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A Nation Divided: Rationalists and Theists in America

Posted: 06/23/10 12:54 PM ET

Before imploding in the face of his sordid extramarital trysts, presidential candidate John Edwards based his campaign on the idea of two Americas: one rich, the other poor. He was right about the idea that American is divided, but wrong about the nature of the division. The deeper and more important split is defined by religiosity, not riches.

The nearly even distribution of votes between conservatives and liberals in the presidential elections of 2000, 2004 and 2008 reveals clearly a lasting and deep chasm in American society. Heated rhetoric, vitriol, excessive passion and closely contested elections expose the existence of two societies with little in common, living side by side but miles apart.

The barrier separating us is defined by the unbridgeable gulf between god and rationalism. This is not a culture war, but a cosmic battle between theism and humanism.

The conflict between these two world views is made apparent in the voting booth. The closest election in American history offers plenty of evidence for the religiosity divide. Of those voters who attend church more than once per week, 68% voted for Bush and 32% for Gore. Of those who never attend church, 35% went for Bush, 65% for Gore. Religiosity alone is the most important, obvious and conclusive factor in determining voter behavior. Simply put, church goers tend to vote Republican. Those who instead go the hardware store on Sunday vote Democrat by wide margins. The divide in our society is not between rich and poor, or Catholic and Protestant, or Christian and Muslim, but between those have faith and those who have reason. Obama's election does not negate that calculus. Forget not that 50 million Americans voted for the other ticket.

Rationalism and Theism

Those who accept the idea of god tend to divide the world into believers and atheists. Yet that is incorrect. Atheist means "without god" and one cannot be without something that does not exist. Atheism is really a pejorative term that defines one world view as the negative of another, as something not what something else is. The word atheist is analogous to the denigrating word "colored" to describe African Americans, which was meant to say they are colored relative to the "pure standard" of white. Atheism is similarly meant to describe rationalists against the "pure standard" of belief. Both terms are the result of ignorance and bias about what constitutes the baseline for comparison. Just as we thankfully no longer use the world colored, we should abandon the term atheist.

If we insist on defining one group as the negative of the other, then the world would better be divided into rationalists and "arationalists" meaning those with reason and those without. But a more reasonable and neutral description of the two world views would be theists and rationalists (or humanists, take your pick).

The Moral Divide

Perhaps the clearest distinction between theists and rationalists is found in the perception of which group best defines and protects our moral values.

The association between morality and religion has been established so firmly over the past 2000 years that the link largely goes unquestioned. Churchgoers tend to believe that they have a leg up on moral behavior over humanists, or, worse, that rationalists are a threat to morality. In that environment of religious fervor, any attempt to shift to a strictly secular model of morality strikes many as heretical, on par with Galileo's transgression so long ago.

But cold statistics prove the association between religion and morality wrong. A recent paper published in the journal Evolutionary Psychology concluded that societies with the lowest measures of dysfunction are the most secular. How did the author, Gregory S. Paul, arrive at this conclusion? He analyzed 25 indicators of "social dysfunction" including rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, STDs, unemployment and poverty. He compared those rates to religiosity as measured by self-professed beliefs and frequency of church attendance within each country studied. The two most religious countries, the United States and Portugal, turn out also to be the most socially dysfunctional measured against those 25 indicators. His conclusions have been challenged by some skeptics who claim the results are a consequence of "selection bias" in what data are collected and analyzed. There is likely some truth to that since social and behavioral studies can only rarely completely eliminate the bias of self reporting. But Paul's conclusions though are fairly robust in spite of the study's flaws. Society has the association of morality with religion inverted. Humanism is the guardian of morality.

Secular and Religious Morality

Traits that we view as moral are deeply embedded in the human psyche. Honesty, fidelity, trustworthiness, kindness to others, and reciprocity are primeval characteristics that helped our ancestors survive. In a world of dangerous predators, early man could thrive only in cooperative groups. Good behavior strengthened the tribal bonds that were essential to survival. What we now call morality is really a suite of behaviors favored by natural selection in an animal weak alone but strong in numbers. Morality is a biological necessity and a consequence of human development, not a gift from god.

