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Posted: July 19, 2010 02:58 PM

Kathy Griffin, and Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

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Comedian Kathy Griffin, on her Bravo show "My Life On The D-List," spoofed Sarah Palin's schooling in world affairs with index cards by having CNN's John King and Dana Bash school her on Washington politicos. A picture of Senator Scott Brown yielded the comment, "He's a senator from Massachusetts, and his daughters are prostitutes." This was followed by a quick disclaimer, in Griffin's voice, from "the Bravo legal department," that said that the girls are "not prostitutes. We now return to our previously scheduled negativity."

Conservative outrage followed, including a statement from Brown: "People can call me any name they want, but families are off limits... Kathy Griffin and Bravo ought to be ashamed of themselves."

Perhaps the source of Griffin's comment was Brown's own statement that his lovely daughters are "available." Griffin's "disclaimer" immediately showed that she was kidding. But whatever, it was just a lame comment on a silly TV show and Brown could have just let it slide and it would have gone away. But no, he had to express righteous indignation. Conservatives have no sense of humor about themselves, which is reason #1 they aren't funny.

Brown is right that families should be off-limits. Thus, Obama's daughters, John McCain's and Sarah Palin's children should be. But conservatives have no problem going after said children when they feel like it. Glenn Beck trashed Obama's daughters, then offered a phony apology. Rush Limbaugh referred to Chelsea Clinton as the "White House dog." In the 2000 primaries, a smear campaign whispered that one of McCain's daughters, adopted from Bangladesh, was his illegitimate black child. Which is the #2 reason conservatives aren't funny: they refuse to admit when they're hypocrites.

However, when a politician's family member puts themselves in the public eye, they are most definitely not off-limits. Bristol Palin is all over the place -- on the cover of US Weekly, shopping a reality series and acting in a TV show like she took lessons from Paris Hilton -- so she has officially become comedy fodder. Sarah Palin had better get ready.

On a recent "O'Reilly Factor," host Monica Crowley and guest Greg Gutfield, host of Fox News' "Red Eye," roundly trashed Griffin and how unfunny she is, as if they are both the comedy police. "Red Eye" is a show where Gutfield throws out topics to guests so desperate to be on TV that they will appear on "Red Eye," who then make snarky comments, usually trashing liberals. Which is reason #3: conservatives can only "joke" about liberals, usually with a personal insult.

Reason #4 is that conservatives don't seem to know how to actually write a good joke. A glance at Gutfield's website, DailyGut.com, showcases Gutfield's own joke writing skills. He refers to Griffin thusly: "She's adopted the shellacked look of a botoxed, frill-necked lizard -- but that just insults all the other shellacked frill-necked lizards out there." Again, reason #3: a personal insult, not a joke, and a hack premise done a million times. If he wanted to make a joke like that, while trashing liberals, "She's adopted the shellacked look of a botoxed, frill-necked lizard -- but enough about Nancy Pelosi" would have worked better.

He also writes, "I know end tables with more guts," a line that he repeated on "O'Reilly." This is not funny on a basic joke construction level, since an end table has nothing to do with guts. To work, a joke has to have something at the beginning relate to the end, as in classics like Phyllis Diller's "My husband wanted to play peek-a-boo. He peeked and booed" or Rodney Dangerfield's "My wife, what a cook. I didn't know toast had bones." If Gutfield had said something like, "I know disemboweled anorexics with more guts," he would have been on the right track.

Also, Gutfield has adopted a tag line he repeats over and over again, a variation on "And if you disagree with me, you sir are worse than Hitler." At the end of each of his rants he posts one of these, but can't even be bothered to vary them all that much. Here they are, from one page on his site, unedited: "And if you disagree with me, you probably shop at Walmart dressed as Hitler." "And if you disagree with me, you're a racist homophobe who builds Wal-marts on native american buriel sites." "And if you disagree with me, you're a racist, spoiled, homophobic Obama-hating child." "And if you disagree with me, you're a racist homophobe fan of McDonalds." "And if you disagree with me, you're a racist homophobic Nazi." That's lazy writing at its zenith, which is reason #5: Conservatives think we're stupid and won't notice.

Gutfield's book has this review on its cover: "Greg Gutfield is the funniest person on TV. Read this book immediately and see for yourself. - Ann Coulter." There you have reason #6: Ann Coulter.

Memo to Gutfield: You have your own TV show and I don't, so good for you, but if you're going to judge what's funny, write better jokes.

To a true comedian, nothing is sacred. Which is reason #7: to conservatives, altogether too much is sacred: God, family, country, "traditional values," the free market, Christianity, and so on. Conservatives are congenitally unable to joke about these things, especially themselves and their values (reason #1). Joke about Christians and conservatives scream, "blasphemy." Joke about Sarah Palin and they shout, "liberal bias." Joke about the tea party movement and they yell, "Socialist!"

