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Is the 2012 Republican Primary Just Like the 2008 Democratic Primary?

Posted: 02/17/2012 3:52 pm

Republicans like to say their current primary fight is "just like" the 2008 primary between Obama and Clinton -- but it's just wishful thinking.

Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, Michele Bachmann and others think a bruising battle toughens the victor, and is "just like" the Obama-Clinton race in 2008. But there are important differences between the two elections, some that may create difficulties for the eventual GOP nominee.

Democratic voters were satisfied with their options, Republican are not: In January 2008, NBC/WSJ found 81% of Democrats satisfied with their options for president. However, this week's CNN/ORC poll found only 55% of Republicans satisfied, with 44% dissatisfied. And this is not a new or unique finding. In this volatile race, dissatisfaction among GOP voters is one of the only constants (CBS/NYT trend data).

Given this dissatisfaction with the field, the eventual nominee may have a tougher time uniting his base than Obama did in 2008.

Democrats were excited and turned out in record numbers, Republicans have not: the enthusiasm that propelled Republicans to majority control of the House in 2010 has not carried over to 2012. Just 38% of Republican primary voters are "more enthusiastic" about voting in 2012 than in previous elections. In 2008, 58% of Democratic primary voters were more excited about voting than usual.

In another key indicator of enthusiasm, voter turnout, this year's Republicans again lag behind Democrats in 2008. Democrats smashed turnout records in Iowa, New Hampshire, and several other states. This year, Republican turnout has lagged with fewer out to vote in Nevada, Wisconsin and Florida than in 2008. (Talking Points Memo put together this map tracking 2012 turnout.)

The Republican candidates' images are deteriorating; Obama's and Clinton's did not: NBC/WSJ polling in early 2008 shows Obama and Clinton net-favorable among voters nationwide despite their bitter primary fight. The same is not true for current GOP contenders. Romney and Gingrich's negatives have jumped in recent months, and this week Pew found none of the remaining GOP candidates are net-favorable (something true in CBS/NYT polling last month, and Margie covered here).

Clinton & Obama faced less pressure to prove they were "severely liberal": because similar numbers of Democrats found both Clinton and Obama "liberal," neither faced pressure to outflank the other on the left. (Recall on health care Obama successfully positioned himself to Clinton's right.) But the GOP field has devoted significant time trying to "out-conservative" one another, whether on contraception, immigration, climate change (it's a "phony mess" ), or even the very word "conservative." Their movement to the right could prove problematic this fall as they try to woo general election voters.

Pundits like to put things in perspective by making comparisons to the recent past. In the sports world right now, the comparison is Jeremy Lin to Tim Tebow -- both are former benchwarmers who led their teams on improbable win-streaks, right? Yes, but if you dig deeper the similarities end there.

The same is true of comparisons between the 2008 and 2012 primary battles. Yes, both saw months of bitter inter-party fighting before a nominee emerged. But differences between the two elections abound, many of which could spell trouble for Republicans in the fall.

 
 
 
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
07:51 PM on 02/21/2012
No Barrack Obama and Hilary Clinton are nothing like these clowns. They never were, and never will be.
05:48 PM on 02/20/2012
Now I understand why we are in this mess!!! Reading these blogs of so-called intellectuals praising Obama...He was completely unqualified for the Job and it shows...Get out of New York and see what is going on in this country...We are imploding!!! do you really believe those unemployment numbers? Aren't you watching how this administration is destroying capitalism? I wish you were in Budapest with me at the end of communism, or currently talking to clients who fled South Africa...they see what this Obama is doing and they are terrified...you all better wake-up unless you own land to farm and can hunt for your supper ...Obama is screwing all of you intellectuals
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NaaJane
Obama 2012. Four more For Forty-Four
12:21 AM on 02/21/2012
Your friends fled south Africa after blacks gained political power. Not surprised they are not excited about BO.
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
07:55 PM on 02/21/2012
Oh really can't you see that the Republicans will do nothing for anyone in this country except the very wealthy. Obama has tried like heck to get this economy going and is doing pretty good job with all the Republican obstruction. Since you are insinuating that he is communist you might want to read a something on the subject. He is not a communist. If you ever collect Medicare or Social Security that might leave you as a Socialist.
05:15 PM on 02/20/2012
You are so right! The Democrats dilemma in 2008 was that they had outstanding candidates. The Republicans dilemma this year is that there is not one oustanding candidate. It's the difference beiween "all of the above" and "none of the above."
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04:58 PM on 02/20/2012
No, the GOP primary is nothing like 08, and here's why. Even though candidates Obama and Clinton were in a knockdown drag out fight, because folks were completely fed up with eight years of Republican rule, a Democrat was going to occupy the White House without a doubt. Now, the GOP primary, more than likely, will be a long slog, but here’s the difference, because of three years of Republican obstructionism on red bull and steroids, folks are more fed up with Republicans today than they were in 08. So no matter who emerges victorious out of this dysfunctional GOP primary, a Democrat will still occupy the White House in 2012, but folks must realize that keeping a Democrat in the White House is only part of the equation or there will be more of the same obscenity we’ve put up with for three years. The composition of Congress must drastically be changed, meaning allot more Dems, allot less Republicans and zero Tea Partiers, seriously.
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12:51 PM on 02/20/2012
The Democratic primary of 2008 had huge turnouts-though divided, everyone was excited and proud of their own candidates; and they were excited and proud of their eventual choice.
The GOP primary of 2012 has had low turnouts-numbers easily manipulated by a few haters. In the battle for those haters, the lowest common denominator among them, the candidates are going to negative extremes, sinking so low in their desperation-they should be ashamed. Their voters may feel the need to take a shower after supporting the eventual choice.
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studioh!
just.words.
12:43 PM on 02/20/2012
all their candidates are "severely" challenged I'd say
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ez14livin
12:08 PM on 02/20/2012
out-conservative one another...

