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Nuclear Power Is Part of USA Energy Mix

Posted: 02/ 3/2012 6:00 pm

There's been good dialogue regarding my last blog post concerning the Indian Point Energy Center. And I appreciate the many thoughtful comments, including some in which we disagree.

But that's the point of having a conversation, isn't it? To share views, listen and to draw conclusions based on facts. That's what I specifically hoped would emerge from my "Myths Vs. Facts" blog - and that's what has begun.

We work hard to provide safe, clean and reliable electricity for millions of people. This includes many of our own employees and families who work in the area and are part of the communities we live in.

So, as we continue to discuss such issues, I encourage you to check out additional independent, third party reports that shed light on nuclear power and how it's a vital component of the U.S. energy mix.

Looking forward to hearing thoughts and sharing comments on nuclear power, "Green" and energy issues - and solutions for our country.

Here's some more places to get facts:

  1. The New York Independent System Operator's (NYISO) Power Trends 2011report. The NYISO has said that shutting down Indian Point without replacing the electricity it generates would lead to rolling blackouts. They also reported the potential for loss of critical transmission voltage support, which is needed to maintain power flow to the metropolitan New York area.
  2. The City of New York's PlaNYC report. This states that closing Indian Point without a viable and relatively clean replacement option would jeopardize reliability, significantly increase prices, worsen local air quality, and make it very challenging to achieve our goal of reducing Green House Gas (GHG) emissions 30% to achieve the Mayor's sustainability goals by 2030.
  3. Charles River Associates on behalf of New York City Department of Environmental Protection. "Every replacement option studied will result in a cost increase to energy consumers throughout the state, either through increased market prices or subsidies to new generators. If the market is allowed to function without subsidies for new generation, consumer prices will see marked increases."


 

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Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
01:37 PM on 02/14/2012
Do these guys pay for these articles on Huff?

Where the the director of communications for solar, wind and waste bio char folks?

Trillion dollar cancerous disasters, million years cancerous wastes, and civilization ending proliferation,

but got to keep getting those 500M$ in breaks per reactor per year.

Meanwhile Solar wind and waste only gets 1% of what fossils and nukes get.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:15 PM on 02/09/2012
In anticipation of approval, the company has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in digging a foundation, laying pipes for cooling water and other steps at the site, where two reactors have been operating since the late 1980s.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/business/energy-environment/nuclear-commission-expected-to-vote-on-new-reactors.html?_r=1&src=tp
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:15 PM on 02/09/2012
For the first time in over three decades, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is expected to decide to grant a license to build a nuclear reactor — a milestone for an industry whose long-hoped-for renaissance is smaller and later than anticipated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/business/energy-environment/nuclear-commission-expected-to-vote-on-new-reactors.html?_r=1&src=tp
05:57 PM on 02/08/2012
Indian Point Can Close with Little Impact, State Committee Says
State officials released findings last week that Indian Point could close with little impact on ratepayers and reliability

http://nyack.patch.com/articles/indian-point-can-close-with-little-impact-state-committee-says-400fbb4f

But Jim Steets.Director of Communications, Entergy Nuclear- you already know your paycheck is in jeapardy, now don't 'ja.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:07 PM on 02/09/2012
So what you are saying is that the rules of supply and demand are no longer applicable, we can remove 30% of New York's electric supply without changing demand and have no impact on anything. Interesting, if rates do go up what happens to tax revenue? It goes up... Hmm if more natural gas is used to replace the power, what happens to tax revenues? Hmmm.. so if the ISO is right (whose job it is to know) and prices go up, who stands to make the most money....? If you had a business in NY and saw the price of energy going up and reliability going down would want to build here or move elsewhere?
12:19 PM on 02/09/2012
can't read the link mikie? need to have somebody explain it to ya'?
ROFLMAO
hroark314
The handle says it all, doesn't it?
03:18 PM on 02/14/2012
If you read the link then surely you'll know that most people don't agree with the state assembly. For one thing, it is pretty basic economics that if you shut down a major source of electricity for the state then it will be expensive to replace it. For another thing, since this is New York it's difficult and expensive as heck to get anything new built. If they shut down IP in the next few years, there will be reliability issues. Finally, again because this is New York, the alternatives they're actually considering - a DC Tie to Quebec with additional hydro built there - are incredibly expensive. Mr. Mann clearly knows a little more about the issue than you.
05:53 PM on 02/08/2012
The amicus brief questions the legality of the NRC’s exemption decision, in part because NRC never held a required hearing to permit members of the public to comment on the amendment.

