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Jennifer Grayson

Jennifer Grayson

Posted: December 9, 2009 11:20 AM

Eco Etiquette: Help! My Dad Doesn't Believe In Global Warming

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My father is an extremely intelligent man, and I respect his advice about a lot of things. I'm embarrassed to admit, however, that he's a global warming denier. I've tried to change his mind, but he just doesn't want to listen. How can I get my father to come around on climate change?

-AJ

Your dad isn't the only one who's going to need some serious convincing: The number of Americans who believe global warming is real has fallen from 80 to 72 percent in the past year. This, all before emails from climate scientists at the University of East Anglia were stolen and subsequently leaked, raising questions about the integrity of the scientists' global warming data. Add to that the ensuing "Climategate" frenzy by the cable news talking heads, who often seem more interested in sound bytes than exploring the nuance of any given issue, and the result is a population divided into believers and deniers.

But some think there's more to consider. To understand where your father is coming from, I turned to a family member of mine who is a scientist, environmentalist, and one of the most brilliant people I know. He also happens to be skeptical (his words, not mine) that we fully understand the science of climate. Here's what he had to say:

My conclusion here is not that the prevailing climate change theories are necessarily wrong. But I have always been skeptical that we understand how our planet works to the extent some believe that we do, which is a subtle, but different assertion than saying I do not believe in man-made climate change.... Science of natural phenomenon (chemistry, physics, how the human body works, climate, etc.) is very very complicated.... In every other realm of science we always discover that our earlier models of nature are usually incomplete or wrong at first, and find that continued scientific inquiry improves our models and understanding. Since the science is young, I am skeptical of anyone who claims to understand it fully and with uncanny certitude...

He went on to say that the world should focus on more tangible environmental solutions than creating carbon trading schemes, like stopping factories from dumping waste in our water and developing clean energy technologies that reduce our dependence on oil.

And that's when the light bulb went off: I had wrongly assumed that anyone who doesn't fully embrace the science of global warming must be an anti-environmentalist, throwing McDonald's wrappers out the window of a Hummer on the way to her job at ExxonMobil.

Your dad's probably not that bad, but how can you sway him nonetheless? You could use scare tactics, sending your father photos of drowning polar bears and articles about London being underwater by the year 2100. You could also take the scientific approach, pointing out that leading climatologist Dr. Stephen Schneider has long since debunked his own 1971 theory about global cooling. Neither approach is likely to work. Why? Well, you say your father is an intelligent man, so I'm assuming he knows how to use the internet, just like I do. It's not that he doesn't have access to the information; it's that he either isn't listening, or has already listened and simply doesn't agree.

But I believe there's an environmentalist in all of us -- whether it's the hunter who doesn't want to see forest converted into a shopping mall or the truck driver who thinks his rig runs better on biofuel -- and if we make the issue about climate change and climate change only, we lose the opportunity to involve your father and that other 28 percent in the solutions. So put down the global warming gun for a second and focus on other environmental ills that could bring your father into the fold. Does he love to go to the beach in the summer? Tell him about how our addiction to bottled water is creating a monstrous patch of garbage in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas. Is he worried about swine flu? Talk about how unsanitary conditions in factory farmscan create breeding grounds for pandemic viruses like H1N1.

By focusing on the environment and pollution, rather than just asking him to check a box that says either "yes" or "no" next to climate change, you'll be empowering your dad to make a difference, and here's our little secret: If your father switches to tap water and reduces his meat consumption for the above reasons, he'll also inadvertently be reducing the greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming, whether he believes in it or not (bottling water in the US produces more than 2.5 million tons of CO2 a year; livestock farming is responsible for 18 percent of the world's GHG emissions). It may not be as satisfying as getting your father to jump ship, but what do you care about more: being right or actually making a difference?

If we let people categorize themselves as deniers or believers, then the conversation is over. We can't afford to let the destruction of the environment become a politicized, polarized issue. Mankind's survival is at stake, and we need everyone on board.

Send all your eco-inquiries to Jennifer Grayson at eco.etiquette@gmail.com. Questions may be edited for length and clarity.

 

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My father is an extremely intelligent man, and I respect his advice about a lot of things. I'm embarrassed to admit, however, that he's a global warming denier. I've tried to change his mind, but he j...
My father is an extremely intelligent man, and I respect his advice about a lot of things. I'm embarrassed to admit, however, that he's a global warming denier. I've tried to change his mind, but he j...
 
 
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LickDaCat
Ultra Genius
07:49 PM on 12/31/2009
I have an IQ of over 180 and I know for a fact that global warming caused by man does not exist. The activity of the Sun controls the Earth's temperature. The entire scam was conceived for the purpose of stealing money from every person on earth to support a new unelected world dictatorship. If a reduction in CO2 is desired, it can be achieved voluntarily by gradually reducing carbon output by switching over to other forms of energy. Quadrupling our energy rates and the prices of everything we consume will do nothing but destroy our economy and reduce our standard of living to a third world level while making our criminal rulers filthy rich. These same people also want to quickly reduce the population of the world by 90%. This would also cut carbon emissions dramatically. The Bilderberg group wants you dead and they will do it if you fall for this scam.

