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Will Rihanna Be Victimized Twice?

Posted: 03/19/09 07:19 PM ET

The next abusers of Rihanna are likely to be her young, female fans. The New York Times' Jan Hoffman wrote an amazing piece on teen fans of Rihanna and Chris Brown that seems counter-intuitive and will shock many adults:

"While thousands of teenagers have certainly turned on Mr. Brown, many others -- regardless of race or gender -- defend him, often at Rihanna's expense."

The dynamic is easy enough to understand. To teenage girls, the male pop stars are potential dates. The female stars they see as projections of themselves, 'if only they were given a chance', they think to themselves.

They support the female singers on their way up, but turn on them once they date a celebrity or are perceived to be celebrities themselves. After that, to a teenage girl, they are competition.

Over the years as a music publicist I have seen this phenomenon first hand. While in Chicago to meet with NSync, Justin Timberlake was beside himself, literally jumping on the sofa in his dressing room while telling me that he and Britney Spears were back together. Both were just starting out and this was still a well-guarded secret that even a teenage pop star understood. I didn't have to finish the thought, "You know you can't tell anyone," I said.

"Of course not. It will ruin her career," he said.

We were both keenly aware of this fact. Justin's mother, Lynn Harless, was managing a girl band named, Innosense. Their label, BMG, was promoting them as the next Spice Girls. That is, until the news broke that one of the girls in the quintet was dating one of the Backstreet Boys, during the height of their fame. The female audience was ruthless. They threw condoms at the band while they performed and held up signs with vulgar slogans to demonstrate their dissatisfaction.

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes also understood this odd dynamic with the fans. She famously burned down her boyfriend, Andre Risen's, house after a vicious beating, but preferred to be thought of as crazy than a victim of abuse. She called me after an interview with VH1 in which she discussed the incident, telling me she never wanted to talk about it.

Lisa was one of the smartest and strongest artists with whom I had ever worked. She knew there was no sympathy for abuse victims from young people. Imagine my surprise when she not only reconciled with Risen, but, announced her engagement to him live on JoJo Wrights radio show at LA's KIIS-FM (which she later broke off).

Reaching back even further, Tiffany (yes, from the mall) told me that when she started to date Jonathan Knight of New Kids on the Block, they knew to keep their relationship quiet.

Many young performers have no strong role models, rather, parents more interested in being an entourage to their meal ticket (Nick/Aaron Carter, Miley). Thankfully, this doesn't seem to be the case with Rihanna. However, media reports, if they can be trusted, say she isn't reaching out to her family right now for support, rather, to industry insiders.

That's too bad, because the fans might not be there to support her. Sure, the adults in the media are behind her all the way, but she has to sell music, merchandise and consumer products to an audience who now see her as someone who has damaged their beloved Chris Brown - man of their teenage dreams.

The one who will most likely benefit from this is, in fact, Mr. Brown. The young female fans who buy music and whatever else he is selling, are behind him. It might even roughen up his image for young men.

He is likely to have more to worry about from Jay-Z, than the throngs of adoring young girls - and the money from sales and endorsements will follow the audience.

Rihanna, on the other hand, has two opposing audiences to please. The young people who buy her music and the adults that make marketing, journalism and creative decisions. Oprah has a strong voice, but her audience doesn't buy Rihanna's products.

Stay strong!

 

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The next abusers of Rihanna are likely to be her young, female fans. The New York Times' Jan Hoffman wrote an amazing piece on teen fans of Rihanna and Chris Brown that seems counter-intuitive and wil...
The next abusers of Rihanna are likely to be her young, female fans. The New York Times' Jan Hoffman wrote an amazing piece on teen fans of Rihanna and Chris Brown that seems counter-intuitive and wil...
 
 
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mredder4
11:57 AM on 03/20/2009
Rihanna's biggest abuser is herself. She needs to accept that she should receive some thereapy. Until she realizes that, guys like Chris Brown will control her forever.
01:05 PM on 03/20/2009
Correct, mredder4. If she ditches Brown, chances are she'll end up with another abuser. Self-esteem and a sense of personal power and dignity is at the heart of the issue. Recognizing the signs of a potential controlling and abusive personality, and when one is being "charmed" by another, are also imperative to changing the pattern. Assertiveness training and personal safety/self defense training are also hugely valuable for girls and women. The "Fear" books by Gavin DeBecker are hugely valuable.

