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Tony Blair Says Full Gay Equality Is Coming to America -- and Clashes With the Pope

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Tony Blair's decade in power is seared with disappointments, but there is one cool, consistent success-story that ran through his time in power: the rapid advance of gay rights. If we had known in 1997 we would achieve full legal equality for gay people in Britain - including de facto gay marriage, military service, and a ban on discrimination - so fast and with so little fuss, we would have been startled. When I interviewed the former Prime Minister about gay rights last month to mark the 15th anniversary of Attitude, Britain's best-selling gay magazine, I glimpsed his very best side - and the strange, gaping blind spots that did so much harm to his record, and the world.

Leaning forward, Blair offers a passionate defense of the equality of gay people. He talks about how, from his schooldays, he had gay friends who were terrified to come out, and how the homophobia of the Conservative Party represented "everything I wanted to change" about Britain. He talks about how the endless charge of political correctness is used by "reactionary forces" as "a cover by people arguing against basic equality. Equality isn't political correctness, it's just justice." He says with a smile that delivering on it was one of his "proudest achievements."

And he transfers this success into an almost Messianic optimism about the future. He says he opposes Proposition 8 and is confident the US will follow Britain and accept gay marriage soon. Even when it comes to evangelical Christians, he says, "I think there is a generational shift that is happening there. If you talk to the older generation, yes, you will still get a lot of pushback, and parts of the Bible quoted, and so on. But actually, if you look at the younger generation of evangelicals, this is increasingly for them something that they wish to be out of - at least in terms of having their position confined to being anti-gay."

As probably the most high-profile pro-gay religious person in the world, he says he is "optimistic" that all religions - including Islam - can go through "a process of Reformation" that will end with them accepting openly gay people and their partners. They will see they have to "treat religious thought and even religious texts as themselves capable of evolution over time. You have to understand the context and the society in which they were expressed. So, when people quote the passages in Leviticus condemning homosexuality, I say to them - if you read the whole of the Old Testament and took everything that was there in a literal way, as being what God and religion is about, you'd have some pretty tough policies across the whole of the piece."

It is part of the "mission" of his Faith Foundation, he says, to move religion away from this anti-gay literalism and towards pro-gay "evolution."

He doesn't hide his disagreement with the anti-gay bile of the leader of his own faith, the Pope. He says "again, there is a huge generational difference here" and that "if you went and asked the [ordinary Catholic] congregation, I think you'd find that their faith is not to be found in those types of entrenched attitudes." The fight for gay equality was a rare occasion when Blair took on the right. I ask him if he wishes he had done it more, and he looks thoughtful. "It depends on the issue. But yes." What issues? He does his diplomatic smile. "I'd better not say."

And yet, and yet... I soon crash into the blind-spot that sent his Premiership spinning to an early death. I ask him if he ever discussed his pro-gay views with George W. Bush. "No, I can't say I did. I mean, here's an interesting thing. I honestly haven't the faintest idea of how he voted on any of these things, but I'd be quite surprised if he personally were prejudiced."

It's a bizarre answer. Of course he knows what George Bush did to oppose gay equality - he reads the newspapers. Why not just say he disagrees? Why lie - and add the word "honestly" as you do it? Why actually defend a man whose views on gay people are so obnoxious, and so opposite to his own? What does it matter what he "personally" believes, when he politically opposes gay rights?

Wrapped into this little interview was the paradox - and the tragedy - of Tony Blair. When he chose to fight on liberal issues, he was passionate, and brilliant. But he did it only a few times - and he willingly suspended these, his most impressive and admirable instincts, to embark on a bloody barn-dance with the worst President in living memory. Why?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper. To read more of his articles, click here or here.

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