I cannot understand why anybody would want to destroy our nation and their own standard of living for something that does not exist. The science has not been settled as there was no debate. The elite had too much to lose to allow a debate to take place. Just take your damn vaccination and shut up.
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Organic-Guy
Organic Gardener, Carpenter, Philosopher, Agitator
12:03 AM on 12/29/2009
Most of the deniars I've spoken too are just living in fear. When I talk to them I find that most of their thinking is fear based. Not afraid of anything in particular but they seem to just have fear in their system and it drives them to some very unhealthy thinking and actions. Fear just does that to us most of the time.
Doubt as your friend expressed can be healthy. Doubt can lead you to the truth if applied to the pursuit of more knowledge and understanding. Fear warps our thinking and stops the conversation as near as I can tell. Maybe that innate fear i see in people is some primal force or maybe it's environmental, developed over time. I'm not sure.
What I found can work to change minds is to put a person at ease by first, not blaming them for the problem directly as if they are bad people. Reassuring them that we are all in this together. We all got here together and will get out together and that there are solutions helps.
Some will never even try to understand and they are a small group I think. I generally remain silent when I find myself around that type. I don't want to squander my energy yelling at stones.
01:28 PM on 12/12/2009
you can also feed your dad, via email conversations, little 90-second reports on climate change, so that he gets a feel for understanding the concept and its implications, rather than trying to corner him into your camp. They offer not only insight on current news about the consequences and solutions to climate change, but teachable moments. Check out the ones that you think might strike a chord with him and send him a weekly email that brings it to his attention. Make it an ongoing conversation. The new Climate Change Reports can be streamed at:

www.CoolTheEarth.US/climate-report.php
03:00 PM on 12/10/2009
"And that's when the light bulb went off: I had wrongly assumed that anyone who doesn't fully embrace the science of global warming must be an anti-environmentalist, throwing McDonald's wrappers out the window of a Hummer on the way to her job at ExxonMobil."

Well, that's quite an epiphany.
11:06 AM on 12/11/2009
hehehehee good one
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graffitijoe
snowballs chance n SoCal
09:23 AM on 12/10/2009
Isn't there a way to report him to the White House, or was that just for Public Health Care deniers?
08:28 AM on 12/10/2009
He will soon enough.
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12:34 AM on 12/10/2009
" ... if we make the issue about climate change and climate change only, we lose the opportunity to involve your father and that other 28 percent in the solutions."

Exactly. One can engage in thoughtful debate on the issue of climate change without making the mistake of boxing up people as either environmentally-responsible savers or polluting, littering wasters. Most people are somewhere on the continuum between.
05:02 PM on 12/10/2009
Or flat eathers or deniers...
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11:28 PM on 12/09/2009
Well, don't feel bad. Both son and daughter, and son-in-law, don't believe in climate change and don't want to be bothered with facts. I know I must have failed somewhere, probably because I raised them in republican heaven.

Of course they and particularly their children, my grandchildren, will be the one's to face the consequences.
11:10 AM on 12/11/2009
What facts?
I have an open mind on this but I've seen nothing that would make me feel that global warming is real.
Give me some facts and name your sources so that I can contact them.
I'll bet I recieve no facts or data to back them up.
11:17 PM on 12/09/2009
First, don't argue with your parents..you can never win:)

Second, we are at Solar Minimum right now which means that the Sun is generating LESS not more energy.

Thrid, you need to consider the fact that Venus is a twin of Earth but has an atmosphere 90 times as dense as our own.

Surface temps hover around 900 degrees F actually hotter than Mercury.
10:09 PM on 12/09/2009
Here's a more direct approach: Write him off (with regard to this issue, anyway). It's a waste of energy to try to convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. What's really going to matter are big-picture solutions conducted on a very large scale--if we can get to it in time. I'd probably bet against it, given the typical human tendency to wait until an emergency is undeniable before doing anything about it. Particularly those who are more or less insulated against climatic perception (in affluent nations, not living outside, in climate-controlled environments, etc.) are likely to minimize the signs until they actually run the train off the tracks.
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05:28 PM on 12/09/2009
I question anthro-warming as well and unfortunately that makes me a "warming denier" in the eye's many AGW proponents. Science, the study of the natural world, requires questioning past and current scientific tenets in order to refine or refute them. Claiming "the debate is over" is a decidedly unscientific approach and ironically, those who scream it the loudest also tend to call anyone questioning AGW a "flat earther".
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Elliptical
10:33 PM on 12/09/2009
Questioning without knowledge is arrogance. Not taking a position because you don't have all the facts or you don't have the expertise to analyze the data, that's common sense. Unfortunately, ignoring the risk is not an option when we may have changes involving the entire planet.
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12:29 PM on 12/10/2009
Rethink that one. "Questioning without knowledge" and "Not taking a position because you don't have all the facts or you don't have the expertise to analyze the data" are the same. But one is arrogant and one is common sense? The terms aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm an armchair enthusiast of the AGW issue. I'm confident I've read through more of the data than most laymen who've already made up their minds. Some of it is indeed conflicting. This is why I've yet to draw a conclusion. That's common sense. Remember, it's not about whether or not the climate changes. It's about what drives climate change.
10:57 PM on 12/09/2009
Try watching the weather reports this winter...

