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Joe Scarborough

Joe Scarborough

Posted February 20, 2009 | 10:58 AM (EST)

The Loyal Opposition


One of the more hopeful aspects of Barack Obama's historic campaign in 2008 was his call for a new style of politics. It was a message that was appealing even to those of us who did not agree with many of his political views.

As I said repeatedly on "Morning Joe" this year, I believed Barack Obama to be a new kind of Democrat.

While he was a traditional liberal on the campaign trail, he also appeared to be more accepting of those who did not share his worldview. Being the host of one of the few news shows that interviews people from all sides of the political spectrum, I am excited by those who have intellects that invite diversity of thought instead of being threatened by it.

That is why Arianna Huffington and I have shared a friendship spanning two decades and three White House administrations. That is also why I enjoy working with David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs more than many members of my own party.

In Congress, I always carried the words of Bobby Kennedy with me as a challenge. "Question initial assumptions" was Bobby's directive.

I always did. I continue to do so today. Maybe that led me to be one of the first conservatives to blast George Bush for moving America toward bankruptcy. That is also why I was the first news host from any network to began attacking the Bush Administration for their horrific response to Hurricane Katrina. For those with short memories, check out historian Douglas Brinkley's book on the subject.

Make no mistake of it. I am a proud conservative. And judging from the last eight years, I am one of the few left in Washington. But that doesn't mean I don't love listening to and learning from those with whom I disagree.

These past several weeks have been challenging on many fronts. I believe the stimulus bill that was signed into law on Tuesday was a terrible piece of legislation. I am greatly concerned that it will put us deeper in debt without giving us enough bang for the buck. In fact, that bill violates just about every economic belief that I hold dear.

But that doesn't mean I question Democrats' character any more than it means I am cheering against the president.

For the sake of America, I hope I am wrong. If I am, it wouldn't be the first time.

In 1993, I had great concerns about Bill Clinton's tax increase. I thought it would harm the US economy. I was wrong.

Two years later, Bill Clinton and Democrats across America were sure the Republican budget cuts would cripple the economy. They were wrong.

By the end of the decade, President Clinton and the Republicans who ran Congress for most of his presidency had waged fierce budget battles every year but somehow managed to balance the unbalanceable budget. We left with a $155 billion surplus and started paying down the national debt. That creative friction did great things for America's economic strength.

The same thing can happen again. Let's hope so and pray that I am wrong about the stimulus bill for the millions of Americans who are struggling to pay their bills every month.

Because I believe that diversity of thought is a strength, I wish President Obama had made a stronger effort to be bipartisan. But I will not waste my time on that topic since I know that no one who reads this website will agree. And frankly, I don't have the time to waste typing to myself.

But I do want to comment on the continued unbridled hatred that always seems to fly from the keyboards of many Huffington Post readers who comment on my articles and write posts.

Weeks back, I sent a post into this site describing the pride I felt seeing Barack Obama sworn in as President of the United States. Even though he was not a member of my party, he is the president of my country.

I spent the rest of that week blasting Republicans for their refusal to celebrate in the historic moment. I hardly think it conservative to cheer against a president's success.

That positive post about the new president was greeted with vitriolic responses and personal attacks from Huffington Post readers who called me everything but Adolf Hitler and a latter-day Ted Bundy.

Hmmm. Okay.

And then last week, my co-host held our producer's baby on her lap. Mika did it for a very complicated reason. She loves babies and when she saw little Andrew in the studio, she grabbed him. Our floor manager counted her in and the camera light turned on before she could return the baby to his father. Because we are very relaxed on set, Mika rolled with it and interviewed Senator Jim Webb with the baby on her lap. It was great TV and that relaxed atmosphere is what many believe makes our show work.

But that harmless little segment was greeted with more vitriolic emails bashing Mika, the baby and me. For some reason, that rage was unfocused and uncontrollable.

I wish I could say I was surprised. But I told Mika and the child's parents that it was par for the course.

And then, yesterday, I was emailed Bob Cesca's post that compared me to infamous red-baiter Joseph McCarthy, a man described by Time magazine as one of the most evil of the 20th Century.

I am not exactly sure what planet Mr. Cesca has been living on for the past year, but the guest list of "Morning Joe" should be enough to inform anyone with a 3rd grade education that I invite ideological diversity and avoid McCarthy-like inquisitions.

Perhaps Bob should talk to the person who wrote the forward to his book to see if he engaged in a bit of "McCarthyism" himself. If he did talk to that person, I am sure that Arianna Huffington would vouch for my character and just how open-minded I am.

Speaking of Arianna, I was asked by her to write a regular column called "The Loyal Opposition." I agreed immediately, thinking that a free flow of ideas from someone who does not live in the echo chamber of the liberal blogosphere would be an exciting opportunity for readers. Judging from the hate-filled responses to even my positive posts about President Obama, I guess I was mistaken. Too many writing comments below my articles are threatened by anyone who is does not dogmatically follow their own beliefs. And they react by hatefully attacking me.

How open-minded.

