the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car Part Two" as one of the contributors to the "It Can't Be Done" movement.

The fact is that Tesla could--right now--produce a car that is 1/3rd to half the price if they set it to go only 100 miles. In nine years, they will easily be able to produce a $40k car that does this. Is nine years too long to wait for this technology to reach the price point that 80% of the new-car-buying country could afford? I don't think so.

Your interpretation of the three central facts here--average commute, cost of the car and battery costs--all work about against your argument when you consider them holistically. You say in the same article that:

a) The Tesla is too expensive at $109k.

b) The Tesla's range is too far, and only needs to be 50 or 60 miles

c) That battery technology doubles in nine years at the slow estimate

Well, that all adds up to a reasonably priced car that goes a reasonable range today (100 miles), a reasonably priced car that goes a very nice range in four years (say 150 miles), or a cheap car that goes an absurd range in less than 10 years (250 miles). Your own data would lead any reasonable person to the conclusion that Tesla is well on it's way to an affordable electric car.

What's the problem here exactly? You're saying that America could have a brand new startup car company that produces an affordable car that goes an absurd range just 10 years from now? The cost is a $400 million dollar loan? You're problem with this is what?

Also, Tesla has publicly stated that they are pursuing a flagship--or tent pole--release of their cars. This means they start with the sexy, fast and expensive car for affluent folks, then move on to the sexy sedan for middle income folks. Finally, they take all the technological advances from these two models and move them into the affordable car for everyone.

This is, in fact, the best practice for the automotive and technology industries--you, of all people, know this! How do you think it's possible for cars under $30,000 to include GPS,antilock breaks, and air bags? Those items were once reserved for only the most elite cars, as you well know.

Why is what's good for Intel, GM, and countless other tech and automotive companies so bad for Tesla in your mind?

3. America has no upside from the $400m loan.

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First, these loans come with a very innovative concept: interest. The country would get *interest* on the loan. Second, the country gets added value from the following:

a) Sustainable, high-paying jobs for potentially thousands of Americans

b) Those employees spending money, buying houses and paying taxes

c) Tesla licensing its technology to other non-US companies (as they are *already* rumored to being doing with Mercedes)

d) Who says Tesla can't give the country warrants on two percent of their stock as an added bonus?

e) The country would not need to send mountains of cash to the Middle East

f) Smog levels would drop, and with them massive health care costs associated with smog

g) We would be doing our part to slow down global warming (and every bit counts)

That stock kicker in (d) above I just invented. Perhaps all the companies we give loans to should be required to give a two percent preferred share stock bonus to the United States in exchange for originating their loans? That could be an amazing bonus.

4. Tesla isn't ready for prime time: "its all-electric technology remains woefully immature and don't-even-ask expensive" and "The Roadster is not much more than a functioning concept car that sells for $109,000."

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I own the number 16 production car of the Tesla, and I've been driving it for two weeks now. Anyone who owns the car can tell you that a) it is not "woefully immature" and b) that it is not a "concept car."

The Tesla has been through many crash tests. It has air bags and, yes Randy, even a cup holder. It is a thrill to drive, safe and dependable. It gets the range it reports and the early owners have been delighted with the refinement of the car and the lack of problems. You are flat-out wrong when you say it's "woefully immature" and a "concept car." It's a production car and when compared to my two other cars--a Mini Cooper and a Corvette--it blows them away. How Tesla could create a car that competes with two cars that have been in the "Top Ten cars of the year" for the better part of the past 10 years is just mind-blowing. You and the New York Times should really alter these incorrect facts in the article.

Question for Randy: on what basis do you label the car "woefully immature?" Here's what other publications said (I found these in five seconds on Wikipedia--why didn't you?):

Road and Track: "The Tesla feels composed and competent at speed with great turn-in and transitioning response."

Motor Trend: "undeniably, unbelievably efficient" and would be "profoundly humbling to just about any rumbling Ferrari or Porsche that makes the mistake of pulling up next to a silent, 105-mpg Tesla Roadster at a stoplight."