let's get the abbreviation correct and call it what it is: trying to out con each other (and the "base")
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11:52 AM on 02/20/2012
The choices from the republicans are so abysmal and pathetic, it is proof God exists and that He is a non-Christian democrat. comforting, really.
SoulOfWit
Brevity, by any other name
11:14 AM on 02/20/2012
The autor left unsaid the biggest difference between 2008 and 2012: Obama and Clinton were BOTH qualified to be the President of the United States.
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01:40 PM on 02/20/2012
I think many Democrats and progressives would disagree with you. I do not believe that Hillary Clinton was qualified.
SoulOfWit
Brevity, by any other name
12:55 PM on 02/22/2012
And yet she's a phenomenal Secretary of State. I am a progressive. Neither Obama nor Clinton are progressives. They're both quite moderate.
10:30 AM on 02/20/2012
Clinton and Obama didn't have ads where they attacked each other personally like the GOP candidates have been doing. Consequently, when the primaries were over there were hard feelings, but not intense animosity like the GOP will have. Sure there was talk of the PUMAs (Party Unity My A$$) who didn't want to reconcile with the party after Clinton lost, but it didn't last like it will with the GOP.
09:46 AM on 02/20/2012
The Republicans are in trouble in the fall regardless, but to say it is because of the tough primary battle they are putting each other through is unlikely. The primary reason is that none of the candidates excite more than a small group of followers. Moreover, none of them are Conservative. If they were, they would want government to butt out of everything, including our private lives. Government should only be involved where it is absolutely necessary to keep one American (or group of) from trouncing the rights of another (group).

One big mistake that Reagan made was to accept the support of the Religious Right. Carter was their golden boy; their born again candidate. But Carter let them down on the social issues front and Reagan, without wooing their support, played the Religious Right's game of Red Rover. Reagan never gave them much on the social spectrum either (in fact, he passed pro-choice legislation as CA governor), but they loved his tough talk on communism.

When Bush 1 ran for prez, he boldly courted the Religious Right endorsement and thus began the GOP's downward spiral into religious fanaticism. There is nothing conservative about it and none of these candidates are conservative because of it. If they would only tell the RR to go to H then Conservative Democrats and independants might play their own game of Red Rover.
05:03 PM on 02/22/2012
There is, in fact one candidate who is Conservative, according to your definition in the first paragraph.
05:46 AM on 02/23/2012
Ron Paul is not a candidate; he is a pest. And his position on national security leave him short of conservatism. Sorry.
08:36 AM on 02/20/2012
The biggest difference between the Dems in 08 and the Repubs today are the candidates. Obama and Clinton are intelligent people. Romney, Santorum and Newt are mindless panderers to the lowest common denominators in their base. Paul is an intelligent man, but no matter what he trys to say, he's a Libertarian, not a Republican.
09:48 AM on 02/20/2012
And why he runs as a Republican is what blows his credibility.
prudencehall
Dear Prudence...
08:30 AM on 02/20/2012
The Republicans are becoming famous for their near-continuous statements of false equivalency. Like whiny children, "but... but... the Democrats..."
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Cynthia Shore
Roses have thorns.. truth is beautiful but hurts.
06:58 AM on 02/20/2012
Voters are very unsatisfied with Obama ... That should be enough
09:50 AM on 02/20/2012
Sure, that should be enough. Unfortunately, to reject Obama means to turn back to those we previously rejected. What a lovely, yet insufficient choice we have to make.
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den1953
The best politicians are for free!
10:00 AM on 02/20/2012
So Republicans are satisfied with anyone but Romney that is reassuring!
03:56 AM on 02/20/2012
This is good. I hope they kill each other during the primary fight.
09:50 AM on 02/20/2012
And I bet you are against the death penalty.