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Jim Lichtman

Jim Lichtman

Posted: May 3, 2010 12:04 AM

Maher vs. Stewart

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HBO and Comedy Central are missing a golden opportunity.

Rather than pair boxing champ Floyd Mayweather against ... whoever's left, they should match political, social satirist Jon Stewart against social, political satirist-commentator Bill Maher.

Billed as The Grumble in the Jungle (hey, it's marketing), it just might score major pay-per-view dollars.

Let's look at the stats:

Maher ranks 38th on Comedy Central's list of "100 Greatest Stand-Ups of All Time," Stewart is 41 (ooh, close Jon).

Stewart co-authored, America (the book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction.

Maher (single-handedly, mind you) authored the seminal work: When You Ride ALONE, You Ride with bin Laden: What the Government Should Be Telling Us to Help Fight the War on Rerrorism. Just in word count, alone, Maher wins.

Stewart hosted the 78th and 80th Academy Awards. Maher ... well, he was busy both nights.

Stewart's Daily Show has been nominated for a number of news and journalism awards.

Maher ... I think New Rules! was nominated for a Razzi, but lost out to the Kardashians.

On the issues:

Maher's wheelhouse is politicians, greed, gay marriage, the media, and religion. In fact, his recent documentary, Religulous provided Maher the perfect forum to rant about any and all faiths, doctrines, extremists and conservatives alike. Maher on Scientology: "You, like all religious people, have a neurological disorder. And the only reason why people think it's sane is because so many other people believe the same thing. It's sanity by consensus."

Stewart's specialty is chastising the media networks -- CNN, MSNBC, and his new favorite, FOX News. However, unlike the acerbic Maher, Stewart's affable nature allows him to draw out celebrity guests like agitated former CNN host Lou Dobbs into sharing details of his on-air departure. "Jon Klein, the president of CNN told me, point-blank," Dobbs said, "that the network was going to move away from advocacy journalism, that I practice and move toward something called middle-of-the-road journalism."

Stewart's response, "Are you sure it wasn't adult-contemporary journalism?"

When Representative John Dingell shared the storied history of his trusty wooden gavel, Stewart grabs the mallet, has trouble cracking walnuts saying, "Damn big government!"

What I like about both critics is their unique way of holding the mirror up to our nature; a nature that is both virtuous and contemptible.

And the lessons we come away with are valuable: 1) It's okay to question authority, especially when it's done in a smart-clever way that makes a point; 2) In looking for answers to big issues, sometimes we must start by tearing down the walls of hypocrisy and bullsh*t; and 3) When we take ourselves too seriously, Jon and Bill are always ready to puncture our pomposity.

You don't have to agree with Stewart or Maher, but they do make you think about the things we believe in. In that regard, both act as a contemporary Socrates, challenging the status quo, searching for truth behind the façade of the big and powerful.

If we're ever going to solve the issues that challenge the courage of our convictions, we all need to do a lot more critical thinking.

When he's not watching Maher and Stewart, Jim Lichtman writes and speaks on ethics to corporations, associations and schools. His commentaries can be found at www.ethicsStupid.com.

 
HBO and Comedy Central are missing a golden opportunity. Rather than pair boxing champ Floyd Mayweather against ... whoever's left, they should match political, social satirist Jon Stewart against s...
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06:11 PM on 05/04/2010
Maher is dumb enough to think he's smarter than you
10:41 AM on 05/04/2010
The difference between Jon Stewart and Bill Maher (and Dennis Miller, before and after his turn to the dark side of right wing whackadoodleism) is that Stewart doesn't take himself seriously and doesn't expect his audience to do likewise.
10:59 AM on 05/04/2010
Exactly. Maher's a raging egomaniac. Everything is about him and his obsessions (religion, pot, how stupid the American people are, etc.). Don't get me wrong, I agree with him more often than not, I usually find him entertaining and I'm glad he's on TV in an uncensored format where he's free to pontificate and rant about whatever he wants. But he can't hold a candle to Jon Stewart.

Whatever ego Stewart may have, it's subsumed in his show. His humor is usually self-deprecating (sometimes even too much) and what I find remarkable is that most of the time, he plays straight man to his "reporters." Above all, he's smart, well-informed and incredibly sharp -- even in unscripted moments -- and he has a brilliant staff that outresearches the best news organizations out there.
08:54 AM on 05/04/2010
Not sure why people like Bill Maher. He seems to despise everyone.
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
06:54 PM on 05/03/2010
I think both of these guys are good. I enjoy watching both and try to watch them every chance I can get.
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AllShookUp
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04:16 PM on 05/03/2010
A brilliant pairing. I'd love to see Jon and Bill go head to head.
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noralou
"eschew obfuscation"
07:09 PM on 05/03/2010
no fair, I think that Maher has a bit more "mean" in him than does Stewart. Love em both though...
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Michael Johns
04:12 PM on 05/03/2010
A great highlight clip of Bill Maher on This Week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJPG1mWiow8

