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Do Women Really Hate Porn? An Interview with Carlin Ross

Posted: 02/16/2012 4:59 pm

Once, when I was growing up, my mom found a porn video hidden in the house. She took the VHS tape out onto the driveway and made us watch while she smashed it to pieces with a hammer.

It's safe to say that a lot of women hate porn. But why?

For some answers, I turned to my friend and super-smart sex educator, Carlin Ross. Carlin is an attorney and sex educator living in NYC. She is the editor-in-chief of dodsonandross.com and author of the forthcoming book, How to Make a Girl Come.

Carlin, what is the origin of porn?

Porn has always been with us. The earliest nude drawings were discovered in the Chauvet cave complex dating back to the Paleolithic period. They discovered engraved images of female reclining nudes and vulvas created by man in 10,000 B.C.

Video-based porn started in the 1920s, with short films called "smokers" that depicted both heterosexual and homosexual sex acts. Watching images of other people "having sex" is sexually arousing. In other words, porn is here to stay.

What are the main concerns that women have about porn?

Many women feel that porn is degrading. Some feminists would argue that porn is a direct threat to the status of women in the culture. If we want to understand why some women hate porn, we need to understand that the majority of porn depicts the male model of sexual response. Taken as a whole, the sex acts depicted are the sex acts that bring men to orgasm, not women. Only about 20 percent of women achieve orgasm from vaginal penetration alone. The majority of women need direct clitoral stimulation to achieve orgasm.

We buy porn, we watch it, we get turned on, but when we copy what we're watching, we don't achieve orgasm. We don't experience the same heights of pleasure as these porn stars, and we internalize this failure. We believe that there's something wrong with us. Then add the body-image issues created by watching idealized images of women with surgically enhanced bodies and genitals, and now we feel even worse. We believe that we're genitally deformed, we're broken, and we'll never have great sex.

Now that porn is online, do you think more women are tuning in?

Yes. Nielsen/Net ratings indicate that about one in three visitors to adult entertainment websites is female, with nearly 13 million American women checking out porn online once a month. In addition, according to a survey conducted by The Sun, over 1,000 men and women were interviewed about "risqué behavior." The survey found that:

  • 66 percent of women watch porn
  • 57 percent of women watch porn with their partner
  • 87 percent of women who view porn are married or in a relationship
  • 10 percent of women who view porn are single
  • 6 percent of women admitted to watching porn once a day
  • 26 percent of women admitted to watching porn once a month
  • Out of the 57 percent of women who watch porn with a partner, one third regularly use it as part of foreplay

How do you think women could be more comfortable with the idea of porn?

The majority of porn is sex entertainment for men. If we viewed it from this prism -- like a Hollywood action movie -- then we could embrace porn as something that aids arousal. And if women were taught to accept their bodies and, more specifically, how to achieve orgasm, then porn wouldn't be seen as a threat at all. I enjoy porn in my personal life and use it to get aroused, but when I have sex I know that I must engage my clitoris, use lubricant, and take my time.

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A big thanks to Carlin for her insights. She will be back next month to help me dig deeper into my gay guilt issues.

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09:13 PM on 02/19/2012
Gloria Steinem differentiates between erotica and porn. "Erotica is as different from pornography as love is from rape, as dignity is from humiliation, as partnership is from slavery, as pleasure is from pain." She writes, "Blatant or subtle, pornography involves no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating the other...Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master." So just because a woman does not like porn does not mean she doesn't like watching sex. Pornography should not be the only way of watching sexuality.
03:23 PM on 02/17/2012
I know for married men, porn is a release for all of us guys who have wives that don't give us any. If my wife wanted sex more than once a year then I wouldn't need it. Sorry gals, thats the facts.
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fenriswolf26
04:45 PM on 02/17/2012
So you're saying that if you had a wife that wanted sex more, you wouldn't watch porn?
06:00 PM on 02/17/2012
there would be no need to.
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fenriswolf26
03:03 PM on 02/17/2012
On a somewhat related note because I'm feeling chatty but Huff-po hates long comments: I sometimes feel that I'm watching porn "wrong" because I often like the outtakes and interviews more than the actual sex (I also prefer long shots to close ups, but that's more aesthetics than anything; I tend to like to see the facial expressions rather than disembodied penises). That might have something to do with emotions and all that. I couldn't tell you. It might just be that I want to "know" the actors instead of watching what amounts to anonymous sex.
01:35 PM on 02/17/2012
I do believe that men, down deep inside, really do want what women want in their sexual relationships. Men are just to horry to realize it, so alot them turn to porn for quick pleasure. When they really do concentrate on romance and love then the sexual experience means alot more, making it something to remember and fulfilling for both. Porn totally lacks that, TOTALLY!
03:24 PM on 02/17/2012
An a lot of us married guys turn to porn because that's the only way we get any.
12:25 PM on 02/17/2012
Men are visual creatures. We get turned on by what we see, solely. Porn is a visual sexual aide, and also creates a fantasy. Women get turned on by a whole myriad of things, scents, sounds, physical touching, emotional intimacy, God knows what else. Men get turned on what they see. That's about it.
02:24 PM on 02/17/2012
That's bunk.
05:37 PM on 02/17/2012
I don't think you can generalize quite that much. Personally I found scent to particularly arousing, the right scent, that is.