As for Mr. Cesca, he has taken my opposition to the Democratic stimulus bill-- based on economic and philosophical differences-- and turned it into something dirty. Bob says I am a "neo-McCarthyite."

Great.

So instead of talking about the philosophical tension that has defined our Republic since Jefferson debated Hamilton over the size of the federal government while in George Washington's cabinet meetings, Mr. Cesca has resorted to name calling. That's too bad.

For those of us who love our country and the diverse viewpoints that have made America the greatest experiment in the history of government, now is the time to engage in intellectual debates between Jeffersonians who err on the side of individual rights, and Hamiltonians who are more likely to defer to the state.

Now is the time to debate the New Deal, the Great Society, Welfare Reform and the direction forward.

Now is the time to debate the causes of the banking disaster, the Wall Street meltdown and our economic collapse.

Now is the time to plan how to put our best foot forward, by investing in Al Gore's dream of a green grid, alternative energy sources and a new economy fueled by green technology that will provide the kind of growth America needs for its long-term health.

Now is the time to talk among ourselves, debate the issues, raise our voices, and learn from those with whom we disagree.

But after reading comments attached to my columns and posts like Bob Cesca's, I'm not so sure that many visitors to this site want anything more than to have their initial assumptions echoed day in and day out.

That's too bad.

Arianna deserves better.

One of the more hopeful aspects of Barack Obama's historic campaign in 2008 was his call for a new style of politics. It was a message that was appealing even to those of us who did not agree with man...
One of the more hopeful aspects of Barack Obama's historic campaign in 2008 was his call for a new style of politics. It was a message that was appealing even to those of us who did not agree with man...
 
 
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10:23 AM on 03/12/2009
Loyal opposition IS needed. One-sided debate and/or legislation can become dangerous very quickly.

But when that opposition is so transparently for political purposes, it does more harm than good. So while you obviously have a point, Joe, about lots of hateful comments (from both sides), you may want to have a conversation with the Cantors and Boehners of your party. They fuel a lot of those comments and give all Republicans a bad name.
09:47 PM on 03/11/2009
Keep it up Joe,

I am a very left leaning individual, but I do enjoy reading right wing commentary from time to time, even reading the wsj editorial pages and the weekly standard when I can. I personally do enjoy reading your ideas as well as I have a number of your books (the only right wing books I own), since unlike many of the more right leaning writers, you constantly try to keep things in perspective and at least try to look at things from a leftist pov. I hope you keep writing here, as I will keep on reading.
04:48 PM on 03/09/2009
Hey Joe-Keep trying. I am a former Republican so I can certainly understand the points you make and have a feeling that we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. I have been a Democrat since Bill Clinton ran in 92. You and I are about the same age, came from the same area so probably have a lot of the same life experiences. I disagree with you some on your show because I feel you do not give the President enough respect and sometimes I feel you are spewing Republican talking points, but then on occasion you admit you are wrong which I will readily agree is rare in Republicans even with the truth staring them in the face--so I thank you for that. I will never attack you or Mika and I will always listen. I watch MSNBC exclusively all day long every single day so I am a devoted MSNBCer. Keep the lines of communication open and I thank you for writing.
05:35 PM on 03/02/2009
Good on ya, Joe. Hang in there. Sadly, the people who just smile and agree don't often have a lot to say, leaving the lunatics, liars, and rebels to make all the noise. Just remember to listen for the people who talk more quietly.
08:25 AM on 03/11/2009
Dick Cheney is one of the more softspoken figures in modern American political history.

Granted, he wasn't exactly a rebel. But he was certainly a lunatic and a liar.

So maybe we shouldn't only listen to the people who talk quietly.
05:14 PM on 03/02/2009
Mr Scarborough has made a fine point about the loyal opposition. Too bad the liberal community did not have someone as capable of articulating this point during the dark days of conservative rule, when any opposition to party policies was met with accusations of disloyalty and even treason.
06:28 PM on 02/26/2009
Joe, I thought that I would let you know that you are not the only non-liberal reading HuffPost. As you said, there is much to be learned from listening to those who do not believe as do you.

Thanks for the post. I for one will be checking back to see what you have to say along with the others on this site.

I do find it amusing that, as I said on another post this morning, Liberals will bash conservatives for their point of reference and tell them that they need to be more open minded. What I fail to see is that liberal celebrating the conservatives right to hold that belief. It's sort of, "You need to be open minded and give up what YOU think so that you can think as I think".

Stick around... It might be fun,,,

Regards,

Simon
05:12 PM on 02/25/2009
Joe,
In general, political blogs get pretty nasty in tone. The Huffington Post bloggers can be incredibly rude but I have read other blogs that maintain a more respectable tone. I think part of the issue is that these forums are often used as a dumping ground for a lot of emotional baggage that people are carrying around. Someone can be nasty and vent on a blog and there are no real world repercussions for these actions. In other words, political blogs tend NOT to bring out the best in people. I think most of these nasty bloggers would maintain a respectable tone if they were face to face with you and they had to deal with a real person and a real world situation.
12:39 PM on 02/25/2009
Joe,

As an independent I like to think that I am open to debate. I fully see the value in opposing positions and thin you make your case very well. I'm sure it's hard to continue doing something if all you seem to get is negativity.