Slate: "A week ago, I went for a spin in the fastest, most fun car I've ever ridden in--and that includes the Aston Martin I tried to buy once. I was so excited, in fact, that I decided to take a few days to calm down before writing about it. Well, my waiting period is over, I'm thinking rationally, and I'm still unbelievably stoked about the Tesla."

5. Factually Incorrect: Tesla is asking for help producing a rich man's car. --------------------------- Yet another factually incorrect statement Randy. Tesla is NOT asking for a loan to build the Roadster. They are asking for a loan to build a second, family-friendly, $60,000 version of the car called the Model S. The Tesla production run and technology is already paid for--Tesla has said this over and over again.

You know this, yet you spun the entire article with the headline "Only the rich can afford it." Only the rich can afford a $60,000 car? Really? I'm sure you make at least $80 to $120,000 as a New York Times writer, and your book advances have to be well into the six figures. Guess what, you can afford the Model S!

Finally, Tesla isn't asking for a handout, they are a asking the tiny, tiny piece of an incentive program from 2007 called the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Incentive Program that was designed to give large automakers support in developing more energy efficient vehicles.

How did you miss this basic fact in your article? It's not a bailout--it's a loan that is part of an existing program for just this purpose! If we are going to give a loan for advancing vehicle technology shouldn't we give it to the only company which has actually produced 100% electric cars? How about the company that has over 1,200 orders for those cars? How about the company that has gotten absurd reviews from the press for their extremely capable car--a car you, and only you, call a "woefully immature" kit car.

How could pack so much bias, incorrect facts and absurd conclusions into one article Randy?!

6. Some perspective please!

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Randall says "Can you conceive any way that federal dollars could be put at greater risk -- and for no equity in return, keep in mind -- to benefit fewer people?"

Sure, how about the Iraq war, which costs around $400m a day--dollars that we have no chance of ever seeing again (as opposed to a loan, which is paid back with interest).

Your editorial should have started with this fact: if we leave Iraq a week early, we can give two billion dollars in loans to *five* electric car companies. That's your lead right there, Randy. That's leadership, that's the truth and that's your job as a journalist. Not this "damn the billionaires" crap. In fact, the billionaires in this country have done a hell of a lot (see Gates, Buffet, Turner and countless others)...But that's for another email. Let's get back on the subject.

You need to put things back in their proper perspective instead of obsessing about the fact that some of the investors in Tesla are really rich, that the first version of the car is slightly more expensive than a luxury car, and that battery power is *only* going to *double* every ten years.

You really should rewrite the editorial and give the public a fair world view instead of one warped by some short-term populist propaganda. Tesla isn't about rich Silicon Valley guys in sports cars: it's about extracting ourselves from the environment-killing, human-rights violating, terrorist-supporting regimes in the Middle East. The only reason we deal with countries that suppress women and homosexuals and give money to terrorists who kill based on a religion is because we are dependent on their oil. If we didn't need their oil, we would treat them like we treat other rogue regimes--isolate them until they got their act together.

Companies like Tesla are the direct path to our independence from such treachery.

In Conclusion

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The reason I bought the Tesla was to help fund the Model S--and because I like things that are fast, sexy and high-tech. I'm a proud sports-car loving technophile American and it gives me great joy that the best sports car money can buy is produced by an American company that is paving the way to independence from dirty, foreign oil.

I've already committed to buying the 16th Model S (Tesla lets you get to keep your production slot in future models), and if another company makes a better electric car, I'll replace my Mini Cooper with that. Supporting American technology companies is one of the most patriotic things you can do--the technology industry is the reason our country has such a high-standard of living and why we can afford to spread the democracy virus around the globe.

You should be proud of Tesla and support them, as well, because if Tesla gets the *loan* (a loan, not a gift), you just might be driving an electric car built in the United States by American workers. That consumer purchase is a vote which, once cast, will help us shift our interactions with the Middle East back to condemning them for violating basic human rights instead of our dual-headed approach of insincere appeasement and inappropriate force. That approach hasn't been working out to well, has it?