Our inherent good, however, has been corrupted by the false morality of religion that has manipulated us with divine carrots and sticks. If we misbehave, we are threatened with the hot flames of hell. If we please god, we are promised the comforting embrace of eternal bliss. Under the burden of religion, morality has become nothing but a response to bribery and fear, and a cynical tool of manipulation for ministers and gurus. We have forsaken our biological heritage in exchange for coupons to heaven. That more secular countries suffer less social dysfunction is not only unsurprising but fully expected.

Human Hubris

Religious morality is fundamentally flawed, resting precariously on the false notion of human superiority. For millennia, peoples of nearly all cultures have been taught that humans are special in the eyes of their god or gods, and that the world is made for their benefit and use. This is revealed clearly in Genesis, which gives humankind the mandate to fill, rule over and subdue the earth. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

Of all visible creatures only man is "able to know and love his creator." He is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake," and he alone is called to share, by knowledge and love, in God's own life. It was for this end that he was created, and this is the fundamental reason for his dignity. (CCC #356)

Blinded by this deeply ingrained religious bias, we keep forgetting that our highly developed cerebral cortex does not confer upon us any special status among our living cousins. People easily embrace the idea that humanity is set apart from all other animals. But nothing could be further from the truth. Humans are nothing but a short-lived biological aberration, with no claim to superiority. If evolution had a pinnacle, bacteria would rest on top. When the human species is a distant memory, bacteria will be dividing merrily away, oblivious to the odd bipedal mammal that once roamed the earth for such a brief moment in time. Our self-promotion to the image of god is simply embarrassing in the face of the biological reality on the ground. There is a loss of credibility when you choose yourself for an award.

This hubris and conceit of human superiority as the only creature close to god is not benign, leading to catastrophic consequences for humanity. The species-centric arrogance of religion cultivates a dangerous attitude about our relationship with the environment and the resources that sustain us. Humanists tend to view sustainability as a moral imperative while theists often view environmental concerns as liberal interference with god's will. Conservative resistance to accepting the reality of climate change is just one example, and another point at which religious and secular morality diverge.

An Uncivil War

The two world views offered by theism and rationalism are fundamentally incompatible. The result is a ceaseless shouting match between opponents trying futilely to convince the other side. That will never happen because the language of faith cannot be translated into the word of reason.

A Chinese speaker can communicate effectively with an Englishman through an interpreter because while the two speak different languages many of the ideas being shared are common to both parties. That allows an interpreter to bridge the gap by finding different words to express the same thought. That is not true in a conversation between a theist and a humanist. Not only are the languages of faith and reason different, but so too are the fundamental ideas. There is no role for an interpreter here because language is not the most significant barrier. Somebody who believes in god cannot possibly comprehend a world in which god does not exist. Somebody who understands god as a myth cannot pretend to grasp a world controlled by some higher power. So we keep shouting incomprehensibly at each other in a growing cycle of incivility. With no common language and incompatible world views the decibels and vitriol of our protests and proclamations are the only measure of success.

Both sides are guilty of shouting, but that reality misses an important point of volume. According to a 2008 survey from Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, more than 78% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Only 4% are self-proclaimed non-believers (broken into the survey categories of atheists at 1.6% and agnostics at 2.4%). A yelling contest is not exactly equitable. The humanist cry is like a mouse peep measured against the roar of a jet engine.

Yet in spite of these massive, overwhelming, deeply embedded majorities, Christians often speak in the dialect of victimhood. Many feel under attack by secular humanists threatening them with gay marriage, abortion, Darwinism and moral decay. This idea of Christians as modern victims is the perfect example of how the two sides can never communicate. From the perspective of a tiny 4% minority, any claim by a 78% supermajority that the views of a few are a threat to the many is simply surreal. For humanists the idea is too absurd to contemplate, but it is quite real to theists. There is no room for dialogue; the gap is just too wide.

So we will remain a nation deeply divided by theism and rationalism into the distant future. Coming together and singing Kumbaya would be great, but that will not happen in our lifetimes. As time passes political favor will ebb and flow between the two world views, allowing for short-term victories for each. But the fundamental chasm between those of faith and those of reason will never be bridged. We are a nation divided. That is the reality.

 
 
 

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Before imploding in the face of his sordid extramarital trysts, presidential candidate John Edwards based his campaign on the idea of two Americas: one rich, the other poor. He was right about the id...
Before imploding in the face of his sordid extramarital trysts, presidential candidate John Edwards based his campaign on the idea of two Americas: one rich, the other poor. He was right about the id...
 
