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Secession Movement: It Is Neither Cute Nor Funny

Posted: 11/26/2012 2:20 pm

Let's be clear that the secession movement is racist no matter how vigorously that may be denied. There would be no movement if a white man was sitting in the Oval Office. The economy continues to recover in all sectors, unemployment continues to inch down, the auto industry is healthy and the stock market is 65 percent higher now than when Obama took office. Yet from this progress comes the need to secede. So let us ignore the reality of a growing economy; let's forget that we fought a bloody war to settle this question; in spite of that we will go with the flow. I have a proposal.

The epicenter of secession fever is, not surprisingly, in Texas. So we should use that momentum to everybody's favor, and designate Texas as the new Republic to which all secessionists move. We strip American citizenship from all people who sign secession petitions and assign each a temporary Green Card to allow them legal residency in the United States for a designated period. We allow Texas to secede and create an independent New Texas Republic. We then encourage all secessionists to move to their new Republic; we do so by having the Green Card expire in five years. At the date of expiration they need to either be residing in New Texas or be subjected to deportation to the new country. As part of the secession process, New Texas will have to agree that current residents of Texas who do not wish to leave the Union retain their U.S. citizenship with no limits on residency and no restrictions on any rights afforded to U.S. citizens. Since only the U.S. federal government can print money, New Texas would have to create its own currency. The new country would also have to issue passports and create all the other trappings of an independent country. Citizens of the new country would forfeit their Social Security, have no Medicare and have to compensate the United States for lands and improvements like federal courthouses, prisons, military bases and parklands.

Think how much better off we all would be if all those who thought so little of the United States that they wished to leave the Union were actually gone. Good riddance; we should actually encourage them. We can live without Texas. Our political discourse would return to the center with no anti-science, anti-intellectual, religiously intolerant extremists to skew the debate. Give them Texas; let the loony right create a concentration of crazy; let those who wish to create a Christian nation do so; let them create a state of intolerance in which all abortions are banned, Creation Science is taught in place of evolution and climate change is a liberal hoax. And then let us move on.

Oh how that would feel good; but talk of secession is irresponsible. We need to be adult about this and recognize secession for what it is, and to do so we need to revisit our history. Southerners have explored this territory before, so let us look at their logic and see how they fared.

Southerners who claim a deep national pride celebrate their ancestors' efforts to dissolve the very union of states whose flag they now so proudly fly. They honored then and again now a campaign to divide our country while claiming the mantle of patriot. That makes no sense. The contradiction is always swept under the rug with lots of flag waving. But that includes the confederate flag. A southern loyalist or any secessionist cannot be a patriot; the two ideals are mutually incompatible. You cannot simultaneously love the United States and love the idea of destroying the United States through dissolution. To claim both is insane, the equivalent of declaring that you love all Mexican food but hate enchiladas. The claims are each exclusive of the other and therefore by definition both cannot be true.

The last time Americans spoke of secession more than 630,000 soldiers were killed or wounded in four years of hellish war. To put this in perspective consider that the entire population of the United States at war's end was 35 million, putting war casualties at nearly two percent of the total populace. Equivalent rates of casualties today would result in 5 million dead or wounded, dwarfing our losses in World War II, or any other war. This talk of secession is irresponsible, and ugly, and disrespectful to those who died preserving our Union.

Why did two percent of our population suffer death or maiming? So many Americans died because two sides differently interpreted the meaning of state sovereignty and the Tenth Amendment (ratified in 1791). The text of the amendment is simple enough: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." But we also have the Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution, which says, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Eleven southern states seceded from the Union in protest against federal legislation that limited the expansion of slavery claiming that such legislation violated the Tenth Amendment, which they argued trumped the Supremacy Clause. The war was indeed about protecting the institution of slavery -- as a specific case of a state's inherent right to declare any federal law null and void.