And, I have one final, if not controversial recommendation for females finding themselves in situations similar to Rhianna's: Take a marksmanship course. Women are surprised to find out they often have a knack for handling firearms, learn shooting skills quickly, and gaining this skill builds confidence. And, even though a woman may never actually own her own gun, men tend to respect the fact that she knows how to shoot one.

Put bluntly: A man will think twice about hitting his woman, and then sleeping soundly beside her in the same room where he keeps his gun.
07:54 PM on 03/20/2009
No she'll end up with another abuser because she is an abuser herself.

They are both abusers and victims in this relationship.
10:26 AM on 03/20/2009
Why is no one writing about that Jay z slapping two women?

Is it safer to torture a 19 year old kid.

One of the Jay Z incidents is on Youtube
10:10 AM on 03/20/2009
Before physical abuse begins, there is always first escalating emotional abuse. This is the insidious undercurrent, and it is all about the abusive partner's self-loathing and need for control. This needs to be spoken of more because emotional abuse is not taken as seriously as it should. It is hideous how the steady degradation of someone else's self esteem sets the stage for further abuse. When people wonder why someone doesn't leave it is because of this: they have become enslaved to the abuser's ego. It is a hall of mirrors. For abused women (and men), the key to healing is to finally, deep down understand, that you must be a real presence in your relationship. Not just a reflection your partner. If anyone is with someone who dominates and lacks empathy for your concerns, get out fast--before the brainwashing escalates. Otherwise, stockholm syndrome sets in and you get lost because you don't believe there is even a you anymore who can manage your life without the abuser. I have seen Oprah do a show on emotional abuse before, but there are always very dramatic tapes to be viewed with the discussion. In reality there are not. And the emotional abuser usually presents very well outside the relationship. And honestly, women have GOT to start supporting each other. That means listening. Deeply. There is such a disturbing level of unhealthy envy and competition among girls and grown women. It makes me very sad to see.
09:57 AM on 03/20/2009
Thank you! Anyone who physically abuses someone else must face punishment. Abuse is a crime. If you are being abused, get help immediately -- and end the abusive relationship. Our society and criminal justice system need to hold abusers responsible for their actions to breakt he abuse cycle.

However, the terrible truth is that most abusers have already been punished, usually by enduring abuse during their childhoods. I share the anger at abusers (male and female), but If we oversimplify the dynamics of domestic violence, neither victims nor abusers can ever get the help they need.

Batterers ARE criminals. But they are real people -- not villains. We would never fall in love, or trust them with our love, in the first place if they were so obviously horrific. In some ways, our insistence on painting such black and white terms blames the victim: “How could she have fallen in love with such an awful man?” The truth is far more complex and dangerous.

It was hard to recognize that I was being abused, and harder still to leave my abusive partner, but I have gotten tremendous solace and support by sharing my story in my book Crazy Love and on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEsElsHrvC0.

Please join The Crazy Love Project, a safe place for people to share stories of surviving abusive love (anonymously if you prefer).

I hope one day we hear Rihanna’s story — and Chris Brown’s -- and yours.

Leslie Morgan Steiner
http://www.lesliemorgansteiner.com
09:06 AM on 03/20/2009
Rihanna needs to come to terms with her own personal situation before she can even think about jumping up on a soapbox. Yes, it would be great if she could offer support to other abuse survivors, but in the end, she doesn't owe anybody anything. I hope she will leave Brown for good and get the private counseling that will help her move forward and eventually find a man who will treat her right.