Please stick around.

Kevin
03:08 PM on 02/24/2009
Joe, give us a break.

8 years of dishonest right wind argumentation that dismisses the facts and disrespects the truth has left us exhausted. You need to rebuild our confidence that your side gives a hoot about the facts. We need to start seeing more examples of honest debate that we've grown to expect from you, Chris Buckley, and Governors Christ and Schwartzenegger to be convinced right wingers are really interested in solving problems and using the truth to do that.

I doubt I missed watching a single Firing Line show with my ardently liberal dad from about age 8. He said conservatives were mostly full of crap but it was important to listen to them because they'd find the the holes in liberal thinking before liberals would. In my experience, liberals are generally more open to persuasion than conservatives. As we just witnessed with the Bush administration's changing scientific reports to suit their agenda, when conservatives can't win on the facts they just change the facts.

The sooner you get your side to knock that off the sooner the really cranky right wing haters among us will cool off and start listening again. I'll be listening anyway. I don't think we have all the answers and, like most thoughtful people, most liberals APPRECIATE constructive criticism.
12:41 PM on 02/25/2009
Nice piece - well articulated anger where anger is justified, and then an explicit willingness to move on under reasonable conditions.
And I do find that some of the material submitted to HuffPost by those who share many of my own "left leaning, progressive political opinions" would be more pleasant to read, easier to digest, and more likely to both inform and persuade - if it contained less vitriol.
We have all spent the last 8 years (at a minimum) in pain, rage, embarrassment & frustration. We have a right to be angry and a need to share that with one another. That does not mean an endless future spent attacking those with whom we disagree. The sooner we can separate, in our own minds, the essentially "unteachable" Sean Hannitys, Bill O'Reillys, Ann Coulters & Rush Limbaughs, from those like Joe Scarborough who may bring a useful voice to the table at which we all now sit - the better.
The most important question on the table for Progressives is - Who Do We Want to Be Now that We've Won? The fate of this nation, and perhaps of much of the world, rests on our answer. May we all behave in "victory" with as much grace and style as the man who leads this country.
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maxfax
Taa - dah!
04:58 AM on 02/24/2009
A baby on the lap is not great tv, it's folksy, but for a serious news source, it's unprofessional by any standards.
09:46 PM on 02/23/2009
Joe,

lighten up & have a beer. no one hates you. you're just a talk show host. There is tons on hatred & venom on any political blog. Get a backbone & help fix our country.

That said, I am just as thin skinned as you.

Cheers, Tom
07:05 PM on 02/23/2009
Joe, don't give up! I often watch Morning Joe and find it very stimulating. Although I am a liberal I find you and your guests interesting and thought provoking. I feel smarter when I have the advantage of imput from people with a variety of opinions. Thanks!
12:09 AM on 02/26/2009
"I feel smarter when I have the advantage of imput from people with a variety of opinions. Thanks!"

Agreed!
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indy100
Wise up
06:36 PM on 02/23/2009
I've never listened to your show, but I've heard about it from colleagues. I almost didn't read this column because I tend to avoid the negative. And honestly most of the "conservative" articles tend to be VERY negative. Perhaps that's why you've gotten such negative responses to your column. People get very tired of being on the receiving end, or as I refer to it "the crappy end of the stick". Trust me I know. I live in Utah. I never voted for George Bush, I don't support the war in Iraq. Neither does much of my family or my husband's family; and we had family members fighting there. I was called un-patriotic or un-American because of my views on the war. I was "politely" made fun of for the first 6 or 7 years. After that people saw the disaster themselves and backed off. Oh, did I mention I work in City governemnt??

Like you, I believe in diversity of opinion. I don't see eye-to-eye with my husband, my kids or my parents half the time. The problem I've run into is that most conservaties cannot stand it when you don't agree with them. They seem to feel an overwhelming need to make you SEE IT THEIR WAY. Personally I'm sick to death of it. I now leave a room if a political or religious discussion comes up at work. I remove myself from the situation and save myself the heartburn.
05:26 PM on 02/23/2009
Joe, you and the rest of your show do a GREAT job! I tune in every morning for the smart debate you and your guest provide. Keep up the great work!

A proud liberal, gay, democrat Morning Joe fan!

ps also a lancaster county native, enjoyed your poking fun at the local newspaper coverage of Mika's moving in.
02:56 PM on 02/23/2009
Joe, is you're asking what could be done to make the political discourse more civil, i have a suggestion for you. Why don't you give your audience a little summary "bio" of the politician / political pundit before they come on your show. Key accomplishments, beliefs, etc. And their predictions and % accuracy.
Then we might train viewers to look at the facts -- not just rigid ideology.
I'm so tired of seeing political pundits who are almost always wrong. If they predicted "X," then "Y" actually happened. (We would be greeted as liberators. We were pummeled with rocks.) So why is anyone asking them what they think? (Other than to know that the other side of the argument is likely to be correct.)