“The residents of New York State who are in close proximity to Indian Point deserve the opportunity to be heard on this important safety issue,” Paulin said. “Federal law requires meaningful participation from the public when significant changes are enacted, and the NRC’s actions do not comport with open and fair government practices.”



Located in Westchester County, the Indian Point facility poses potential dangers to New York State residents if safety concerns are not heeded. Part of Assemblywoman Jaffee’s district falls into the Emergency Planning Zone, which is the area within the ten-mile radius surrounding Indian Point.

"Indian Point's operator has no legal or moral right to jeopardize the safety of millions on New Yorkers by cutting corners on safety," Assemblywoman Jaffee stated. "This brief makes the sound legal case that the NRC had no grounds to issue a waiver to Indian Point, and we believe it is critical the court rule on the side of public safety in this instance."

http://pelham.patch.com/articles/sen-paulin-assemblyman-castelli-file-brief-against-indian-point-safety-exemption
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
10:31 AM on 02/09/2012
The law is clear - the courts can not rule on the matter of safety as seen in the Vermont case. That is the purview of NRC.
10:54 AM on 02/09/2012
there's the link, take it up with them......but you are always wrong, here the appealate court that the vermont case will come to is just around the corner and has more skin in the game. I would use a different approach myself.....but vermont will kill yankee, of that there is no doubt. Like everything in life, just takes longer and cost more....
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RahSolar
Stupidity is not a crime so you’re free to go
05:32 PM on 02/08/2012
If a solar module falls off my roof I don't need to evacuate a 30 km area and then wait 1000 years for it to be safe enough to repair.
Beats nuclear if you ask me.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
10:31 AM on 02/09/2012
You need to quantify the likelihood of the "if".

Black swan likelihood.

Risk = likelihood * consequence, and not consequence alone.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
04:47 PM on 02/08/2012
While keeping this plant open will continue the gravy train of subsides for the utility company, the consumers will have to bear the extra cost of the consequences in huge fresh water use, groundwater contamination and all risks to property and health. Other experts list the alternate sources of power that insure there will  not be blackouts if the nuclear plant is closed.  New York could make up for all of Indian Point’s actual output

Time to Mothball Indian Point Nuclear Plant? | OnEarth Magazine

Water use is also a big concern. Freshwater Use by U.S. Power Plants: Electricity’s Thirst for a Precious Resource | Union of Concerned Scientists
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
09:26 AM on 02/09/2012
We need to keep Indian Point open, it's the best option for New York. I live in New York State, it doesn't make sense to shut down clean, safe, reliable low cost provider of electricity and suffer with rising electric rates for less reliable (black outs and brown outs) power.
hroark314
The handle says it all, doesn't it?
03:20 PM on 02/14/2012
Even Mayor Bloomberg wants to keep the plant open. He's not exactly known for being anti-green. Heck, he even mused about putting windmills on top of skyscrapers (which is crazy and would not work). Everyone who's looked at this issue objectively has concluded that it would damage reliability to close the plant in the next few years and the options for replacing the facility are very expensive.
05:19 AM on 02/08/2012
Imagine for a moment that the world had once had the foresight to avoid global warming by embracing the fantastic promises offered by nuclear power in the 50's and 60's.  The 15 terawatts the world now consumes would be coming from the activation of fissile fuels rather than fossil fuels

But how would the world be different? 

