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Joan E. Dowlin

Joan E. Dowlin

Posted: February 16, 2010 11:02 AM

Mr. Limbaugh: The Record Snows of This Winter Are Proof of Global Warming

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Tuning in to Rush Limbaugh's radio show today really got my temperature to rise. He mocked Al Gore's recent blog in which Gore stated that the situation of Arctic ice melting may be worse than we thought. Limbaugh took issue with that and declared that this unusually cold and snowy U.S. winter is proof that there is no global warming. He also called those who believe in climate change "suckers."

I think it is proof that Rush Limbaugh is narrow minded and short sighted. He is looking at the world from his local, limited perspective with blinders on, not seeing the big global picture. Either that or he doesn't want to see it.

The truth as told by meteorologists is that there are some northern places in our hemisphere that are having a "warmer" than usual winter (ask Vancouver, British Columbia where the rain instead of snow has wreaked havoc on the current Winter Olympics). That "warm" air is pushing the colder air south to middle and eastern American states. That and El Nino, which is caused by "warm" temperatures in the Pacific Ocean, are creating a string of low pressure areas that are moving across the country in a southeasterly flow and then are swept up the east coast as nor'eastern storms in the form of snow.

Places like Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington DC are experiencing record breaking seasonal snow totals. Even the worst of climate change skeptics would have to admit that something is going on this winter. It's only the middle of February and Philadelphia has already surpassed the record of 65 inches in 1996 by over 10 inches (75.5). This is their snowiest season in over 100 years.

Combine these winter blizzards with the record number of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, wildfires, mud slides, tsunamis, glacial melting, and earthquakes the globe has seen in this past decade and it doesn't take a genius to see there is a climate change happening. With all due respect to Climategate, we don't need climatologists and scientists to tell us that.

Who are we going to believe on this subject? Al Gore, who has dedicated his life to researching global warming and the environment or Rush Limbaugh, a pawn of big business and the financial backers of former President George W. Bush who did nothing to fight climate change for eight years? Perhaps these "fat cats" feel green energy will cut into their profits.

I would take Al Gore's opinion over Rush Limbaugh's in a New York minute. Problem is we may not have many minutes left if we keep debating this issue without taking action to solve it. We need to wake up now and stop polluting and start supporting green energy. Not only will this serve the environment, it will help our economy which has been drained by having to finance states to rebuild after being damaged by years of natural disasters brought on by climate change. Besides saving ourselves, Mother Earth and Nature will thank us for it.

 
Tuning in to Rush Limbaugh's radio show today really got my temperature to rise. He mocked Al Gore's recent blog in which Gore stated that the situation of Arctic ice melting may be worse than we tho...
Tuning in to Rush Limbaugh's radio show today really got my temperature to rise. He mocked Al Gore's recent blog in which Gore stated that the situation of Arctic ice melting may be worse than we tho...
 
 
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cintirich
The posts above and below mine are wrong.
01:25 PM on 02/17/2010
Joan, you said:
"Who are we going to believe on this subject? Al Gore, who has dedicated his life to researching global warming and the environment or Rush Limbaugh, a pawn of big business and the financial backers of former President George W. Bush who did nothing to fight climate change for eight years? Perhaps these "fat cats" feel green energy will cut into their profits."

Al Gore is Chair of Generation Investment Management and on the board of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. Both are heavily invested and leveraged in "Green" technologies and Carbon Credit trading.
He personally stands to become a billionair if Cap and Trade is passed and goverments continue to pour money into AGW.

I have trouble accepting as Gospel, the opinion of one man that has that much of a vested interest tawards the issue. Especially when recently there is so much emerging information regarding the credibility of the "Man Caused" portion of climate change thoery.
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Joan E. Dowlin
01:38 PM on 02/17/2010
I would rather support a political agenda that will help the planet than one that will hurt it.
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cintirich
The posts above and below mine are wrong.
02:07 PM on 02/17/2010
"I would rather support a political agenda that will help the planet than one that will hurt it."

That's the issue though, isn't it? There's no verifiable research that proves that carbon emmissions caused by mankind are hurting the planet. You don't KNOW that it will help. Neither does Al Gore whom you put so much faith in even though he stands to gain as much or more than any single person in the world, financially.

You want our government to commit to trillions of (tax) dollars of spending on something that may not even be a problem. If you believe that the carbon tax will just reduce corperate profits without affecting thier customers, you're mistaken. There are already several published studies stating that the current Cap and Trade bill could cost the average household $580 or more per year, and would likely increase faster than the rate of inflation.
10:04 AM on 02/17/2010
People like Rush Limbaugh prefer to keep their heads stuck in the snow....er, I mean SAND!
04:30 AM on 02/17/2010
Here's why AGW proponents can't be trusted. Here is their explanation of why almost everything proves global warming is happening.

Increased warming means higher temperatures and therefore less snow. But increased warming means more water vapor in the atmosphere. Therefore more precipitation. Therefore AGW can cause big blizzards. So too little snow or too much snow is an indication of global warming.

More warming can mean glaciers will shrink. But more precipitation means glaciers can grow. Therefore if glaciers are growing or shrinking it means global warming.

