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America Deserves a Better Deal

Posted: 08/04/11 03:17 PM ET

This past Monday, the House of Representatives held a vote on the so-called debt ceiling deal. I strongly opposed this legislation.

While default was not an option, I would have preferred a bill that raised taxes on corporations that earn billions of dollars a year and have not paid one dollar in taxes. I would have preferred a bill that included an extension of unemployment benefits for those hit hardest by the recession. I would have even preferred a clean bill that simply raised the debt ceiling and allowed Congress to hold a serious debate on debt reduction without it being held hostage to a manufactured "crisis" that brought our country to the brink of financial ruin.

Instead we got the Budget Control Act of 2011, a bill that invests too much power in the hands of a special congressional committee that consists of only 12 members of Congress. The Joint Select Commission on Deficit Reduction can consider cuts of any kind, including cuts to three of our country's most vital safety net programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. That means that only 12 members of Congress get to decide the proposals concerning these critical programs while every other member must settle for an up or down vote at the end of the process.

Thus under a bill that excludes revenue raising measures and that does not close legal loopholes exploited by tax-evading corporations, the poor and working families who rely on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security may once again find their benefits on the chopping block. And most members, who represent the vast majority of the people who might be impacted, will have little input on the final plan.

The irony of this of course is that large majorities of the American people oppose cuts to these programs. But in an attempt to shield this new commission from the political forces that roiled this past debate over the debt ceiling, the process set up by the Budget Control Act reduces the voice of the American people to a whisper.

That is why I along with 16 of my colleagues introduced a resolution, H. Con. Res. 72, expressing the sense of Congress that any legislative language approved by the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction should not reduce benefits for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid recipients. At a moment when the economy is reeling, we should heed the voice of the American people and focus on protecting these sources of financial stability and security.

Congress needs to go on the record and state its intent to preserve America's safety net programs. My colleagues and I believe this resolution is needed to renew Congress' longstanding commitment to provide assistance to the most vulnerable members of society. And the American people need to send a message to the members of the deficit reduction commission, whoever they may end up being, that they need to prioritize the preservation of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and to focus on finding a means of balancing the budget that does not do so on the backs of working families.

 
 
 
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Eppur Si
One of the majority who are not part of the "99%"
09:17 AM on 08/05/2011
Rep. Conyers wants to raise taxes and spend more money on social programs. I'm shocked, shocked...

Rep. Conyers would no doubt be astounded to discover that most Americans don't want an unemployment check. They want a job. Raising taxes on employers is the surest way to make certain they don't get one. Paying people to remain unemployed is the second surest way.
09:09 AM on 08/05/2011
We.Don't.Have.The.Money.

We can't fix our finances without touching the big3.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
09:37 AM on 08/05/2011
Your right and we can't touch the big 3 because every Democrat under the sun says you are wanting to get rid of them.

Why can people not see that if we do not fix these 3 problems, we will never fix our overall budget problem. The current programs are not sustainable.
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RickO
Musician, Atheist
08:57 AM on 08/05/2011
Once this little commission is named, it's going to be open season on these 12 people in their districts and states. It will be ideological fringe whackos and the uber-wealthy with agendas who will put enormous pressure on this small group that has been ordained with much power.