 
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
05:02 PM on 07/17/2010
Yet another author who wants to prolong the culture war by saying it cannot be won because the two sides simply have no means of communication. He is dead wrong. The United States has a highly diverse population--more so than almost any other country on the globe. We cannot be compared to any nearly homogenious nation with any degree of synchronicity, so let's disregard Portugal--please.

He has also disregarded the one word which can bridge almost all faiths, or lack thereof, and all political persuasions--ethics. Average Americans have remarkably similar ethics, and the politician who appeals to that side of the electorate will win irregardless of political party.

We need to start focusing on that which unites,not that which divides. This article was not helpful in that respect.
11:47 AM on 07/16/2010
I realize it throws a kink into the premise of this article, but data from the Pew Forum (http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted.aspx) shows that Christians have voted almost equally Dem and Repub in the last 3 elections. Your choice of data supports your point, of course, though does not contribute to a logical or rational argument.

I’d also encourage readers to check out the article referred to (http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07398441_c.pdf). It’s not quite as simple as “religion = societal dysfunction.” One thing it seems to say is that “notheism” (their word) is a RESPNSE TO, not the CAUSE OF improved conditions, though again, it's not that simple.

I realize actually acknowledging the humanism behind such things as the horrors of Stalin don't support your morality-of-humanism argument, so things like that are conveniently forgotten in these types of "rational" arguments. Nor is it convenient to acknowledge that Jesus inspired Ghandi (inspired by Tolstoy), or that Christians played a role in ending the mid-Atlantic slave trade (though I'm sure historical revisionism can help you put that in its proper place!).

It would behoove humanists to at least seek to understand the vast differences between religions, subgroups within those religions, and that the people spoken of in this post represent a fraction of the religious people in the U.S.

But ignorance truly is bliss!
03:32 PM on 07/01/2010
Thank you for framing the "culture war" correctly. It is not religion vs science, but theism vs rationalism. Science endorse neither. In fact science, in my book, legitimizes theism. At least theism acknowledges our lack of conscious control. Life as we live it from inside the mechanism of our brain-created experience is irrational. Our motivations are in conflict. Dominance and territoriality are as much a part of what we are as empathy and cooperation. Science passes no judgments on which of our behaviors are preferable; those that we experience as good or those we experience as bad. And certainly the moral choice between them is not a rational process in any sense. We have no reasons; only rationalizations. "God told me to" is an excellent "reason" and quite accurate scientifically. After all there is no moral agency in the reality that science describes. It is fully caused. Whether the self-caused agent be a God or an "I", moral agency is a representation that is created by our brain and not something that exists objectively. Theism and rationalism are just subjective stories that are not supported by anything but the transparent reality of our experience. In reality what we want is irrational, and reason is just a tool for getting it. The culture war is just a p.ssing contest; a competition for dominance; the evolved social brain's need to be right and on top.
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oldfuzz
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11:34 AM on 07/01/2010
Any argument based on a shaky premise is open to criticism.
By citing rationalists versus theists, many are excluded.
There is the rational and non-rational. Most of us are a mixture of both. Logos and mythos. I'm a degreed engineer and have plenty of logos. My know Mom loved me: mythos.

A better comparison would be rationalists vs. non-rationalists and theists versus non-theists because these two dualities render four domains: rational theist, non-rational theist, rational non-theist and non-rational non-theist. There is a central point worth considering as well, that of seeing the opposing views as interesting but inconsequential in the way one lives their life.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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02:06 PM on 07/01/2010
I like your thinking, and appreciate the input. But your thesis depends on the existence of "rational theists" and as you can tell from my blog I believe such an animal does not and cannot exist. I belief faith and reason are mutually exclusive. Believing in an invisible man in the sky with magical powers requires the suspension of rationality.
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OtayPanky
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03:13 AM on 06/27/2010
Here's something from a grownup:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/26/why-we-hate-them/
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Jeff Schweitzer
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10:03 AM on 06/27/2010
The defense of religion by pointing to the atrocities of communism is an old and tired ploy to which I have responded many times in the past in this and other forums. But rather than engage in this argument here again, I'll leave you with this picture: a communist strapped on a bomb, walked into a crowded market, and said just before pulling the cord, "there is no god, there is no god!!" in his selfless quest to promote atheism. What, that never happened? Oh.