We wouldn't have global warming. But global warming is the unintended consequence of fossil fuels. What would be the unintended consequences of our  fissile fuels?

 To answer this a little math is necessary. 

Right now there are approximately 500 nuclear power plants around the globe that provide about 5% of the world's energy. So if nuclear power provided all of our energy needs, there would currently be about 10,000 nuclear power plants world wide

Of the 500 current plants, 5 or 1% have had major meltdowns. If we extrapolate that 1% failure rate to the 10,000 that would have been here, there would have been 100 major meltdowns planet wide, and the world would be facing a terrible crisis - a different crisis from global warming to be sure. But a crisis just the same.

A GENETIC crisis of mind-boggling proportions. We would have a world where death from cancer would be a virtual certainty; horrible birth defects would be normal; where fertility problems would be almost guaranteed and the worlds population would be in decline. 

We must not replace the unintended consequences of fossil fuels with the unintended consequences of fissile fuel
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
10:33 AM on 02/09/2012
They said in the 50s that we would have flying cars today.

They said in the 50s that we would be living on Mars today.

They said in the 50s that world hunger and poverty would be solved by today.


Its really not a genetic crisis. Low low radiation doesnt harm anyone.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
12:00 AM on 02/08/2012
I love these guys trying to sell us on the idea that there is a "peaceful" nuclear and a "un-peaceful" nuclear, and they never have and never will have anything to do with one another. Yeah, I believe, I believe. Nuclear power is a nuclear bomb. Just add water.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
10:34 AM on 02/09/2012
So if there were no peaceful applications, why then was there an "atoms for peace"?

You can do better.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
11:58 PM on 02/07/2012
Yeah, I am really going to believe this guy. He isn't compromised or anything.
11:50 PM on 02/07/2012
For those who thought that, with the new year, nuclear power had turned a page and put its “annus horribilis” behind it–as if the calendar were somehow the friend America’s aging reactors–let’s take a quick look at January 2012.

First, a glance across the Pacific, where the month began with the revelation that the Japanese government purposely downplayed their assessments of the Fukushima disaster–hiding the worst projected scenarios from the public from soon after the March earthquake by classifying the documents as personal correspondence–and ended with discovery of yet another large leak of radioactive water from one of the crippled reactors.

Closer to home, the lone reactor at Wolf Creek, Kansas, was shutdown on January 13 after the failure of a main generator breaker was followed by a still-unexplained loss of power to an electrical transformer. Diesel generators kicked in to run the safety systems until external power was restored, but the plant remains offline while a Nuclear Regulatory Commission inspection team tries to figure out what went wrong.

On the morning of January 30, a power failure caused a reactor at Exelon’s Byron Generating Station to scram, which in turn required a wee bit of venting......

