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What Happened to Data-Driven Education Reform?

Posted: 11/15/11 09:17 AM ET

"The path to real reform begins with the truth," stated Education Secretary Arne Duncan in 2009 during an education forum with the Data Quality Campaign. Sec. Duncan, who argues that policymakers should use "data to drive reform," strongly believes that education policy should be "framed by evidence."

We agree.

So why is the secretary reacting so negatively to evidence about teacher compensation? Writing in the Huffington Post on Wednesday, Sec. Duncan shifted from data to emotion, stating that our report on the compensation of public school teachers "insults teachers and demeans the profession."

He is referring to a section of our report showing that traditional skill measures, such as years spent in school or level of degree obtained, do not provide an accurate salary comparison of teachers to non-teachers. Although public school teachers earn less, on average, than similarly credentialed non-teachers, the wage penalty disappears when teachers and non-teachers are compared using objective measures of cognitive ability, as opposed to years of university education.

Our report is a long and detailed analysis of salaries, fringe benefits, and job security for current public school teachers, intended to add to the state of knowledge regarding teacher pay and education policy in general. It is exactly the kind of research Sec. Duncan should find useful to inform the on-going conversation about reforms that would better reward effective teachers. Our results are clear: Teacher salaries are at roughly market levels, but generous fringe benefits and job security push teacher compensation well ahead of comparable private sector workers.

Sec. Duncan leveled two specific charges. First, he writes that we "exaggerated the value of teacher compensation by comparing the retirement benefits of the small minority of teachers who stay in the classroom for 30 years, rather than comparing the pension benefits for the typical teacher to their peers in other professions."

That is false. While we did use a 30-year veteran teacher as part of a simple example to begin our pension discussion, our actual estimate of pension values is based on the "normal cost" of providing benefits. This is the contribution to the pension fund that actuaries have decided is needed each year in order to have enough money to pay benefits in the future. Actuaries take into account many factors, including the fact that some teachers do not stick around long enough to collect benefits. So our estimate is a true average of what teachers collect. If we actually did what Sec. Duncan suggested we did -- counting only teachers with full 30-year careers -- the pension value would be much higher than what we report.

Sec. Duncan also says that we "appeared to create out of thin air an 8.6 percent 'job security' salary premium for teachers -- despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of education jobs were lost in the recession and teachers continue to face layoffs."

Job security is not the same as a job guarantee. Of course some teachers have lost their jobs, but the data on unemployment show that, over the last decade, public school teachers were only half as likely as workers in other white collar occupations to become unemployed. That extra security has a value, and our paper describes in detail our method for quantifying it.

Aside from Sec. Duncan's sudden aversion to unwelcome data, what is most disappointing here is the lost opportunity to find common ground. We agree with Sec. Duncan that a much more flexible, performance-based teacher compensation system needs to be implemented, to reward effective teachers. Let's also agree to be consistent in pursuing evidence-based reform.

Andrew G. Biggs is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Jason Richwine and Lindsey Burke are senior policy analysts at the Heritage Foundation.

 
"The path to real reform begins with the truth," stated Education Secretary Arne Duncan in 2009 during an education forum with the Data Quality Campaign. Sec. Duncan, who argues that policymakers shou...
"The path to real reform begins with the truth," stated Education Secretary Arne Duncan in 2009 during an education forum with the Data Quality Campaign. Sec. Duncan, who argues that policymakers shou...
 
 
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11:14 AM on 11/17/2011
Did you take into account the fact that 49 percent of current teachers do not pay into Social Security for your comparison. In other words, did you compare apples to applies?
08:58 AM on 11/16/2011
We do not make things anymore? How about giving what used to be called vocational arts more respect. ?

At the secondary school level, make wood shop or metal shop a required course.

At the university level .

If we must continue to have athletes who are not college material playing on college teams, there should be a faculty of technical and vocational studies leading to (say) a bachelor of technology degree establishe­d as part of the university .”
03:28 AM on 11/16/2011
Data driven Educational reform died in the early 90's when the AAUW(American Association of University Women) willfully lied, made up data to claim there was a "girl crisis" when none existed. Leading to a very real "boy crisis", or rather to an Academic "War on Boy's. As the cry for "Girl's need more help", translated to the female dominated educational establishment as "it is time to beat little boy's to a pulp and deny them an equal education".
09:48 PM on 11/15/2011
There are two things that bother me about many of these "objective" analyses of educator salary and benefits. First, there is this attack that teachers are not equal to their private sector counterparts "using objective measures of cognitive ability." I find that to be simple bunk on two fronts. First, measures of cognitive ability can and do ignore multiple intelligence. We are a society that assumes that people who are good at math and science are somehow more intelligent than everyone else. I have been pretty well-rounded between STEM subjects and Humanities and know from academic study and experience that there are people who are gifted in areas other than STEM subjects. The ability to relate well to people is an underestimated form of intelligence. Second, people with strong "cognitive ability" have a harder time relating to people who do not have that same ability. An analogy may illustrate. Michael Jordan has high basketball ability, yet he has been terrible as an evaluator of talent. How many Hall of fame athletes have also been great coaches or evaluators of ability? In my time teaching I have known some brilliant people and some not so brilliant people. I think this exists everywhere. Using data is great, but any look at "objective measures of cognitive ability" must include some follow-up qualitative study, which could provide a clearer picture as to the skill set that is needed in teachers.
08:57 PM on 11/15/2011
Saying that teachers are under qualified and overpaid is just more right wing drivel to place the blame on teachers and their unions in an attempt to dismantle the public system of education. As a researcher, I can tell you it is easy to manipulate numbers and data to support an argument. Don't let them fool you.
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08:55 PM on 11/15/2011
Your report is slanted to your political bias. You claim objectivity, but from what I read, you pick and choose the data that bolsters your arguments. You compare teaching to other occupations, but the job you describe and it's working conditions, pay and benefits is not public school teaching. It's unrecognizable.