So as I said before, you do not want to quit your day job.
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OtayPanky
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06:31 PM on 06/27/2010
Of course Marxist-Lenisists didn't take up suicide bombing.

What they did instead was take up mass "re-education" and liquidation programs to try to stomp out the religious memes in their societies.

Your inability to see the congruence is a real blind spot, Jeffy.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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10:05 AM on 06/27/2010
Trying to argue your point by pointing out a weird comment made by Bill Maher is pretty weak. His arguments are not mine.
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OtayPanky
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02:51 PM on 06/27/2010
I'll speak slowly.

The problem - the REAL problem - is not whether a person is religious or irreligious. The problem is hatred or contempt for those who have a different meme set than we do.

Only people who think like that talk about having a "cosmic battle" with those who think differently.

One level of the cosmic battle is fevered blugging by wannabees.

Another level is setting up re-education camps to "help" those who need it.

And a third is just firing up the ovens, or crashing planes into buildings.

It really matters very little whether the cosmic battle enthusiast is a religious fundamentalist like Bin Laden, or a religious liberal like Franky Schaeffer, or an an anti-religion type like Sam Harris.

The key is the INTOLERANCE for those of differing opinions and beliefs.

A good description for the general phenomenon is memetic fascism. And fascism, in whatever guise, always needs to be called by its name in order to preserve whatever freedoms we have won - and wish to retain.

It took a long time for humanity to evolve to the point where we developed a model for a state where people could believe or not believe whatever they wanted. We're not doing that perfectly yet, but we're moving closer all the time. A civil society based on democratic principles requires it.

There will always be a small contingent who want a "cosmic battle". Thanks, but no thanks. It's a bridge to nowhere.
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08:22 AM on 06/26/2010
To me faith and reason are wedded. Faith in God does not result necessarily in turning off ones brain. Keep in mind that for some of us Christianity(a theism) IS a humanism.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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07:09 PM on 06/26/2010
Faith and reason are only wedded by representing opposite extremes of different world views. I agree that faith does not mean turning off one's brain, but faith does mean accepting as true things that reason would reject. At some point you believe something just because you have faith it is true, without any rational means of supporting the belief. In that case reason and faith are not compatible.
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jimspy
Quod quae operibus sufficit.
01:54 PM on 06/27/2010
I would somewhat disagree with this. I strongly believe that faith involves a "sequestering" of the religious part of the brain and securing it against rational thought. Religious people effectively "turn off" this part of the brain in that they don't allow the rationality that is the hallmark of the human thought process to intervene. That is why I don't call religious people "stupid." My father, for example, a deeply religious Catholic, is considered one of the most brilliant legal minds of the past century. When it comes to religion, however, he doesn't apply his jurisprudential training. Instead, he seems to be satisfied with the most sophistic of arguments in favor of God's existence.
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
05:17 PM on 07/17/2010
You mean like having faith a stimulus would result in growing the economy out of recession in 12 months? If you want to talk about a "community of faith," listen to a gathering of economists. A willing suspension of disbelief is not limited to religion and the arts.
12:21 AM on 07/13/2010
The definition of "faith" is belief without reason.Theists and Atheists can agree: No reason for god(s).

It is easy to PROVE that an "omni-potent/-scient/-etc "god(s)" cannot exist.

1. God - an entity - has thoughts.
2. Thoughts are information.
3. information must have a physical substrate upon which to exist, there is NO information in a vacuum for example.
4. God "knows" everything, everywhere, all the time
5. God's thoughts must therefore operate faster than light.
6. No particle in this universe can exceed the speed of light.

So, what particle holds the thoughts of god? It cannot exist in this universe.

Human beings are social primates, we naturally are leaders and followers if you will.

Morality is built into our genetics.
Jews/Muslims say: Pork - bad.
Micronesians - Pork - good.
These are cultural traditions, based in economics not in any god's commandment.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!"

The golden rule is simply a verbal way to describe what our genetics provide - almost all humans, almost all the time, act morally, regardless of a particular cultural definition of moral behavior.

If we didn't operate under the golden rule, we'd eat each other's children...we're social primates however...recognizing the "other" as "ourselves".