There is plenty of liberal hypocrisy out there, and liberal comics have no problem exposing it. Watch any "Daily Show" or listen to Lewis Black's skewering of Bill Clinton to see this. Liberal comics have had a field day with John Edwards. Conservatives never go after their own. They are all in the same put-upon club, holding on tight to their precious "values" for dear life against ravages of the horrible "liberal media" out to get them.

Conservatives also provide much more fodder for comedy: Sarah Palin's proximity to Russia, Larry Craig's "wide stance," Mark Sanford's hiking of the Appalachian trail, and on and on. George W. Bush made so many hilarious malapropisms that entire books were published quoting them. Barack Obama simply doesn't make similar statements. The minute he does, we'll joke about them. Comedian Rick Crom has a great Obama joke: "Obama takes so long to do things, when he pardoned the Thanksgiving turkey, by the time he finished it was a sandwich."

Finally, reason #8: comedy usually afflicts the powerful and empowers the afflicted. Conservatives afflict the afflicted: poor blacks are lazy welfare criminals, gays destroy the family, feminists are ugly and kill innocent babies, Muslims will kill you, the unemployed are spoiled and lazy. Don't even start on Mexicans. Only conservatives are good people and everyone else is trying to destroy America. That's not exactly a philosophy that lends itself to knee-slapping hilarity.

Memo to Kathy Griffin: Love you, but write better jokes.

Memo to conservatives (and politically correct liberals): Lighten the $#%! up.


 

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Lalita Amos
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01:57 AM on 08/11/2010
The people on this thread who are flagging comments as "abusive" simply because they disagree have proven the point of the article.

Thanks, ever so much.
08:20 PM on 07/22/2010
Let the masses decide who is funny - Limbaugh has 20,000,000 fans, and sells more books the author David. Of course liberals are 'hip' , and 'get it'. They are intellegent, worldly-wise, and can give 8 erudite reasons why they are funny. They only lack an audience.
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07:07 PM on 07/23/2010
LLenantra,
The post was about teh funny, not teh number of fans a fool can have if they're extremely lucky and prey upon teh fears of an unfunny horde of nay-saying curmudgeons.

To know "funny" is not the same as knowing how to write (or deliver) a funny joke.

20,000,000 fans and Limbaugh still dishes out the same old tired, unfunny, politically motivated, mean-spirited, hateful schtick that his misguided, whining horde of toadies soak up like sponges.

My reply to you, while no indication that you've a fan in me, is indicative that you have/had an audience of one.
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NatashaYahnee
04:03 PM on 07/22/2010
But if she writes better jokes, she won't be a "D-List" comedian anymore ;-)
12:08 PM on 07/22/2010
My 2 cents: Conservatives have no sense of humor because to see humor you need 1) creativity - the ability to see the world thru a new lens and 2) intelligence, for which humor is the greatest indicator.

I've always preferred smart people in large part because they are simply funnier!
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ChrisDWard
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01:07 AM on 07/24/2010
Well stated!!! Fanned!
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Jeff Norman
01:37 PM on 07/21/2010
I agree conservatives tend to be unfunny, but liberals often appoint themselves to the Comedy Police Department and express righteous indignation when offended. For example, liberals threw Randi Rhodes under the bus after she called Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro political whores, and liberals led the effort to get Don Imus fired after he made disparaging comments about basketball players.

Media Matters is a an organization made up of prissy liberals who devote themselves to monitoring and rebuking offensive jokes and commentary.

“To a true comedian, nothing is sacred.”

Indeed. But when Imus and Rhodes were attacked, most comedians either joined the mob or remained silent.
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Jim David
12:10 AM on 07/22/2010
You are correct. But in my experience, conservatives get offended a lot more than liberals.

I wrote a post on Imus about the whole basketball thing in '07 -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-david/don-imus-hes-not-alone_b_45739.html
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LintLass
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06:56 PM on 07/22/2010
Conservatives have a tendency to think simply calling people names or attacking their character constitutes 'funny.' Which isn't a matter of what's 'sacred:' when Randi used that word, it didn't sound to me like we were meant to laugh, either, it was angry and not exactly civil language, used to refer to someone who's being politically-mercenary, not to claim they were sexworkers or any such.

As for what Imus thinks is 'funny,' well, I didn't realize he was supposed to be a comedian, anyway. But 'insults' and 'jokes' aren't the same thing by definition, even if conservatives who let overt racism slip say it is.

One thing about humor is, there has to be some truth to it, too, ...insults don't always have that.
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Jeff Norman
10:41 PM on 07/22/2010
As a comedy fan, I appreciate and agree with the distinctions you cite, but my point is that none of the speech we’re discussing should be punishable.