Bill gives his take on the oil leak, immigration, Charlie Crist, and Jay Leno's performance at the White House Correspondents Dinner. The extra web-only Green Room segment is also included.
08:19 AM on 05/04/2010
Let's not forget his slap down of Chris Matthews! Matthews looked like a deer caught in the headlights....Completely clueless....PRICELESS!
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CookieCarnival
03:47 PM on 05/03/2010
Though I watch both of these guys (and incidentally, Bill Maher frequently has guests who don't agree with his views, regardless of what one poster has said) and enjoy the shows and appreciate their insight, my favorite satirist of all is Stephen Colbert. His twists and turns with words are more nuanced and clever.
02:46 PM on 05/03/2010
"You don't have to agree with Stewart or Maher, but they do make you think about the things we believe in. In that regard, both act as a contemporary Socrates, challenging the status quo, searching for truth behind the façade of the big and powerful. "

Oh please. They're self-righteous smart-aleck blowhards with a soap box. That's it.
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04:10 PM on 05/03/2010
Clearly you are not one of the people who listen and then think.
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Michael Johns
04:13 PM on 05/03/2010
... who happen to be geniuses.
06:29 AM on 05/04/2010
I think all three of you are missing an important point: Socrates himself was a a self-righteous smart-aleck blowhard. He just happened to have history's greatest PR man, Plato.
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I rule....
02:37 PM on 05/03/2010
Been dreaming of that pairing for years now....
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snesich
02:26 PM on 05/03/2010
Why "versus" each other. They're both bright, intelligent, perceptive and right on the mark at least 95% of the time.

Kudos to both Maher and Stewart. I'm so glad we have them both available to us!
01:45 PM on 05/03/2010
RE: "Maher's wheelhouse is politicians, greed, gay marriage, the media, and religion"

I would say it's more like religion, marijuana, America as empire, the lousily fought war on terror, and "democrats moving to the right and the republicans have moved into a mental hospital." Those are his biggest ones he makes a point to harp on all the time.

I most often like Stewart, he's a great check on mainstream media, but I am not clear about what kind of news media he WOULD want to see us have. He can't stand any of our news networks, I have problems with all of them too. But he will even attack MSNBC hosts from time to time, sometimes rightfully, sometimes it seems like he does it just to show that he will even go after progressives. Like that time he went after Rachel Maddow for over-analyzing USAID's role and motivation in helping out Haiti, saying it was too soon to do so (whaaa??!? sorry John but investigative reporting should not cease just because it's an emotional time) http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-responds-jon-stewarts-critic
12:59 PM on 05/04/2010
I don't think Stewart "can't stand" all the news networks. He is simply holding them accountable. If you claim to be a legitimate news organization, then act like one.
06:52 AM on 05/13/2010
He's kind of a traditionalist on the news media, and if you think MSNBC is a particularly good one, I suggest looking elsewhere. MSNBC has the exact same problems as the other cable news networks. BBC's been my favorite for a while.
01:38 PM on 05/03/2010
These guys are both brilliant at what they do. I would love to see John on HBO where he would not be limited as much to the 15 minutes. Bill does a great job in what he does and can open up subjects for longer.

Bill also is very brave in taking on religion which is generally not done in the US on TV. John is more middle of the road in that area. Not sure they could work together they need their own shows.

Would love to see a debate with either of them against Glenn Beck or any of the other loony hosts on fox news. If nothing else it would be funny!
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01:59 PM on 05/03/2010
Agreed, would love to see Stewart/Maher v Beck/Hannity. That I would pay big $ for.
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canadagirl76
06:19 PM on 05/03/2010
i would pay good money to watch that
10:02 AM on 05/04/2010
srourke and Twinings -- You BOTH have the best idea, yet: I would pay VERY big bucks to see a Stewart/Maher vs. Beck/Hannity. Wish I thought of it!
01:15 PM on 05/03/2010
I'd much rather see Jon Stewart team up with Bill Maher, throw in Olbermann and Maddow with them and then set up a debate against the likes of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and maybe Palin. (Palin because it would be pure entertainment watching her trying to match wits with the "Left" team.)
03:34 PM on 05/03/2010
I would love to see that as well.
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BlackJAC
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12:54 PM on 05/03/2010
The problem is that Maher sometimes acts like the people Stewart mocks: sitting comfortably ensconced in a studio with a sufficiently sycophantic audience and guest panel making definitive proclamations about how the world should be.
09:32 AM on 05/03/2010
No contest. Stewart's 20 times smarter and 10 times funnier than Maher.