Notice that Cities are warmer than the surrounding countryside.
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11:23 AM on 12/11/2009
That's right...it's called the Urban Heat Island effect. It's about land use, not co2
05:24 PM on 12/09/2009
I think you should just tell your dad that the debate is over. Everyone believes global warming is manmade.
07:37 PM on 12/09/2009
It's best not to lie to your parents!
02:00 PM on 12/11/2009
I always want to know who ended the debate? Isn't that the point of Science to prove a theory by disproving other theories?
04:25 PM on 12/09/2009
The arguments about climate change and global warming can go on forever--and probably will. But in the meantime, every human being on this planet who can make a single change in his/her daily habits is mired in distraction. I thank Ms. Grayson for always urging us to leave the larger philosohpical issues behind, stop niggling about the minutae, and "get granular." In other words, wihile we're waiting for the final word on who's right and who's wrong we may very well be losing opportunities we may never get back. Yes, that Dad may be correct about global warming--but he may not be. Or he may be half right or 20 percent right. Do we want to do nothing in the interim when it is so darn easy to do something? C'mon people, pitch in and do your part. Just in case our world is going to be irrevocably different tomorrow.
03:27 PM on 12/09/2009
Filling the space in a double-pane window with CO2 instead of air increases its thermal conductance (R-value) without changing its solar heat gain coefficient (SHGC). Therefore, the same amount of heat enters the building through solar radiation, but less heat can escape through conductance.

The trouble with global warming theory is that there are too many variables. In addition to the greenhouse effect, there are solar, geological, and biological effects that also influence climate. There are also non-greenhouse pollutants that lower the effective SHGC of the atmosphere.

But when you remove all the other variables and consider the simple example of the CO2-filled window, the warming effect of atmospheric CO2 becomes tangible and even obvious.

A confluence of other phenomena may counteract or even overwhelm the greenhouse effect, so there may not be global warming in spite of the warming affect of increased CO2 concentrations.

So temperature is not the best argument for a low-carbon economy.

The best argument is resource conservation -- preserving fossil hydrocarbons for the future.

The second-best argument is that, regardless of whether the climate is changing, the composition of the atmosphere certainly is, as the concentration of CO2 has surged 38% since 1750 after remaining essentially constant for the previous 10,000 years.
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hark
04:03 PM on 12/09/2009
The climate is changing. Temperatures are rising. Glaciers are melting. Animals and vegetation are reacting.

We don't have to understand all the dynamics to know that humans are causing this. We don't understand exactly what is going to happen, but it whatever it is, it is going to happen and it is unlikely to be pleasant, or to stabilize until all the factors influencing climate have become roughly stable.

We can be skeptical about the models. We can throw them all out. But we are upsetting the equilibrium of the earth's atmosphere in a major way over a short period of time. That is a recipe for dramatic and volatile change. Even worse, unpredictable change.

We act as if it is good news that the scientists can't really predict the future consequences. It's not. We'd be much better off if we knew precisely what was going to happen, so we could counteract it, defend against the consequences. But it's much too complex for that.

Let us not conclude that since science can't tell us what is going to happen precisely, that we can safely ignore the dire warnings scientists are giving us, which seems to be the gist of the post.
11:07 PM on 12/09/2009
What happens when you add a blanket to your bed? That extra blanket traps more heat in just the same way as if you add more gas to any atmosphere.

The thicker your atmosphere the warmer it gets.
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11:30 PM on 12/09/2009
Bottom line, there are just too darn many of us by at least a factor of 3.
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
04:24 PM on 12/09/2009
I think it's very clear where we are going. The earth will heat and average temperatures will ultimately rise in most places.

What isn't clear is the exact course of events this year and the next and whether certain positive feedback mechanisms will kick in and raise the final output substantially.
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constitutional 1
Reductio ad absurdum
03:03 PM on 12/09/2009
Evironmentalism and conservation are one thing, government/corperations getting rich forcing everyone into a artificial carbon economy is something completely different.
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hark
04:08 PM on 12/09/2009
Oh stop with the paranoia about government, your government, by the way.

This is a serious issue and demands thoughtful discourse on the part of all of us, not recitations of mindless right wing talking points.

This is a very complex issue as well. It is not reducible to political platitudes.
05:22 PM on 12/09/2009
hark, you need to stop and listen to what constitutional 1 is saying, and stop being so dismissive; there is a lot to what constitutional 1 is saying. Jennifer Grayson wrote a smart post. For ANYONE to claim the young science of climate change is settled is way too early to make that claim. You need to verify on your own how the IPCC works (check their ABOUT page) and how it handles the volunteer scientific work that it brings in. You need to identify the leading scientists on both side of the fence and look at where they are getting their data. Is it computer model only? Is it empirical?

There's a lot to consider.

Again, Ms. Grayson, that was a smart post. I mean, who the hell can argue with cleaning our streams and rivers, air, and ending pollution.