Good luck rewriting the article--which you or another New York Times journalist will wind up doing in another two or three years, I'm sure.

ps - If you're ever in Santa Monica lets drive the Tesla down to the Promenade and you can see first hand what normal Americans think of the car--they love it.

* Fisking: The act of delivering criticism on a line-by-line basis established by conservative bloggers to check the British journalist Robert Fisk.

Reprinted with permission from Jason's email list Today, Randall Stross takes apart Tesla Motors' request for a $400m government loan in an illogical, factually incorrect editorial that screams of a...
Reprinted with permission from Jason's email list Today, Randall Stross takes apart Tesla Motors' request for a $400m government loan in an illogical, factually incorrect editorial that screams of a...
 
 
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RobertHenryEller
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08:32 PM on 12/07/2008
My only question on the loan would be: Assuming the company has a viable business model, and any investment makes sense, how should the government structure its investment for maximum return to taxpayers. I understand that, on the upside, a successful electric car technology would have great positive economic potential for the economy. But, and this has nothing to do with the Tesla investment/loan per se, it seems that the government has been putting money into private companies is ways and for returns that private investors would not. So, I'm not saying the government should or shouldn't invest in Tesla, or any other company, or in banks or other financial entities. But I think that the government should, if it's putting money into any company, particularly if it has to, to achieve Keynesian macroeconomic results, still act with the same probity and still negotiate and get a deal certainly no worse than what would be and is demanded by any sovereign wealth fund, hedge fund, venture capital fund, private equity fund. Otherwise, my question is this: If the deal is so good, why is it even available? In other words: If it's so go, why aren't the private equity guys all over this? Several hedge funds and private equity funds are sitting on billions of dollars they've taken in but not deployed. My economic education tells me that if this deal is so good, a rational private investor or syndicate of investors would be all over it.
01:34 PM on 12/02/2008
More executive drama at Tesla - http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/02/breaking-tesla-motors-svp-darryl-siry-switches-off/

Poor Cali will be out their tax break benefits soon.

Hype doesn't build cars. Knowledge, experience, and work do.
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12:57 PM on 12/02/2008
Above all, don't let Detroit acquire Tesla. Ford acquired Volvo and subverted an all-electric prototype to a damned hybrid.
04:10 PM on 12/01/2008
honestly what a load of crap. I hate this argument that new techologies a inefficient a shouldn't be persued, that was the "logic" that killed the electric car in the 80's. I'd rather give tesla the loan then the big 3. They've demonstrated that they are innovating in exactly the fashion the country, no, the world needs to follow
05:18 PM on 12/01/2008
Tesla does not make electric CARS. They make toys for boys that happen to have a huge battery on the inside. Not the same thing by a long shot.
01:54 AM on 12/02/2008
I've owned an electric motorcycle with only a 20 mile range. I used it every day for a 5 mile round trip to the stores. I loved it. Just plug it in, never visit a gas station, quiet, reliable, cheap. How often do you drive over 200 miles? Rent a car for that.
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SShaw490
A man hears what he wants and disregards the rest
06:07 PM on 12/01/2008
The Tesla is a car the big 3 can build but won't - for the simple reason that it's impractical to own a car that has an absolute limit to how far you can drive from your home. Even IF (big IF) the Tesla would actually go 244 miles in real world conditions, that gives you a radius of absolutely no more than 100 miles that you can go before you turn around. Again, if you can afford $100K for a car with that extraordinary limitation, have at it - but the Big 3 won't build such a thing.

No matter how much people protest, the Tesla is a toy for rich people. I'm glad they're making it and I applaud anyone who is willing to live within its limitations, but it's an overwhelmingly impractical car for the average American.
12:45 AM on 12/02/2008
Impractical for the average American? Are you serious?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/28504/Workers-Average-Commute-RoundTrip-Minutes-Typical-Day.aspx
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12:56 PM on 12/02/2008
False.