The inherent tension between Article VI and the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution has kept lawyers busy and wealthy since our founding, and the argument goes on today. Nevertheless, Lincoln saw clearly that in seceding from the Union on the basis of the Tenth Amendment the southern states by default declared the U.S. Constitution dead. The Union could not possibly survive if secession was left to stand. Once the principle of seceding is established the glue holding the Union together would soon dissolve. Proof of that is in the fact that during the war the Confederacy began to dissolve through the secession of Southern states from the Confederacy. South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union, also threatened later to secede from the Confederacy, as did Georgia later in the war. The legitimacy of secession could lead to nothing but balkanization, a group of independent states much like we see in Europe. The United States of American could not exist under these conditions.

The president of the United States, sworn to uphold the Constitution, had no choice but to take whatever measures were necessary to fulfill his commitment. You need not agree with that; the war settled the question whether you like it or not. Losing a war has consequences. We have had the argument and fought the war and the result is in. We have more than 600,000 dead and wounded to tell us that the Tenth Amendment does not trump the Supremacy Clause. Secession is not viable; we have been there and done that.

Anybody signing a secession petition should be deeply ashamed. The petition soils the memory of those who fought this battle before. By definition, nothing could be more un-American than an attempt to leave the Union. Secession is treason. Waving the American flag while promoting the effort to tear down that flag through disunion is untenable. Make a choice; be a proud American or a proud Secessionist. You cannot possibly be both.

 
 
 

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Let's be clear that the secession movement is racist no matter how vigorously that may be denied. There would be no movement if a white man was sitting in the Oval Office. The economy continues to r...
Let's be clear that the secession movement is racist no matter how vigorously that may be denied. There would be no movement if a white man was sitting in the Oval Office. The economy continues to r...
 
 
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11:09 AM on 01/13/2013
Well, I am a proud American from Washington State, and I want Texas to secede. Oh dear.
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PsychicHazard
04:21 PM on 01/12/2013
...So, you're telling me that wanting to succeed because the president has legalized the murder without trial of Americans, the torture of prisoners of war, wire tapping, spying on our own citizens, and other acts of Tyranny is Racist?

Look, the civil war was about Race, Slavery, and I don't disagree. And -yes-, oh goddess, yes, there are people who want to succeed due to racist motivations. But don't dye us all with the same brush. Some of us are legitimately concerned about the rapid erosion of our constitutional rights, the loss of due process, and the pin-pricks in congress.
11:06 PM on 01/06/2013
Im thinking the government passing numerous laws (some through executive order) such as the Patriot Act and national Defense Act and now the communications bill that lets obama turn off the internet if he wishes.... all in the name if fighting terrorism, has something to do with this.

All those rights taken away in the name of fear.

And now you have the assault weapons ban, yet more rights being taken away in the name of fear.

They already have laws in place to arrest you with no cause and no warrant, or otherwise utterly control you, put you in a state of martial law. After they take your guns you will not be able to do anything about it.

People see these new "laws", this loss of rights, and do not like it.
02:35 AM on 12/26/2012
Gg
04:06 AM on 12/23/2012
I love the ending to Schweitzer's article: "Make a choice; be a proud American or a proud Secessionist. You cannot possibly be both."

If you're not with me, you're my enemy.

"Turned to the Dork Side, he has!" LOL
02:32 AM on 12/23/2012
"Let's be clear that the secession movement is racist no matter how vigorously that may be denied. There would be no movement if a white man was sitting in the Oval Office."

