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Joel Shatzky

Joel Shatzky

Posted: August 6, 2010 04:29 PM

As the head of the honors program at my college for a number of years I had to determine how much validity I would put into the SAT scores in weighing the admissions criteria for a candidate. In making my decision I also included such criteria as gpa, course choice--some students would choose "easy A" courses in their senior year to beef up their average--and the personal essay the student would write. All of the students selected had among the highest SAT scores and gpa's of that freshman class. Not more than half graduated with an honors degree four or five years later.
Of course, there were rigorous standards that included a minimum "B" in any honors course and a "Senior Thesis" supervised by a faculty member in the candidate's area of study (This was one of the factors that discouraged many of the students from completing their honors requirements.). But from what I experienced, there was little correlation between SAT scores and student success in the program. Some of those with the highest SAT scores, in fact, not only dropped out of the program after the first semester but actually flunked out of the college.
In a recent (8/6/10) episode of "The Brian Lehrer Show" on WNYC, Laurence Bunin, senior vice president of the SAT tests and the College Board, defended the charges of a recent study that found the test "racially biased." He was rebutted by several callers and other discussants questioning the validity of the tests and their objectivity. I found the discussions more than vaguely familiar; it seems as if they have been going on for decades and each side has the "data" to support its view. But the issue of the SAT controversy as to whether or not the test is "racially biased" or "culturally biased" is, to me, beside the point. I don't believe that any standardized test should be a significant factor in determining how well a student is learning. I just don't think the instrument of testing which is, of necessity, a generic one, can accurately account for the many factors that go into measuring what, how and why students learn.
One of my colleagues, a German psychologist with whom I regularly correspond and who is very well acquainted with the "metrics mania" of Americans, describes the use of statistical data to determine social and educational policy "KISS"--"Keep It Simple. . . and Stupid." That's what I believe the SAT's and any of the other knowledge or intelligence tests consists of: reducing human complexity into the simplicity of numbers.
Since I began my career as an educator forty-five years ago, I have heard innumerable controversies over the SAT's, the Stanford-Binet "intelligence tests," and my favorite: the "high-stakes testing" that is doing to the educational system in this country what wild kudzu does to gardens. I have heard from many sources that the SAT's are only accurate in predicting the performance of students in their first semester of college. After that, they are no longer valid. To use a sports metaphor, that would be like determining the quality of a starting pitcher solely on the basis of his performance in the first inning.
My own explanation for the unreliability in predicting college student performance on the basis of standardized tests is that once students become acclimated to the environment of an academic setting, their own personalities and basic work ethic will determine how much they will study, how many classes they will actually attend, and how much they will learn. That is why I believe that if colleges really want to know how well students are likely to do they will rely more heavily on interviews, submitted projects and essays (hopefully written by the student and not "edited" by someone else) than tests. Some schools do this. I believe that all should. But that takes a lot of time and money and effort and in a mass society in which privilege and wealth seem to be more and more the determining factors in having a successful life--however that's defined--it is much easier to give out a standardized test and claim that the "objective" scores prove students' intellectual value and, more significantly, provide a likely estimate of the future of their academic and occupational careers.
That about half of college freshmen never receive a degree and that many who do need to be retrained when they get a job (or, in the present economic climate IF they get a job) should point out that there is something profoundly wrong with our educational system that test scores, whether "fair" or "biased," will not be able to address. That is the failure of an economic system that can no longer generate the good-paying jobs that used to be the expectation of a high school graduate let alone a college graduate. Unless people begin to look outside the narrow way in which education is conventionally viewed and see it as becoming the product of a rapidly developing elitist society, no tests will find an answer to our problems of improving education which can only be done by addressing many factors: economically, culturally, socially and intellectually.

 
 
 
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10:59 PM on 08/23/2010
"I don't believe that any standardized test should be a significant factor in determining how well a student is learning." I am completely with you on this statement and wish more people would start believing it. I think standardized tests put a great deal of unneeded stress on students and in the end the results are in fact biased and unfair.

I graduated college manga cum laude with a high G.P.A. and departmental honors. I was a dual major and I never received anything below a B in any of my courses, yet those facts were no where near enough to prove anything. I, like many others, had to take the GRE to prove...who knows what... to graduate schools.

I am completely against standardized tests and hope that one day there will be less reliance on them and administrators will look beyond a score when determining how a student is learning.

Thank you for writing this article!
12:00 AM on 08/21/2010
In our current system we have large numbers of freshmen who require remedial classes. Large numbers of freshmen who do not complete their degree requirements. And increasingly large numbers of graduates that either can't find jobs; or if they do, the jobs are unrelated to the areas of study they spent tens of thousands of dollars to persue. It may be that a lottery system for some openings would be the fairest and most democratic way to admit students. It's hard to think that the results could be much worse than the current system.
12:00 AM on 08/21/2010
I am so happy to see this article. I have argued for years with my friends that the SAT and other standardized tests are not reliable measures of individual human intelligence or potential. They are too narrow and too simplistic. I rather agree with Shatzky's suggestions about admission being based on a variety of criteria without so much emphasis on test scores. It is true, as has been observed, that many of these other criteria could be manipulated. But doesn't the abilitiy to pay for tutors, test prep classes, and multiple attempts at the test also manipulate the results - in favor of course to those from affluent backgrounds?

It seems to me that best (and original use) of these types of test is to quickly sort large numbers of persons into a few very broad catagories of narrow definition. In other words these test are good for thinning the number of applicants. But is it a fair use of the test? Maybe we should look for some means to measure work ethic, commitment, determination and self dicipline?