More warming means more energy for hurricanes and therefore more and stronger hurricanes are in the future. But more warming also means more wind sheer which cuts off hurricanes. So global warming can mean fewer hurricanes. So more or fewer hurricanes means global warming

More water vapor means more clouds and more precipitation. More clouds and precipitation means more cooling. Therefore global warming can mean global cooling. So if it is warming or cooling it means global warming.

No wonder Al Gore says the science is settled. It predicts everything that has and can happen.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:54 AM on 02/17/2010
"Here's why AGW proponents can't be trusted."

It isn't that science can't be trusted, but that you don't understand what they are saying. You have three critical mistakes. (1) You are trying to over generalize which makes false universals. (2) You are generating circular arguments. Global warming is indicated by increases in temperature, not its effects on glaciers, precipitation, and storms. You have cause and effect backwards. Therefore, (3) if you desire is to refute global warming, you need to address the data which supports it.

This is better than prior versions of the talking point, but still needs work. I've added corrections in brackets.

Increased warming means higher temperatures and therefore less snow. But increased warming means more water vapor in the atmosphere. Therefore more precipitation. Therefore AGW can cause big blizzards. So too little snow [because of above freezing temperatures] or too much snow [because of additional water vapor ] is an indication [may be the result] of global warming.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:54 AM on 02/17/2010
More warming can mean glaciers will shrink [at their edges]. But more precipitation means glaciers can grow [thicker at their center]. Therefore if glaciers are growing [in their centers] or shrinking [in total mass] it means [may be the result of] global warming.

More warming means more energy for hurricanes and therefore [an increased likelihood of] more and stronger hurricanes are in the future. But more warming also means more [vertical] wind sheer which cuts off hurricanes [but to a lesser degree]. So [the effects of] global warming [are somewhat balanced and in some situations] can mean fewer hurricanes. So more or fewer hurricanes [of less predictable intensity can be the result of] means global warming.

[This one is too wrong and weird to be fixed]
More water vapor means more clouds and more precipitation. More clouds and precipitation means more cooling. Therefore global warming can mean global cooling. So if it is warming or cooling it means global warming.

[The science is settled because there is no data to support falling global temperatures.]
No wonder Al Gore says the science is settled. It predicts everything that has and can happen.
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
04:04 AM on 02/17/2010
Neither Rush nor Glenn Beck have seen the inside of a University. Both have had HUGE, LONG TERM "battles" with substance abuse. Sorry, but if you're a long term drunk, or a pill addict, i lose respect for you as a human being to a degree. Speaking of degrees, neither Rush nor Beck have one. They are not educated. They are UN educated. They REJECT education. Of COURSE people like them would reject education, because they KNOW everything allready.
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carolm62
12:27 AM on 02/23/2010
How did you education fail to teach you about those who are self-educated...?

The beauty of the information age is that knowledge is no longer the privilege of the rich or well-connected. Knowledge can no longer be secreted away in the ivory towers of academia. It is available everywhere -- to everyone -- no matter what their background.
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gypsysailor
Things that might have been never were.
01:16 AM on 02/17/2010
When you put a microphone in front of an ignorant man you get ignorant statements.
10:14 PM on 02/16/2010
The scientists are dropping off this bandwagon quickly. The true believers will hang on forever.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:55 AM on 02/17/2010
Really, which ones?
02:46 PM on 02/18/2010
This reference lists 13 such scientists who have changed their position on AGW to skeptic:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=c5e16731-3c64-481c-9a36-d702baea2a42

The individuals inside are:
Dr. Claude Allegre
Bruno Wiskel
Dr. Nir Shaviv
Dr. David Evans
Dr. Tad Murty
Dr. David Bellamy
Dr. Chris de Freitas
Dr. Reid Bryson
Hans H.J. Labohm
Tim Patterson
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski
Dr. Ian D. Clark
Dr. Jan Veizer

It was a pleasure serving you.
08:11 PM on 02/16/2010
What about Phil Jones? Would you take his opinion over Algore?

Since Professor Jones is a scientist and climatologist, it stands to reason you would.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
06:35 PM on 02/16/2010
I think also that the hot air spewed by Limbecile contributes to global warming.
05:09 PM on 02/16/2010
Your fifth paragraph indicates that earthquakes are evidence of climate change? Please read an elementary school book on "plate tectonics" before making such a statement.

Who should we believe on this subject? Al Gore or Rush Limbaugh? How about neither one? How about if we believe Phil Jones, who is the scientist at the center of the "ClimateGate" scandal?

In a weekend interview with the BBC, Jones indicated that there has not been any statistically significant warming since 1995. In addition, when asked whether the "science is settled," his response was "I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this."

Another insight from the interview:

Q. Do you agree that natural influences could have contributed significantly to the global warming observed from 1975-1998

A. Natural influences (from volcanoes and the Sun) over this period could have contributed to the change over this period.