I don't see in your report where you take to account unpaid work hours that teachers put in. The report had teachers working under 37 hours a week. You assume teachers are working ONLY when students are in the room, which is laughable. I don't know of a single teacher, not one, who works under 50 hours a week. Not one.

You also don't take in to account that some teachers give up their SSI benefits if they take a teacher retirement on the WEP offset. No, it's not a nationwide problem, but it still includes 10s of thousand of teachers. With my WEP offset the 25 years I paid in to SSI is lost. That's a pretty big benefit deduction.

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raggedhand
09:16 PM on 11/15/2011
You assume job security is a benefit of 8.5%. Again, half the teachers in the US are in right-to-work states and assuming otherwise shows your bias. We have had a lot of layoffs lately in my non-union state, but then, we ALWAYS have layoffs, even in good years. Every year classes are changed and added as demographics and state mandates change and as a result teacher contracts are not renewed. In big cities the turnover can be very high. You might not call that a layoff, but the end result is a teacher looking for a job.

Another problem that I see is that you compare the wages of experienced teachers with the wages of inexperienced non-teachers. You reported that if a teacher left teaching they'd make less money in their new careers. Well, sure we would. Anyone making a career change competes against the new people in the gaining career, not the experienced ones. You should be comparing the wages of a 20 year vet in (say) accounting with a 20 year career teacher. Do experienced non-self-employed people in equally rigorous fields get paid more or less at the same career point? I don't know of any who get paid less than teachers, not social workers, government workers, nurses, police, or accountants.
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08:50 PM on 11/15/2011
Make no mistake, the data used by way of standardized testing is essentially worthless. It has 40% margin of error, limited scope in evaluating teachers as many are not accountable to the test and it is culturally biased. These tests are also poorly written. They lack higher thinking skills and continuity. You'd think the cost of these tests would include an accurate measure of the skills students have and be orchestrated around a child's improvement since so many come to class in need of remediation. I get a sophomore who reads at a 2 cd grade level and it's all my fault he is only up to 5 th grade after a few months in my class. I perform a miracle and pay for the circumstance of the kid's life. His weak teachers in the past, the fact that his parents speak another language or he is in a gang. All on me. The one person who cares about his education , his teacher, is being targeted to cut costs so the bloated administrators will not face pay cuts. Lausd administration has expanded 20% since 2004 . There are 7 or 8 administrators for one teacher. Scholastic is raking in millions annually for the paper and pencils they provide. But thousands of teachers are unemployed and those who aren't are scapegoats---the data is a pretense. This is big brother business cutting labor costs so they can insulate themselves from prosecution from white chalk crime. Our teachers and students suffer so
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jp90
06:58 PM on 11/15/2011
How about we all lay off the subject of teacher pay and benefits, and start talking about the real issue. How do we best help students to learn and retain what they learn? How do we restructure, change, tweak, etc the current system so it better serves ALL instead of just the well to do? How do we combat student poverty, so all students come to school better ready to learn? How do we take the lessons of successful countries and apply that to our system? We're barking up the wrong tree with these ridiculous comparisons, which do NOTHING to address the real problems that we can all agree are out there.
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Steve Nelson
05:48 PM on 11/15/2011
This is a rather striking example of an all too common phenomenon: Telling a story without full context. Let us stipulate that the statistics in the writers' report are accurate, although I'm not convinced.