That's interesting, since I was involved in the movement since before 2004-- or before I even knew he existed.
As proven here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9cXwlDt6VU , each state is a popularly sovereign nation unto itself, by law; and the Constitution was to be enforced thereby according to James Madison. All unions between the states were strictly VOLUNTARY, just the UN or the EU; that's just a fact of history; if you don't like it, you can go sulk in a corner, but your defamation by playing the race-card is simply an act of abject criminal psychosis.
07:09 AM on 12/23/2012
Sarah has her historical facts wrong. The secessionist movement has been around long before Mr. Obama was even a thought among the American left ....
02:15 PM on 01/14/2013
I was quoting the first sentence from the article. See the quotation-marks?
12:11 AM on 01/25/2013
I never said otherwise, try reading with your eyes open.
10:22 AM on 12/15/2012
Check this out...there might be more problems than expected.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secession-Mill-Valley-ebook/dp/B00ADXNQO6
09:35 AM on 12/14/2012
My opinions about the men are based on how well they treated their men and women, while in war, and when coming back. I can honestly say, that in my experience, G.W. Bush, respected our warriors much more than B.H. Obama....
09:34 AM on 12/14/2012
You see it throughout history all the time. Countries fracture and fragment. Has the U.S. finally gotten to the point of fracture? We certainly are polarized enough (with no help from our elected officials to stop it). In fact, our elected officials have been pushing the polarization. Perhaps they want to make the greatest nation on the earth crumble? Everyone ask yourself, are you truly happy living in a society where they take from the middle class to fuel everything else? Where they borrow from other countries, and spend more than they make? We all want to see our countries economics grow exponentially. But, just like in ecology, it can only do that for so long, it has to hit carrying capacity (level off). At that point the US will be breaking even. No one wants that, so they cause inflation, trying to keep us in the exponential/log phase...

Unfortunately you can only cause inflation for so long, before everything comes crashing down on your head and people get so ticked off that they want to leave. But not leave everything they have built for themselves. So, they resort to Secession.

I am all for states rights, I signed the petitions for Texas and Louisiana. To be told that I am racist for doing so is ignorant. I fought for this country twice in Afghanistan. Once under the Bush administration, and once under the Obama administration.
02:41 AM on 12/23/2012
"You see it throughout history all the time. Countries fracture and fragment. Has the U.S. finally gotten to the point of fracture? "

Corection: EMPIRES COLLAPSE. The US has technically been an empire since Lincoln, because that's when a republic of democratically free states became a forced dictatorship of supreme oligarchy and token choice. It's no accident that the robber-barons and rise of Big Government coincided with Lincoln, and that global expansion, intervention and communism followed soon after under the facade of "American Exeptionalism and making the world safe for democracy;" and likewise it was Hamilton who introduce the national debt and banking-systems.
As proven here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9cXwlDt6VU , each state is a sovereign nation by law; but when this fact was suppressed under Lincoln through mass-murder and formal censorship, the US became a dictatorial empire under a facade of freedom; and as JW Von Goethe observed, "there are no people more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsely believe that they are free."
02:09 PM on 12/05/2012
I agree completely with your title; "Secession Movement: It Is Neither Cute Nor Funny". But I disagree with you conclusion. Especially about me being a racist because I believe in secession. What is your proof? The USA has turned into a hopeless cause. We have passed a tipping point. Now that the majority of Americans know they can vote themselves free money the only end result possible is catastrophe as we enter an accelerating death spiral. I know you disagree with my conclusion and that's great. I would only suggest we put it to a vote.
02:50 AM on 12/23/2012
You underestimate the roots of racism as a political smear in America, since it dates back to providing the moral hypocrisy for Lincoln's illegal war against the sovereign American states. Here' Marx joined Lincoln in praising what he called "a war for the liberation of an enchained race," identical to the Proletarian facade of Marxist Pragmatism throughout the world by such figures as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh, all of whom cited the cause of "liberating the oppressed" in establishing dictatorial empires after the model of Lincoln.

As such, racism became a carte blanche in America to slaughter untold thousands, conquer sovereign nations and censor truth under a reign of terror, all under a Catch-22 that "secession is rebellion," which became a self-fulfilling prophecy for 150 years TO DATE as proven here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9cXwlDt6VU

So essentially the boy who cried "racist" has a national license to do so, and the people will keep running since it's the mascot of the Lincoln-empire under which we live.
06:44 PM on 12/04/2012
"Yes, indeed, "let's be clear." First, that you'll one day secede - as I did decades ago - because you will have no choice. The parasite who lives off you, the nation that has learned that it can vote for a living, a living at your expense, won't stop until you go where he can't reach you. The question now is not whether you fight, but when; now, when you still have a chance of success, or later when you have no chance.

Second, the people who yell "racist" like a baby bawls every time it's needs aren't met need racism desperately. Otherwise, the only ones left to blame for their state would be themselves. What these people are, to paraphrase Ralph Waldo Emerson, thunders so loudly that only they can hear what they would say to the contrary.