http://www.truth-out.org/san-onofre-one-leaks-other-doesnt-yet/1328630509

And much more, and it's only Feb.............
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
06:48 PM on 02/07/2012
Despite worries over Iran's nuclear efforts, there is a success story to be told about the global initiative to turn megatons into megawatts. To date, more than 440 metric tons of Russia's highly enriched uranium — equal to about 17,500 nuclear warheads — has been down-blended into low-enriched uranium fuel to produce electricity for American households, businesses and industries. In fact, about 10 percent of our total electricity now comes from nuclear fuel containing former Russian weapons-grade uranium.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2017442370_guest07berkey.html
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
11:24 AM on 02/06/2012
The 15 terawatts of thermal energy added to our atmosphere by nuclear energy, fossil fuels, and geothermal have a dramatic effect on our climate since climate is chaotic. Every chaotic system is sensitive to initial conditions to such a degree that a very small change such as a small change in the Earth's thermal energy has a tendency to radically influence how the system changes over time. Cuz of Chaos Theory all the bad weather we've been having lately could well have been triggered by heat added to our atmosphere by non-solar man made sources. Solar adds no thermal energy to our atmosphere.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
04:55 PM on 02/08/2012
Also wind power does not contaminate the environment, costs less than all other power generation over the long term. There are 85,000 jobs in wind power, 100,000 jobs in solar power. No fuel costs for those. No legions of trucks or train cars polluting the land and water, and adding fossil fuel use from deliveries. While nuclear power does not generate warming emissions at the reactor, the mining and transportation does add warming emissions. There is no answer to the nuclear waste problem.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
06:23 PM on 02/08/2012
Where do we get wind turbines? Are they made by elves in tree factories? Where do the generators get their rare earth magnets? Where do they go when their 20-30 year life is expended? How much concrete and steel is needed to build them per megawatt of actual power produced? Is it true we would need to build 2077 2 Mw wind turbines to produce the equivalent of one AP1000 Nuclear Power Plant? Although the nuclear power plant schedules it's shutdowns for low use periods, the wind blows intermittently.
Where does the 300-600 gallons of oil used to lubricate and cool the wind turbine go? Doesn't sound like it doesn't contaminate the environment, in fact per megawatt produced it seems much more damaging to the environment....
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
01:12 AM on 02/09/2012
Nuclear power plants generate hot updrafts out of their cooling towers that have a chaotic effect on weather making it more unpredictable and extreme. This thermal energy added to Earth's atmosphere is above and beyond that supplied uniformly by the Sun and Earth and so it tends to heat our atmosphere more than it would be otherwise in a willy nilly chaotic way to cause willy nilly weather.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:07 PM on 02/05/2012
The arguments you make only work due to your being in possession of an existing operating plant.
If it can be operated safely, then the cheapest and most environmentally-sensible thing to do is to keep doing so until the end of its life. The issue is how to assess the chances of that safe operation.

If you were discussing the prospects of building a new plant at that site, then the economic and environmental picture would look very very different.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
10:28 AM on 02/09/2012
A new plant would be a better plant than what is already there.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
02:55 AM on 02/05/2012
Unfortunately no matter how much we want solar to replace nuclear power, the building of the new generation LFTR nuclear power plants in India and China will force us to abandon solar and build our own LFTR nuclear power plants if we are not to give them an economic advantage over us. There's enough fuel for LFTR's world wide to supply all of Earth's energy needs for the next 2000 years. Economically speaking we'll have no choice. Some engineers say that a LFTR will cost no more than a coal plant to build. How do we compete with that?
08:49 AM on 02/05/2012
Be careful when engineers talk economics. They often get too involved in the marvel they want to build.

Materials devived energy (Solar) will ultimately be cheaper than any form of machine derived energy. Why? The passivity of the process
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Harley 2
01:53 AM on 02/07/2012
Already is 3 cents, check it out. Solar rocks.
Reality---need a baseload. Other reality, nuke sucks, it is not the answer.

http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/p/renewable-and-energy-efficiency.html
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
09:22 PM on 02/07/2012
Engineering economics is a valid test area on the Professional Engineer's exam.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
09:45 AM on 02/05/2012
The LFTR could provide almost limitless power on demand for the next thousand years, without air pollution or carbon emissions. We could raise the standard of living for the entire world, maybe make conflict over energy sources obsolete
http://thoriumremix.com/2011/
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
07:28 PM on 02/05/2012
Solar and wind is much cheaper than nuclear and geothermal when the damage caused by heat pollution is taken into consideration. Adding more heat to the atmosphere makes for violently destructive weather extremes. The business bottom line could care less about all the people hurt by destructive weather. Heat pollution caused by a thousand LFTR's would destroy our ability to grow enough food world wide to feed the billions. Big time cost here! Solar is better for human survival.
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Harley 2
01:49 AM on 02/07/2012
yeah sure, that whole clean and peaceful crap worked really good for us.

Nuke sucks, always has always will. We can't trust nuke, we can't trust the nuke industry and the so called regulators that are really just promoters of nuke. Sure, fine to have an industry champion, for say, drywall (unless nasty Chinese drywall), but the whole nuke thing is a joke, a lie, a travesty.

Here are some of the lies.
http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/p/largest-lies-of-nuke.html