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The Tesla is a car the big 3 can build but won't - for the simple reason that it's impractical to own a car that has an absolute limit to how far you can drive from your home.
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Charging facilities are far less difficult to add to the electrical grid than fueling stations are to build, and those are plentiful. The absence of charging stations is a *result* of the absence of electric vehicles, not an intellectually valid *cause* to prolong that absence.

The decision-makers in Detroit have none of the courage required for innovation and you are just parroting Big Oil memes that have been thoroughly disproved, repeatedly.
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radmul
04:08 PM on 12/01/2008
If it is such a great deal why are the venture capital techies not falling all over themselves to provide the money. This is a small amount of capital that would be readily available if the company was any good at all.
03:13 PM on 12/01/2008
I think of Tesla as a forward thinking company that should get a loan. It is one company that is living the future green technology. I agree with Calacanis, sure it costs more now but the price will come down and Telsa could be the future leader of the automotive industry in the USA.

It is better to invest in companies that see the future clearly than ones who live in the past.
03:26 PM on 12/01/2008
Why don't YOU give Tesla a loan? I am sure they will gladly take your money and your order, all at the same time.
03:39 PM on 12/01/2008
I think the problem with the "costs more now but the price will come down" argument is that even with these high prices, Tesla is still losing tons of money.

Tesla is a long way from proving they have a viable business plan and the leadership necessary to survive in the manufacturing world.
05:21 PM on 12/01/2008
Sadly they have picked the one corner case of the automobile industry (luxury custom cars) where individualist with money can do business... and they messed even that up. That does not look very good on management's resumes since there are tons of small businesses which make a very good living with that business model already.
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feo
huh?
03:12 PM on 12/01/2008
We'd better start asking some questions about exactly what sort of capitalism we have when everything but health care is subsidized by the government.
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gevan
big dubya
03:42 PM on 12/01/2008
The word is "preditory".
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SteveDenver
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03:47 PM on 12/01/2008
"predatory"
03:48 PM on 12/01/2008
it is not capitalism, it is nationalizing business
02:55 PM on 12/01/2008
Let me be clear before I make my point that I have nothing against;
Clean cars
Electric Cars
Tesla motors
My point is that there is a difference between my government and a venture capital investment company.
Mr. Calicanis makes an excellent case for a venture capitalist or firm to invest the 400 million Tesla motors wants. I don't believe the government needs to do it. If we allow every good or laudable investment to be made by the government why would we even need private venture capital?
Think about it.
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
03:51 PM on 12/01/2008
Thanks for making this point. I was thinking along the same lines, but couldn't articulate it.

I really look at it as Bush's last chance to squeeze money out of government and into the pockets of his well-heeled friends. We will be paying off our generosity to war contractors, banks, and anyone else who sucks off the teet of taxpayer money, for about the next 80 years.

Could a couple of enterprising young hackers please drain the assets of the super-rich? Thanks.
10:33 PM on 12/01/2008
The way I see it is if you give money to the big three, they will take the money and go back to doing business as they always have. If you also give some money to smaller start-ups with potential, the big three will be more inclined to step up to the plate. Do not think of the 400M as a loan to a start-up, but as insurance for the big 3 to start giving a damn.
02:22 PM on 12/01/2008
Tesla is not just wishing for better battery technology, they are aware of a specific battery revolution that has taken place in the last 2 years. That is the A123 Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries and other new generation lithium cells.

The A123 Cells can output 120AMPs at 2.5Volts, about

300Watts for a "C" cell sized battery.

5 watt hours per battery.

5 KWH battery pack requires 1000 cells.

1000 cells output 300KW peak. about 66% gets to wheels, about

200HP.

70Kg about 160lbs

about 5000$ for the pack.

These batteries are good for 350k miles 5KWH pack, 25 miles plug in hybrid.