The reasons Texans want to secede are the same for which I did: When IRS destroyed my businems and family - not once, but twice - I moved to the wilderness. The move cost my enemy the United States - by his own figures - three million, fifty-one thousand dollars over the twenty-seven years I was completely unproductive. When government who buys votes paid for by voters with other people's money loses the revenue of states like Texas, it won't last six months.

It's time to end rule by parasite. Secede!
02:52 AM on 12/23/2012
You're confusing secession with expatriation; the difference is that with secession you take your state WITH you, just like if a nation left the UN or the EU.
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jeffbwillis
07:51 AM on 12/03/2012
The author is obviously not familiar with the Antebellum South's "Perfect Society" theory. Here's an overview:

"Every citizen, not matter how rich or poor, who their parents were, what their skin color might be, what religious preference they held, was one rung higher than the slave."

Revisionist historians have altered "Perfect Society's" meaning. They made it into a racist term. It was not. In modern times, we have "slaves" as well. They are "career entitlees." These are Americans who found that this option was better than becoming a member of the working poor. So, they staying on entitlements, because it was a better deal! They were "fruits" of LBJ's "Great Society of the 1960's.

Modern implementation of "Perfect Society" would take these Americans off the voter rolls.
Naturally, there are those who would suggest that such a path were racist. But, it has nothing to do with race! It is about "who has skin in the game?"

Secession has nothing to do with racism. The two are totally unrelated. The point to remember is that secession is a "safeguard against unwarranted encroachment by the Federal Government." These were the words of Judith H. Benjamin, Jefferson Davis' Attorney General. Benjamin, an practicing Jew was considered the finest legal mind in the south at that time.
08:56 AM on 12/02/2012
My biggest concern, if I were Texas, would be not only war with the US but also the fact that after a war with the US who will be there to protect them from Mexico??? The argument that they would have one of the top ten worlds largest military, suggests that they think they would keep the military that the US government claims.. Also, fighting a war in which many of their nationals already occupy your soil, is one that would be very hard to win.... Yes, you did it before, but with guns, swords and cannons. They claim this is a fight that is exacerbated by our national debt. What kind of debt would they have if they fought just one war with the largest military in the world??? The other mitigating factor here is that their automatic inclusion into the UN or trade with the rest of the world would be only accepted if the US was in favor. This would be a very, very hard hill to climb. Oh, and this comes from a Republican in one of the states that voted, 60%+ in favor of Romney.
02:54 AM on 12/23/2012
"My biggest concern, if I were Texas, would be not only war with the US but also the fact that after a war with the US who will be there to protect them from Mexico?"

From your lack of education, I'd say you were from New Jersey.
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Jeff Schweitzer
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10:29 PM on 11/28/2012
News flash to all secessionists. The Confederacy lost the Civil War. The Union won the war. You tried this once, and it did not end well. You tried, you lost, get over it.
02:55 AM on 12/23/2012
Newsflash to everyone else: IT WASN'T A CIVIL WAR.

Watch it and weep. Then get your facts straight and you might learn a clue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9cXwlDt6VU
10:30 PM on 01/12/2013
Yes, Lady The more You want to spin and put videos or right winger articles on Conspiracies and blah, blah and blah. The War was about Slavery, Yes The South's rights to keep slaves and You Lost and would lost again, Case closed. The south is the most poorest region in the Nation, no spin. Source, Wall street Journal- a Right winger rag
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Robert Buttons
01:09 PM on 11/28/2012
"Our political discourse would return to the center with no anti-science, anti-intellectual, religiously intolerant extremists to skew the debate."

There are just as many anti-science folks on the left. Most typically found in education, usually with weak evidence spouting claims of:
--Early childhood education (ie head start) significantly improves outcomes, across the board.
--Education funding is proportional to outcomes
--All children are inherently equal in ability (for an excellent refutation see The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, Pinker 2002.)

Then we have liberal "scientists" that just flat out fake data to push their progressive agenda, Stephen Jay Gould is most notable.

Finally, the loony left--crystals, feng shui, etc shows anti-science is not a disease confined to republicans