Here is the link - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
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Joan E. Dowlin
01:09 AM on 02/17/2010
I'm sure there are also natural influences as well as human ones at work here. But I have a few questions for all of you climate change deniers. What if Al Gore is right? Can we take that chance? If Rush Limbaugh is right, what do we have to lose by cutting CO2 emissions and clearing the air except for many some profits of big corporations? I would rather support a political agenda that has as its goal a cleaner and healthier environment for all creatures great and small on this beautiful planet. We need to be good stewards of Mother Earth.
09:44 AM on 02/17/2010
Why don't we cut water vapor then? After all, it is the most abundant greenhouse gas...
11:08 AM on 02/17/2010
Joan,

I agree we need to "clear the air" as you indicate, however, CO2 is odorless and colorless. Clearing the air requires a reduction in particulate matter (which we are doing), sulphur dioxide (which we are doing), and ozone.

What have we got to lose by cutting CO2? As is turns out - plenty. The Danish scholar Bjorn Lomberg has studied the problem and its costs. Here are his findings:

"Fully implementing Kyoto protocols would cost $180 billion per year, but for $52 billion per year we could prevent 28 billion malaria infections (and 85 million deaths) over a century, instead of Kyoto's avoidance of 70 million infections (and 140,000 deaths). There would be one billion fewer people in poverty instead of Kyoto's one million fewer, and 229 million fewer people would suffer from starvation rather than Kyoto's two million.

Many other issues are much more important than global warming." Malaria kills more than one million people each year, and some four million die from malnutrition, three million from HIV/AIDS, 2.5 million from various air pollutants, and nearly two million from lack of clean drinking water. Solving these problems would save more lives and do more to improve the human condition than spending money on global CO2 reduction."

His conclusions are outlined in his book, "Cool It."
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gypsysailor
Things that might have been never were.
01:26 AM on 02/17/2010
Are you trying to tell me that 6 1/2 BILLION people on this planet don't contribute to climate change? Roughly figure 3 billion households burning on average 3 camp fires a day, plus all the industry that goes on, plus what occurs naturally and you believe a guy like Rush? Or some bought off scientist? 6 1/2 billion of anything is going to change its environment.
03:55 PM on 02/16/2010
Joan, you seem to have not quoted one sentence from Rush , but merely try to paraphrase,,,If you are going to criticize , then give the quotes ,, And the temps in Vancouver in February this year are right at their norms,,,,,,,Why not give us what Rush really said about the East Anglia professor ,,,,, Why not explain why Mr Gore has yet to ever EVER hold a conversation with any who disagree,,,, Why not point out that Lake Erie has frozen over for the first time in 15 years
04:08 PM on 02/16/2010
She thinks tsunamis and earthquakes are caused by climate change.

Is any further explaination necessary?
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Joan E. Dowlin
12:25 AM on 02/17/2010
I suggest you read this article. www.livescience.com/environment/070830_gw_quakes.html It suggests there is a correlation between earthquakes and global warming.

Also yes I would believe Al Gore over Professor Jones. Gore has spent his life researching the topic. Jones is just one scientist. He doesn't speak for everyone.
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Joan E. Dowlin
12:37 AM on 02/17/2010
I listened as I was driving in my car. I don't have a photographic memory so I don't remember the exact quotes but I listed a link to his blog for anyone wanting the transcript. If the temps are at the norm why is there less snow, but more rain? Philadelphia has had more snow this season than Vancouver. Highly unusual, like Lake Erie freezing, another example of climate change.
02:34 PM on 02/17/2010
Is there really less snow and more rain? I don't think so. Ice sheets appear to have remained constant.
02:03 PM on 02/16/2010
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* NOTE: The often-cited 1980 study by Imbrie and Imbrie concerning Milankovitch Cycles is wrong. They stated that, "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend which began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years." They dealt only with the Precession Cycle and totally ignored the Eccentricity, and Axial Tilt cycles.
Berger and Loutre argue in their Perspective that WITH or WITHOUT human perturbations, the current warm climate may last another 50,000 years. The reason is a minimum in the eccentricity of Earth's orbit around the Sun.
Berger A, Loutre MF (2002). "Climate: An exceptionally long interglacial ahead?". Science 297 (5585): 1287"1288. doi:10.1126/science.1076120. PMID 12193773.
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Joan E. Dowlin
01:15 AM on 02/17/2010
You seem to be quite a historian on this topic. I don't doubt that there are many natural influences on climate change. But if there is even a chance that we humans have contributed (pollution for example), I think we should take responsibility and do all we can to clean it up. At the very least it may help us to breathe easier.
03:10 AM on 02/17/2010
Joan, I understand the need to want to do anything we can to protect the environment, even if there's only a small chance that man is affecting the earth's climate! However the proposed solution right now with Cap & Trade is the biggest power grab by our Gov't in the history of our country! It will allow unelected beaurocrats(EPA) to have control over every aspect of our lives, because just about everything we do, including breathing, leaves some form of a "carbon footprint". It seems to me Cap & Trade is more about Gov't control then it is about maintaining and preserving our beautiful planet!
04:29 AM on 02/17/2010
Do you understand anything at all about AGW theory. It is based on the assumption CO2 has increased from .0028 to .0038 parts of the atmosphere. Your statement that at the very least it may help us to breathe easier shows absolutely no understanding of this fact at all. CO2 is a trace, nonlethal, life supporting gas.