Also, the older I have become, I've found my level of arousal, and overall enjoyment of sex is directly related to the level of arousal and enjoyment of my partner.

It's absolutely inaccurate to say men aren't turned on by sound - what is the sure fire way for a woman to bring sex to an end if she's ready for it to be over and doesn't want to cause disharmony? Start talking dirty...

And physical touching doesn't turn men on? If I spell out what the default sex act is, when a man's horny and his partner isn't, the post won't get posted. Think manual vs automatic.
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jdl51
12:01 PM on 02/17/2012
I'm amazed at all the opinions of people who don't like porn, but seem to know exactly what it is. There are as many types of porn as there are sexual preferences. To make general statements like it's not real, women don't have orgasms while making porn, they all have fake this or that, 95% of it is geared toward men, etc.doesn't reflect the reality of what's available. There's the whole spectrum of sexual likes in porn today. Obviously most people posting here apparently looked at it once or twice, decided they don't like it and have formed their opinion. Whatever combination or position or whatever, it's out there, and generally free. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Criticizing men and women that do like to watch it is pointless. Makes about as much sense as criticizing someone because they like one position and you don't.
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mollynova
Oh, Toto! Where did our democracy go?
11:29 AM on 02/17/2012
I find porn movies boring. It's like watching a machine driving a rod into another machine, over and over and over. There's no 'story', no 'romance', if you will, just repetition. The guy gets 'his' while the woman acts like she's in the throws of orgasm but we women know better. The foreplay is non-existent and that's the part that helps get a woman excited. Just plain intercourse isn't enough for most women. But porn isn't made for women anyway. *sigh*
10:50 AM on 02/17/2012
all it does is desensitize a person , a naked person drawing back in the "old " days completly diiferant , todays porn is dirty , and has obviously caused havack on society, it has made people SICK regarding the human body, and poisened minds that is why there is the most dispicable child porn now , unimaganable and shocking that that even occurs, oh lets take a picture ,,, yiks
10:38 AM on 02/17/2012
My issue with anti-porn activists is that they confuse medium with content.
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qsfoxx
still chasing the wascally wabbit...
08:48 AM on 02/17/2012
People do not live in the real world. They live in their perception of reality - sometimes intentional, sometimes not.
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You
Is you who you thinks you is?
03:28 PM on 02/17/2012
Mose Allison, "What's Your Movie?"
08:44 AM on 02/17/2012
glance at the comments tells me lesbian women may tolerate porn, heterosexual women do not like it - study flawed
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jdl51
12:03 PM on 02/17/2012
All of 20 comments so far. Whose study is flawed?
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You
Is you who you thinks you is?
03:29 PM on 02/17/2012
(s)he didn't read the article.
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Bill J4321
01:59 PM on 02/17/2012
Please never step foot in a medical laboratory.

I beg you.
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Valksy
civis mundi sum
05:38 AM on 02/17/2012
I hate porn in that it pushes unrealistic ideas in to the minds of people who probably don't know better. I'm sure a lot of young guys are disappointed when they find that most women don't have huge pneumatic fake boobs.

I hate porn in that it is encouraging practices of cosmetic surgery - women once had labiaplasty because they had issues with discomfort. Now they are having it so that their genitals "look right". As if women don't have enough shame issues with their genitals to deal with, now people are trying to craft the perfect vulva, by porno standards.

But mostly I think porn is just dumb. It is done for the audience, so the positions are always with an extra person in mind - the camera operator - so it looks forced and ridiculous. And without emotional resonance, it does nothing for me. I would sooner see a dramatic episode of TV that culminates in a female/female kiss, than watch lesbian for pay porn actors doing things that just make me laugh.

Now, so long as porn performers are all safe, sane and consenting, I couldn't care less what they do. But I wouldn't waste so much as a single penny on it. What I can imagine is always better.
02:25 PM on 02/17/2012
Mainstream porn has grown ever more degrading and violent (towards women) over the years.