A123 NanoPhosphate cells are safer, more powerful and last a lot longer:

http://www.a123systems.com/applications/plug-in-hybrid

The Magnesium cells are cheaper but more fire prone and less powerful.
05:22 PM on 12/01/2008
It's not the size of your battery that matters. It's how you use it. I think Toyota proved that once and for all.

:-)
01:47 PM on 12/01/2008
My first real Calacanis experience. And it was very good... strong work man!
NightflyLester
Raconteur, Media Gadfly, Philanthropist
01:46 PM on 12/01/2008
The Detroit 3 are taking a page (if not an entire chapter) from Microsoft's playbook when the Open Source movement started gaining traction.

Create enough FUD (fear,uncertainty and doubt) about an alternative business model and technology and you can not only unfairly step on the back of your competitor, stifle innovation (at least what you haven't pilfered by throttling widespread acceptance) but also make millions in the process.

Well played, Motown.
04:06 PM on 12/01/2008
You're forgetting that motown played this card something like 70 years ago, when Henry Ford refused any additional innovation/expansion on his currently dominant model-t line, which had all but squashed market competition. The result was an influx of open minded business men that almost Ford out of business, and forced the old man from his post as president to allow some fresh ideas in the room. Let's hope we see a repeat.
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01:34 PM on 12/01/2008
seems to me that if we are pretending this is a "green" car instead of a vanity project, then it should come bundled with mandatory solar panels for recharging the battery. we need to support the complimentary point of use renewable energy generation, the "net zero structures," and the rechargeable electric car as a total revolution, not just put one piece of the puzzle out there.

if solar (or microwind) recharge were a mandatory part of the Tesla, i would support a government loan. if not, it's just one more fossil - fuel - guzzling nightmare, albeit coal rather than oil (or wilderness-destroying Big Wind and Big Solar, which our environment also cannot sustain).

let's get it together, and work on real change. point of use solutions are the answer.
02:07 PM on 12/01/2008
We have to work on all aspect of the energy problem at once.
03:29 PM on 12/01/2008
Indeed. Except that this isn't working on our energy problem. This is all about the ego of a couple thousand potential buyers who have the money to buy a luxury toy.
01:31 PM on 12/01/2008
I would rather see the government loan a company such as Tesla $400 million, knowing that there's a pretty decent chance of getting a return (interest) on the money, instead of shelling out trillions to banks, basically paying for their greed and stupidity; that have lost the money we personally gave them to safeguard. (Why people aren't more pissed off is beyond me... )

I remember seeing advertisement for Microcomputers in the late 60's going to $30-50K with less power than the average Timex wristwatch. (16K memory with a 4 bit processor was real expensive back then), Now you can buy a hundred computer 1000's of times more powerful for about the same amount. It's very short sighted and kind of moronic to think that Tesla is only for the rich, with the large number of people I see driving E & S class Mercedes out here in Jersey. Electric cars also have a much lower probability failure than a regular ICE car. With very few moving mechanical parts, the car may cost more at first, but maintenance costs will almost be nonexistent; (i.e. breaks, tires, and the big one batteries.)
03:31 PM on 12/01/2008
The money spent on minicomputers in the 1960s was money well spent because they were used for science and commerce and returned their money tenfold. A Tesla roadster OTOH is only used for one thing: to impress shallow neighbors.
01:18 PM on 12/01/2008
i couldn't agree more! exactly what i was thinking as i read this piece, but much more effectively articulated. thanks for writing this.
12:48 PM on 12/01/2008
Force GM into bankruptcy and let some investors buy it and hand over control to Tesla.
03:32 PM on 12/01/2008
Tesla can't even manage to make their own toy cars. You really think they could figure out how to make a real car?
04:09 PM on 12/01/2008
That will change. Currently Teslas are assembled by Lotus (the Tesla Roadster is a heavily modified Lotus). However they have already announced a plan to build their own manufacturing plant right here in the US (California). Unlike the Big 3 who are building more cars in Canada and Mexico. It wouldn't make sense for them to have their own plant and the high overhead costs, until they are ready to build a more mass market vehicle.