It’s just quibbling over semantics to say Imus doesn’t do comedy. He obviously is an irreverent wiseass whom some people think is funny. That he’s not our cup of tea, or not a comedian in the strictest sense of the word, is beside the point. He was doing his improvisational act, and failed. So what? He shouldn’t lose his job just because irrational busybodies decided he violated some nonexistent rule.

According to attendees, Rhodes was doing standup comedy when she called Clinton and Ferraro whores. It shouldn’t matter whether or not the specific comment that got her into trouble was intended to be funny. Furthermore, it’s the same opinion she had previously expressed on the radio. The only difference was that she used harsher language in the nightclub. So again, irrational busybodies decided she violated a nonexistent rule. Since when is it unacceptable to mock a politician for being a phony careerist? Since when can’t a performer speak harshly in a nightclub?

When one makes judgments about whether or not material is funny enough to deserve protection, one is essentially policing comedy in the way Jim rebuked.
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11:17 AM on 07/21/2010
The reason conservatives aren't funny is because they lack any sense of the absurd, but have an over-developed need to be mean spirited and insulting and mistaking it for humor. It is the difference between pointing out that someone has done a stupid thing and calling someone stupid. They don't equate when it comes to humor. I also have noticed that if a conservative does say something that enlists a smile, they will glomp on to that minimal success and beat it into the ground with no sense of timing or context.

"Memo to Kathy Griffin:Love you, but write better jokes." She's trying, she really is, and I'm sure she would if she could.
11:01 AM on 07/21/2010
Glenn Beck stands out as a prime example of why conservatives aren't funny. The man calls himself as a humorist. He's a self-proclaimed rodeo clown. His roadshow is billed as a comedy show. Yet, it seems like most of his audience takes the man seriously. Clearly not funny.
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robiform
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07:04 PM on 07/20/2010
I find this post interesting and ironic. Why ironic? Because it's on the "comedy" page, and two posts above it is a post from that fount of conservative "Komedy", Laura Ingraham, who definitely personifies the theme that Jim David is promoting here. Namely, that conservatives are NOT funny! And if you need further proof that the right-wing knows bupkis about comedy consider the career of Dennis Miller, who is a great example of the term "has-been"!
05:22 PM on 07/20/2010
I remember that MSNBC's David Shuster was suspended in 2008 for stating that the Hillary Clinton campaign was "pimping out" daughter Chelsea during the primaries. DAVID WAS 100% RIGHT! Not to take anything away from Chelsea, who in her own right may be a fine person with interesting things to say on some subjects. But why was she up on a stage in front of crowds of people who wanted to listen to a CANDIDATE? I live north of Boston, and during presidential election years cross over the line to NH during the primaries. I don't want to hear from children, siblings or relatives: I want the person who is running to appear!
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johnnybic
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04:52 PM on 07/20/2010
On a much more important note, the few seconds of your set on "Last Comic Standing" was funnier than any of the finalists currently in line for the $250,000 prize. Who is the woman judge? Cathy Ladman was also hysterical. What's the deal, Jim?
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MsMassachusetts
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03:53 PM on 07/20/2010
Thank you Jim David for honing in on the issue clearly and concisely. A well crafted joke is a thing of beauty. But prepare yourself for the fundie "refudiation".
03:39 PM on 07/20/2010
How could anyone take her seriously? She dated (and more) Levi Johnston for the shameless publicity!
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MsMassachusetts
Things do not go better with Koch!
03:54 PM on 07/20/2010
Tuesdays at 10Pm on Bravo. Be there or be square!
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CJWebber
06:58 PM on 07/20/2010
What? Her 'love' for Levi Johnston was a shtick.

Jeez. You've proven the point of the article.
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02:14 PM on 07/20/2010
I doubt I'd have survived the Bush years without Jon Stewart and the Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Real Time with Bill Maher, et al. The pen is only mightier than the sword when it's wielded with wit—and the usual suspects on the right keep on proving that they're witless. Let's laugh 'em all into an early retirement.
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minerva117
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11:42 AM on 07/21/2010
I see there's a tr0// on this thread flagging all the comments agreeing with the author. HuffPo should have a mechanism for removing the ability to flag from people who abuse it, as this tr0// is clearly doing. Anyway I agree with you 100%, fanned!
12:09 PM on 07/20/2010
"Fundamentalism breeds a lack of irony"- Bill Hicks.

And he's right. The fundamentalist must, by their nature, take everything literally; that is, as absolute literal truth. Irony and nuance are lost on the fundamentalist because they are imcapable of interpreting words as something other than their direct literal meaning.

And that's why they suck at comedy.
12:13 PM on 07/22/2010
Think you got to the core of the issue. A literalist cannot shift his/her perception enough to understand irony or nuance. Explains why conservative "humor" tends to be juvenile and obvious.
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LMPE
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05:47 PM on 07/19/2010
Greg Gutfield, I know about Kathy Griffin. And you, sir, are no Kathy Griffin.