Here's the problem with comparing teachers and private sector non-teachers in terms of overall compensation: It's not that teachers are too generously compensated and that this analysis proves it. The study proves, if anything, that private sector folks are being systematically screwed by the evisceration of the labor movement and by the aggressive assaults on benefits provided employees generally. Teachers are looking better by comparison, only because everyone else has been shafted.
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Ariel Bonzai
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09:01 PM on 11/15/2011
We are getting shared too. Lausd is going after veterans with decades of service. They are bamboozled, defamed and punished for no reasona at all. The idea is to shake them off at any cost becaipise the suits already spent our retirement $ . In fact, we pay into that fund, and few teachers do 30 years. Attrition is more than 50% and they like it this way. It saves $ .TFA churns teachers out and like Michelle Rhee they do a couple years to get out of student loans before becoming wealthy stack brokers and business people. Teaching is a calling. We get into it because we have a higher purpose. We don't expect to get rich. Our wealthi is not monetary. We take the pay cuts and overloading because we love what we do. But now we are being abused and cheated. As are students, who we know thrive with solid campus culture, which is about teachers who stay and who care. Not dollar signs.
03:36 AM on 11/16/2011
Bull, most teachers are willing participants in the war on boy's. The so called "Veteran Teachers" you would so quickly defend have effectively denied an entire generation of males access to equal education. If anything most public educators belong in jail for crimes against humanity.
05:42 PM on 11/15/2011
Have you ever taught anything in your life? Have you ever tried to get 30 teenagers to engage their brains with meaningful work? It IS insulting to claim that we are underpaid when our job is so much different than any other job. I have a B.S. in the geosciences and could have easily worked for any number of oil or mining companies right out of undergrad. However, I decided that the value of that work (even though I could have eared double) was no where near the value of becoming a teacher. Your argument assumes that all workers do work of the same value. This is patently false and until you can quantify the value that a teacher adds to society versus that of another white collar worker your methodology is bogus. Finally, if you truly believe that your work is objective why are you here defending it?! The Huffington Post is not a scientific community where your work will be judged on it's merits (no matter how lacking). By responding to Duncan all you have accomplished is to prove that you're out for ideological, not scientific, ends.
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Ariel Bonzai
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09:05 PM on 11/15/2011
Well, you still have your soul. Oil and mining companies are hardly altruistic. If all you have is 30 in your class, you are lucky. We have 4050 sometimes. No seats for a dozen of those.
Duncan knows its election time and teachers vote. He has to go. And unless Diane Rativich replaces him, public education is doomed.
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P Alan Greene
05:42 PM on 11/15/2011
Data is lovely, but yours was squeezed through an ideological pasta-maker in order to create the particular plate of linguini that you were hungry for.

As many folks have already pointed out, you can say that your data shows that teachers are overpaid. I'm more inclined to believe that it proves that the current pay and career structure of teaching is not strong enough to attract the best and the brightest.

It's kind of surprising that you didn't reach that conclusion yourselves, as conservative think tanks have repeatedly explained that executives at failed banks and tanking industries must be paid the big bucks because it's necessary to attract and retain the best people to the job.

I know you know how this works. It's curious that in the case of public school teachers, you got things all turned around the other way.
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08:51 PM on 11/15/2011
I like the pasta/bias reference but can't understand why people think that paying more money will guarantee the "best and brightest"--an overworked phrase if there ever was one.

Teaching is a science, an art, and a talent that can be learned and developed, but there are also people with natural ability to teach and who can connect ideas for others very well, as well as have a good rapport with almost anyone. Those are skills that cannot always be taught in a classroom nor are they automatically present merely due to a high IQ.

Teachers must be intelligent, but they must also be intuitive, compassionate, inventive, resourceful (often meaning scrounging things to use in the classroom), tenacious, and even to think like a student at times to do the best job for the students. That takes frequent thought and reflection. Many teachers spend a lot of time outside the classroom thinking of ways to reach students. Two people might see the same thing out in a community and the first person barely registers it and the second one (the teacher) will be thinking of how to use it in a lesson plan. That's the kind of passion and mind set many teachers have. A high GPA does not necessarily mean a person will be a good teacher. There is so much more than that to teaching.
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raggedhand
09:41 PM on 11/15/2011
As a pretty effective teacher myself and as a bit of an education geek, I've read many studies about what makes a good teacher.

You're right, in the end there is a certain personality that defines the very best teachers. It's a combination of empathy, insight and showmanship. Yes, a good teacher needs a solid foundation in the nuts and bolts of their field, but raw intelligence is not the MOST important ingredient. Anyone that's graduated from college has had a professor that was a brilliant researcher and at the same time an absolutely lousy teacher. Just because you know how quantum physics works doesn't meant you have the ability to explain it to a teenager in a way that allows them to understand it.

My personal weakness is in showmanship. I stutter and when I get excited about what I'm teaching I get tongue tied. Lucky for me, my students manage to work through that most of the time and they understand my enthusiasm. I certainly do admire the great teachers I've met. Teaching is a subtle skill and if it's done well, like any art, it looks easy..... but, oh, it certainly is not.
11:02 AM on 11/15/2011
Sorry, you misunderstood Arne's gripe. He was not saying dont use evidence or data, rather he was claiming your report was ideologically tilted and thus is explicitly not 'evidence' or 'data'.

And by they way, I am so glad you pointed out that 401ks are unable to keep pace with the needs of retirees, especially given that so many think its a good idea to move everyone to that model. Talk about unfunded liabilities! Now that would be a good topic for a report!