RELIGIONS have co-opted the "golden rule" since they would like us all to believe that we learned the golden rule by following religious order but it is built into our very selves...
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04:05 AM on 06/26/2010
I am a believer, but I think I am pretty rational. I do not believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, and I accept that evolution is the best explanation thus far as to how the world has become what it is. I think some of the points the author makes are accurate--people do have some in-bred motivation to do good and live together amicably. I also agree that religious excesses have been the cause of a great deal of violence throughout the ages, but I also believe that those excesses have occurred as a perversion of, not as an accurate result of, belief.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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07:10 PM on 06/26/2010
Why not conclude that religious violence is the norm, and positive consequences of faith are the perversion?
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JM817
04:50 AM on 06/27/2010
I wish I could completely disagree with you; however, I cannot. All one has to do is look at the cynicism and over-the-top rhetoric of the Religious Right to know that religion is a powerful and dangerous weapon. I know many have turned their backs on belief entirely. I do not choose to do that, but it is hard right now for those of us who don't agree with the RR to make a strong case for, I guess, a Religious Left.
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BOBinPS
Really?
11:21 PM on 06/25/2010
Yes, but theism has dominated human culture for as long as human culture has been recorded. Why? My guess is that theism is an evolved, genetically implanted, human condition. How else could it survive rationalism? My thesis is that faces put upon human instinct is religion. Our social instincts towards good (empathy) and evil (xenophobia) have always been in conflict. When humans deified those instincts we got religions.

Religion is not going to go away. It is a part of being human. It is irrational, but no one said humans are totally rational. But humans are fearful and humans are generous. Religions is part fear, and part empathy. Religion helps humans justify fear, and helps justify xenophobia. These instincts help humans, with limited intellect, deal with the inhospitable earth. "Someone who watches over me." The eternal battle of good and evil; god and devil. They are just instinctual feelings, but they are not easily denied, or reasoned away. Those that actually think about the problem, either discard god, or rationalize god.
01:31 AM on 06/26/2010
"My guess is that theism is an evolved, genetically implanted, human condition."

Not to discount what you're saying, it may be valid, but it could be more simple. It could be just derived from human curiosity. "I made this sharp rock, who made the rock to begin with?" With no knowledge and a vivid imagination, it's not hard to see our ancestors plugging in stories from exceptional environmental events, dreams or drug induced states. With brief human life spans and not much to do when the sun went down those stories could have been embellished, altered, and refined down through the ages.

Indoctrinate a child with the stories and they'll believe just about anything. I won't name names but some current religions, religions that are followed by many, are obviously false. And yet, people believe them throughout their lives. We may not be evolved to believe them, we may just be conditioned from birth.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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11:09 PM on 06/24/2010
I have been traveling and unable to respond to the comments; hope to be able to tomorrow.
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OtayPanky
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10:45 AM on 06/25/2010
No worries. While you were gone, we all got together and sang Kumbaya.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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01:38 PM on 06/25/2010
Looks like it; as usual.
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OtayPanky
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09:50 PM on 06/24/2010
Blugger: Yet in spite of these massive, overwhelming, deeply embedded majorities, Christians often speak in the dialect of victimhood.

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So do women, and they're not going away either.
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LynneE
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10:14 PM on 06/24/2010
Last time I checked, women were the MAJORITY, yet remain a subordinate subset of humans, more vulnerable to violence, more prone to poverty, and unable to have control over their own reproduction. Women are often victims of men and patriarchal society, so why are you comparing them to christians when christians are the antithesis of victimization?
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OtayPanky
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10:35 PM on 06/24/2010
I'm not a christian, but in fact there are plenty of places in the world where they are marginalized, persecuted, etc. That's the serious answer.

The silly string answer is that I was having some fun with what this blugger wrote.
12:55 PM on 06/25/2010
How is a belief system equivalent to a gender?
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OtayPanky
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01:25 PM on 06/25/2010
Wrong question.

The right question is: How are the victimization memes of some american religious groups similar to (not the same as) the victimization memes of some american women?
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OtayPanky
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09:46 PM on 06/24/2010
Blugger: The barrier separating us is defined by the unbridgeable gulf between god and rationalism. This is not a culture war, but a cosmic battle between theism and humanism.