As for Brown, I hope Jay Z beats the crap out of him. Then he could see how it feels to be on the receiving end.
08:07 AM on 03/20/2009
My sister in-law has been in a abusive relationship for 6 years, no children, still refuses to leave. He's been to jail countless times, but she refuses to cooperate so it doesn't go far. It's a horrible situation and I hate that she goes through this, but It has just about driven my wife and I to divorce. We have children, every time she shows up on our doorstep it completely turns the house upside down for a week or two. It affects our children, and that's unacceptable. This has happened 6-7 times a year for the last 6yrs., I'm at the end of my rope. If the victim refuses to remove herself from the situation, what can you do.
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10:08 AM on 03/20/2009
wow, I feel for you, i can only imagine what it is like. I have a suggestion, if you can swing it, next time she shows up to your door call a hotel, put her in a room there. The woman has no idea of boundries, she shows this to the point of dragging you and your family into her drama. perhaps set up counseling, there are some places that will see her on a sliding scale. But do not let her issues ruin your family!!!! Maybe you need to ask your wife if she is more concerned about the stabiltiy of your family and her own children or continuing to enable her sister.
Good luck to you and your family,....
10:16 AM on 03/20/2009
Agreed there is nothing you can do if they won't help themselves. We have all met or have within our family those that are abuse victims and they won't leave those that are abusing them regardless of the black eyes, busted lips, broken ribs.... All you can do is be there for them and keep strengthening them until they see the light.
03:10 AM on 03/20/2009
Grotesque. I am horribly disappointed in young women today - it's as if feminism never existed, and we're living in some warped 1950's world where women love to be objectified and sexualized ("Girls Gone Wild!) and where they believe women who are beaten by men "had it coming." It's frightening.
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sisterdebmac
04:14 PM on 03/20/2009
The message boards were filled with this kind of apologist bunk from delusional little girls when this story broke. Made me so sick to my stomach I had to stop reading them. Unbelievable. Who are these children? Where did they come from that they think it's OK to beat down a woman? How will they feel when it happens to them? Probably repeatedly?
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dahpunkster
good music and cheap wine are my greatest comforts
02:09 AM on 03/20/2009
In response to Amy the 21 year old ,
When I was about your age , I dated a guy that was really bad for me , he cheated on me constantly.
Made jokes about my weight( I wasn't fat at all) & made me feel stupid and unlovable. But he also taught me how to dance ,art and lots of other fine things.
It took me a while to come around, because my self esteem was at an all time low. I eventually realized I couldn't change him and I deserved better and I left. It was not easy,but my real friends helped me through that period of my life and I am stronger for it.
I hope rihanna realizes this ,too. But I think it is mighty unfair that her fans bail on her now, after she has gotten beat up by her boyfriend and had her battered face thrown all over the media.
I still turn up the radio loud when I hear Umbrella or S.O.S. They are good songs.
10:19 AM on 03/20/2009
The public is just that the "public" they constantly go from this to that then from that to this, a month from now and the whole episode will have been forgotten as the next thing catches their eyes or mind.
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rlugbill
10:56 PM on 03/19/2009
She will be victimized twice, but not by her fans. It will be by the court system. Once the police are involved, you have no control over what happens with the charges. The DA holds all the power.

She'll get blamed for bringing the charges, but she doesn't have control over what happens with them. So, she'll learn not to take charges next time.
11:38 PM on 03/21/2009
I don't think Rihanna wanted to press charges actually, but I might be wrong....
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10:54 PM on 03/19/2009
Rihanna doesn't deserve her fans loyalty, but neither does Chris Brown.

Millions of women globally live daily with domestic violence - as someone with a media platform, Rihanna should have been outspoken and denounced the abuse. I suppose this could be related to battered women's syndrome, but how do we combat the problem? MEN have to come out against Chris Brown. Thank goodness Jay-Z showed some respect for Rihanna.

This disgusts me! I'm 21, but I will NEVER buy another Rihanna album.
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propitiousmoment
the journey is the destination....
01:13 AM on 03/20/2009
You "suppose" this could be related? How generous of you. She's a private person as well as a public performer. I "suppose" she will have to have some time to work through this. I had a feeling that what the author meant by her female fans rejecting her was people like you with your blame the victim mentality. Instead he touched on another phenomenon equally valid. Your NEVER buying another Rihanna album is not going to do one bit to end domestic violence, against her or against anybody else. And, your righteous, indignant attitude towards a victim of abuse is more likely to feel like rubbing salt in the wound than it is to result in a moment of enlightenment for victim. Only someone who's never been there could be so unempathetic and so lacking understanding.