It's anti-sex and anti woman. I don't see how any woman could watch it and not be sickened.
05:46 PM on 02/17/2012
"I'm sure a lot of young guys are disappoint­ed"

Operant words in this: 'young guys'

"I hate porn in that it is encouragin­g practices of cosmetic surgery"

Isn't our looks oriented society, and society's over-board adulation of celebrities more to blame for women's insecurity about their physical appearance, and more of an influence than porn?

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Unlike the stereotype that all men get turned on by watching two women, I generally don't find it arousing. But when I stumble upon a porn scene where the women are obviously enjoying each other to the point of forgetting about the cameras, (and the real of the world), that's a TOTALLY different proposition - it IS rare, but it does happen.
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Valksy
civis mundi sum
05:59 PM on 02/17/2012
In terms of young guys, I'm not suggesting kids.

And in terms of cosmetic surgery like labiaplasty, that is coming from porn because there is no other pathway for so many people to see so many other people's genitalia. From shaving bald to the perfect shape, it is causing women to feel enough shame about themselves that they have having their genitals mutilated to serve some vile ideal. And that is entirely from porn, from expectations of men about porn (I don't see a woman suggesting to another woman that she have a labia trimmed).

I haven't seen a lot of porn, it's true. My own mind is better. But what I have seen, when girl on girl, just makes me laugh. It's all fake. All of it. I don't think that I've ever seen porn that I didn't find ridiculous.
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Mindy Czech
Cindy's wife for life.
04:10 AM on 02/17/2012
Me and Cindy watch porn sometimes. It isn't to get turned on, we just watch it for amusement while bored or while nothing else is on TV. We often have to watch it on mute though, because the moaning and screeching is so irritating and unrealistic, and unlike any noises we've ever heard or made while in the middle of lovemaking. We get a kick out of picking out whose breasts are real or fake, the botched boob jobs, picking out who has had children, and laughing about how lesbian porn rarely accurately depicts any kind of lesbian activity we've engaged in. Probably about 95% of the porn we've seen has been made for men and about what men find arousing, and it's the total opposite of what we find arousing. We wouldn't even take position tips from porn because of how un-fun most of it looks.
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Lefty88
I have built up an immunity to Iocane powder
03:34 PM on 02/17/2012
As usual, I agree with you, Mindy. Even so-called "lesbian porn" is overwhelmingly produced for male audiences, and as a lesbian, it does very little for me -- for many of the same reasons you listed.

Sure, I have my own beef with The L Word, but my gf and I find it more of a turn-on to watch Bette and Tina go at it. I mean, at least then we're not dealing with women who stop what they're doing to a) stare into the camera with that "are you jer. king off, yet?" look that lets you know they're not actually tuned into pleasing one another, or b) caress their own stiletto heels. And what's with all the slapping and spitting down there, anyway? To us it's just...odd. On top of all that, I find the close-up shots of bare hoo-hahs to be more Discovery Medical Documentary than sensual or sexy.
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Mindy Czech
Cindy's wife for life.
02:19 AM on 02/18/2012
Yes, yes and yes. Me and Cindy were just talking about the slapping and spitting thing a couple weeks ago. Seriously, who actually does that? We were like, is this some kind of magical lesbian move? When we tried slapping, we laughed so hard at how dumb it was. And the spitting? Sorry, neither of us need saliva. Porn truly has to be one of the unsexiest things ever. Really, the only thing I need to get turned on is my wifey. She's the hottest lady ever, and porn actresses wish they were as sexy and amazing as my Cindy.
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averagezoe
Don't breed or buy while homeless animals die!
01:32 AM on 02/17/2012
Several of my husbands liked porn so I got to watch a lot of it. I don't mind watching, I used to poke fun at the abysmal acting and idiotic story lines, but some of it was a turn-on. It has never crossed my mind to feel that the actors were degrading themselves - after all, this is what they chose to do and from what I've heard, it pays damn well. As long as it doesn't involve children or animals, porn probably serves a purpose.
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Jock4uni
Fiscally conservative and socially progressive.
10:09 AM on 02/17/2012
Nice to know your observations are based your interactions with several of your (ex)-husbands and their interests in viewing such movies! What kinds of activities turned you on -- were they done in ways that looked quite natural and not fake!
11:44 PM on 02/16/2012
Why is this under Gay Voices?
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qsfoxx
still chasing the wascally wabbit...
08:50 AM on 02/17/2012
Because HuffinPuff knows what's best for you. lol
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Zariana
For SCIENCE!!!
01:45 PM on 02/17/2012
It might have something to do with the fact that the author/interviewer and the individual being interviewed are both gay women.