In my own life I have seen that good SAT scores have not always lead to success (or even simple completion) of college. I've seen people who did well on test flunk out and have poor quality lives. I've also seen people who didn't test so well manage to have very successful lives due to hard work.
09:52 PM on 08/19/2010
Prof Shatzky seems to have spent most of his career at SUNY Cortland. Since most Cortland grads go on to become gym teachers in New York public schools, perhaps the SAT does not matter much there. But for colleges with more good applicants than available slots, there has to be some way to more or less level the playing field for non-legacy, non-wealthy applicants from relatively unknown high schools. And until someone comes up with something proven to be better, the SAT (and/or ACT) is it.
12:59 AM on 08/16/2010
The SAT is what allows kids from Bumbletown, Idaho to level the playing field with a kid from Andover. Without it, the ridiculous process of college admissions will become even more meritocratic.
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05:27 PM on 08/15/2010
Without some form of standardized assessment to supplement the full application, one would have to rely exclusively on an application (easily "enhanced" with outside assistance) and GPA - highly variable and dependent on the vagaries of a local school. Grade inflation has become so rampant as has cheating that there are no alternatives but to have standardized measures like to SAT/ACT to gauge a student's qualifications. BTW, the current SAT also includes a writing sample that is done in the security of a test center to assure the integrity of the work
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07:36 PM on 08/19/2010
I'm gratified at the many thoughtful--if critical--comments my recent post elicited. I'm much more interested in being properly informed than in being always right. But my problem with the SAT's goes well beyond their questionable reliability. There are affluent students that can be given "prep courses" in taking the SAT's that will increase their scores although exactly how much is open to debate. That, in itself, is an unfair advantage. The writing component might act as a counter to this, but nonetheless, affluent students can get better scores on the SAT's through being able to afford the extra tutoring. As far as "levelling the playing field" is concerned, a student from an area of the country where there is a small application pool can also have an advantage over an applicant from New York City of Los Angeles since one of the criteria colleges look for is geographic diversity. Another important issue is that students who score 1400 on the SATS are just as capable of outstanding work as those who have a perfect score, so, as Lawrence Summers once said: "There should be a lottery to get into Harvard." But, as probably still occurs though perhaps not as often as in the past "legacy" counts a great deal in determinng a competitive applicant's chances of being admitted to an elite school. That is, if the applicant was "smart enough to pick the right parents" who had already attended the school.
07:37 PM on 08/13/2010
Historically high school GPA has a somewhat higher correlation with college freshman year GPA than SAT does, however high school GPA is highly dependent on how demanding the high school was, where SAT is very much up to the individual's merits.

"All of the students selected had among the highest SAT scores and gpa's of that freshman class." How could you determine that those with high SAT were likely to drop out... if ALL had high SAT scores? The range of GPA and of SAT would have been curtailed. Since the students with high SAT who dropped out also had high (high school) GPA, perhaps the measure of academic ability contributed by the SAT was mostly accounted for by the high GPA, in other words, for that preselected group, SAT was not an independent predictor.

Where students do well freshman year, but not so well after, maybe the cause in not in the student's scholastic ability but in something going on in the school. There are factors beyond just scholastic ability that contribute to a student's college achievement, like financial resources, values, social compatibility, family support, and others.

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08:42 PM on 08/13/2010
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06:09 PM on 08/13/2010
I'm an Ivy grad, tops. I didn't have the time nor the thousands of dollars to play the GRE game. So I said the heck with and went to graduate school in Canada. Nailed everything there, too, of course.
01:00 AM on 08/16/2010
Taking the GRE doesn't cost that much, does it?
05:12 AM on 08/16/2010
the GRE currently costs $160
11:26 PM on 08/12/2010
I also wanted to say that your last paragraph does nothing to advance your point. In that paragraph, you paint a negative picture of college graduates without supporting the picture in a way that's consistent with your article:

"That about half of college freshmen never receive a degree and that many who do need to be retrained when they get a job (or, in the present economic climate IF they get a job) should point out that there is something profoundly wrong with our educational system that test scores, whether 'fair' or 'biased,' will not be able to address."

So what are the SAT scores of these freshman you've described? If their SAT scores are low then your argument would be crippled. If their SAT scores vary greatly then your argument would be strengthened. Since you didn't mention their SAT scores, this paragraph is irrelevant and should be disregarded.
11:16 PM on 08/12/2010
"That is why I believe that if colleges really want to know how well students are likely to do they will rely more heavily on interviews, submitted projects and essays (hopefully written by the student and not "edited" by someone else) than tests. Some schools do this. I believe that all should."

I see what you're getting at, but I just wanted to say that, within the above paragraph you sort of unwittingly made a statement against the policy you're advocating. In the above paragraph you observed that submitted projects and essays can be "edited" by someone else. Such editing could compromise a pool of prospective students in ways that an SAT prevents (since students take the SAT alone and must submit it without being allowed to show it to an adult for "editing" purposes).
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04:46 PM on 08/12/2010
"in a mass society in which privilege and wealth seem to be more and more the determining factors in having a successful life"

That was enough for me. Hard to disprove that one. You really think GWB would have been accepted to Yale without being a a multi-millionare and a legacy acceptance? Education in America can be summed up as "It is way more important where you learned it than what you know."

Its this simple, you will never decrease college cost or level the field until you test 10% of every class of every college after they Graduate in a really, really hard comprehensive test. Then provide Federal and State funds accordingly. -AJB