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Oh boy! Let me go get my secret decoder ring.
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OtayPanky
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10:50 AM on 06/25/2010
Rut-roh! Fearless Leader is travelling. The Cosmic Battle must be postponed until his return.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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01:07 AM on 06/26/2010
Wow, you have issues.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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07:03 PM on 06/26/2010
When you grow up to be an adult, you'll realize that sarcasm will only take you so far. You've already become tiresome.
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Andrew Joseph Mumford
09:31 PM on 06/24/2010
The author makes a false distinction between theists and rationalists, he makes two separate groups like he stereotypes religious people doing. He is implying religious people can't be rational and vice versa. I have met someone in my life who is both rational and religious. Not to discredit reason but as Gandhi said "Rationalists are admirable beings, rationalism is a hideous monster when it claims for itself omnipotence. Attribution of omnipotence to reason is as bad a piece of idolatry as is worship of stock and stone." Anything can be rationalized. Cultures teach that there are two paths: the path to power(knowledge) and the path to virtue(wisdom). Wisdom unlike knowledge can't be communicated directly it has to be taught through symbolism and metaphor. Religious scripture and all mythology were never meant to be factually accurate they were meant to guide people in the right direction.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
10:17 PM on 06/24/2010
You met ONE rational and religious person? Hope you kept their name and number...maybe could send it to the Guiness Book Of World Records or Wikipedia, or Snopes. Might just be an urban legend...
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OtayPanky
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10:57 AM on 06/25/2010
The truth is, I've never met a rational person in my life. Or haven't you ever watched Star Trek?

That's actually one of the great false conceits of the Dawkin-ites. Just because they don't worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster (praise his noodly appendages), they think they're more rational than the rest of us.

The truth is, many of them are babbling children in adult bodies in need of some sort of reparative therapy - just like lots of other folks. They're just using this particular field to play out their neuroses.

I admit it's kinda fun to watch them steam.
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02:00 AM on 06/25/2010
"Not to discredit reason but as Gandhi said .....""

Gandhi also was a train wreck for India, a luddite who wanted the country to go back in time with his idiotic 'spinning wheel policy'.
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Andrew Joseph Mumford
02:34 PM on 06/25/2010
Gandhi was merely asking people to be frugal and live simply. It would be perverse to say those things seeing he liberated India through non-violence. He also advocated for helping the poor and the downtrodden. To call his ideas idiotic is slander and calumny.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
09:01 PM on 06/24/2010
The author makes many good points. Rationalists consider human rights generally, but theologists are often selective for different groups, with a moral superiority complex that seeks to exclude some members of society based on stereotypes of religious beliefs. Of course these conclusions are also based on stereotypes, so great variety exists in any group. We should relate to individuals on their personal merits instead of assumptions about their group.
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Sonny Mobley
07:59 PM on 06/24/2010
This is one of the only good articles I have seen on HuffPo's silly religion section. This author knows what is up.
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OtayPanky
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05:27 PM on 06/25/2010
Don't you mean WHO'S up? As in God?
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BOBinPS
Really?
10:31 PM on 06/25/2010
I agree. And I am shocked!
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Jeff Schweitzer
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01:10 AM on 06/26/2010
You're shocked I wrote a good article? Or shocked OtayPanky has the strangest picture on Huff Post?
06:09 PM on 06/24/2010
I feel sorry for American atheists when it comes to politics. Neither party appears to stand for or against fiscal conservatism, they both appear to be just varying degrees of corporatists. You're left with nothing to choose from in conventional conservative vs liberal ideologies. It comes down to cultural politics and in that you're left with Palin types vs hippie Jesus types.

The really sad thing is probably a significant percentage of US politicians are atheists but there's no way to tell because a personal relationship with a dead Jewish guy is all but a requirement for office.

Obama Speech on Religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE

The light at the end of the tunnel, as I see it, is to keep exposing religion in public and hopefully sway more people to reason.

P.S. Great article. This quote is a keeper:

"If evolution had a pinnacle, bacteria would rest on top. When the human species is a distant memory, bacteria will be dividing merrily away, oblivious to the odd bipedal mammal that once roamed the earth for such a brief moment in time. Our self-promotion to the image of god is simply embarrassing in the face of the biological reality on the ground. There is a loss of credibility when you choose yourself for an award."