I don't want 12 individuals making such impactful decisions on our behalf. I want 535 members of the House and Senate to do the job we hired them for, to deliberate, not to hide from their positions and not to put political expediency ahead of everything. This commission is the boldest display of cowardice I've ever seen from Congress.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
09:39 AM on 08/05/2011
I couldn't agree with you more and if we don't like what they are doing then we can vote them out. That is how the system is supposed to work. I'm a Republican and I totally disagree with most of what these Tea Party people are saying, but I also disagree with what these Progressive Democrats are saying. The best part about it all though is that every two years I can vote for someone else and I like that. I want to keep that and having a "Super Congress" I think takes that right away from you and me both no matter what our political views may be.
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RickO
Musician, Atheist
10:59 AM on 08/05/2011
Indeed it does limit both sides of the debate. I am an Independent but I lean far left on social issue and a little to the right on fiscal responsibility. We both want our financial house in order. Being liberal does not mean irresponsible nor does being a Republican automatically align one with the Tea Party. We have to live together and having broad representation is what makes it work. A commission that essentially creates a financial edict under threat of severe repercussions makes us not much different than authoritarian regimes. Intransigence from either side is very irresponsible and this so-called deal is the outcome of an irresponsibility that I would call malfeasance and I'd like to see it challenged for its constitutionality. I have no respect for the Tea Party but, at the same time, I find it hard to justify voting for Obama again either.
11:42 AM on 08/05/2011
Agreed. If Congress is so keen on cutting spending (that will cause a lot of job losses), why aren't they reducing the number of people in the House of Representatives by 10% as well? I could do with 44 fewer Congressmen - considering their approval rating is now, what, 14%. Oh wait that would never happen because that would mean the special interests have 44 fewer Congressional representatives to buy.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
08:48 AM on 08/05/2011
They are not talking about cutting these programs but reforming how they done. Why should the government have to pay $20 for an aspirin under Medicaid and Medicare when it can by a generic version of the drug for penny’s on the dollar? These are the types of reforms that need to be made inside of Medicaid and Medicare to make them solvent. The problem is that when you mention or even talk about trying to make these programs more efficient so they will last another 50 years, Democrats accuse you of trying to get rid of them. No one wants to get rid of it, but we shouldn’t just sit by and not find ways to make it run more efficient and cost less so we can keep it going.
Eppur Si
One of the majority who are not part of the "99%"
09:24 AM on 08/05/2011
Fanned and faved. Unfortunately, the lefties won't understand a word of what you said. The way they think is -- lefties have good intentions, so the programs they support must be good. If those programs don't work, then we obviously have to pump more money into them. We HAVE to do this, because the programs are good. Fortunately, lefties know that there is an endless supply of money available by simply taxing the "rich." Anyone who disagrees with them obviously doesn't share their good intentions. Such people have bad intentions. Such people are malicious. Hence, the endless stream of comments saying that "teabaggers" want to watch people starve in the streets so that hedge fund managers can have bigger yachts. They want this because their corporate overlords tell them to. It never dawns on them how ridiculous this is. Trying to explain economics to a lefty is like trying to explain calculus to your dog.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
09:43 AM on 08/05/2011
yeah I agree, it is a real problem and what we need is for both parties to be realistic and start working on fixing it. I mean the way the system is setup, if I'm a doctor I can absolutely milk Medicare and Medicaid by running every test under the sun I can think of to "make sure they are healthy" and just bill the government. This is why the cost in these programs has gone through the roof because there is no check or balance to what these doctors are charging. Just because someone comes to you with a headache doesn't mean you need to order a $3,500 MRI when you can give them some Migrain medicine. If the problem persist and doesn't get better then perhaps you look at more test, but you don't start off with it right off the bat. That is why these programs are just not solvant.
11:49 AM on 08/05/2011
As one article pointed out yesterday, the US is the only country in the world that allows pharmaceutical patents, but does not regulate their prices.

90% of the patent infringement cases that go to court are pharm cases.

Regulating (it's done with public utilities) can reduce prices, make them affordable, not put people out of work and drastically lower the cost of healthcare, including Medicare and Medicaid without cutting the benefits. More taxes on the upper 1% needs to get done, but it's far from the only thing that needs to get done to promote a fiscally sound budget (ending wars, ending corporate welfare, raise SS age, close tax loopholes, etc)
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
08:26 AM on 08/05/2011
We deserve a better system.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
08:50 AM on 08/05/2011
You are right but we will never get a better system because a better system would mean we would need to talk about replacing or improving this system and that is something that no Democrat will ever allow to happen. The existing system we have is the one the Democrats want to keep and keep funding it in its current form.
08:26 AM on 08/05/2011
Maybe congress needs to stop letting big insurance subsidize Medicare. Big insurance charges full premiums, but won't pay anything until after medicare deductables have been met, and even then only 20%. What a sweetheart deal for big insurance, while they rake in billions, medicare gets drained, and the american people get triple charged, with the premium, and never getting full coverages, draining the medicare system, and our taxes are raised or benifits reduced. Big Pharma also is getting richer on the backs of medicare by not having the same system as the VA, with prescription prices being competitively filled, again giving Big Pharm a windfall, and costing us billions more. SS could be changed with increased yearly max rate, and other things rather then raising the age, and who's going to employee people at that age other than as a WalMart greeter.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
08:49 AM on 08/05/2011
That's is exactly why there needs to be reform inside of these programs. No one is saying we need to get rid of them but exactly what you are saying is what needs to get fixed with them. The problem is if you even mention this idea at all, every Democrat under the sun will say you want to get rid of this program and you should be flogged.
11:53 AM on 08/05/2011
As a vet, the VA model is much more efficient. They substitute generics and use their bargaining power to get drugs for those with VA healthcare. As a result, I think (not sure) that the VA pays about 20% less for drugs than Medicare does. That would be tens of billions of dollars if Medicare did it the same way.
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alafonse
It's definitely a crap-shoot.
07:58 AM on 08/05/2011
It's obvious that Congress only understands money and budget, so concentrate on this:
Cut Medicare and you cut spending, which will sock the economy pretty hard. Cut Medicare and people may not go to the doctor and get all those nice pricey tests that generate revenue.
Cut Medicaid and expect a whole bunch of medical bills that simply won't get paid, plus you'll be picking up the tab for uninsured sicker patients who waited too long to get medical care.
It's all about the money, and cutting safety net programs will cut revenue and increase spending.
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Josh Steinhauer
Ex-Patriot, Europe
08:52 AM on 08/05/2011
Yeah but at the same point you don't need to run every test under the sun because you went to the doctor and felt sick. Doctors do this because they can bill Medicaid and Medicare for all these test and then make more money themselves. That is why these programs need to be reformed so we can ensure they can keep going into the future.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
07:14 AM on 08/05/2011
Dear Mr Conyer
I am not sure about your message here.
As I understand it, SS, Medicare and Medicaid are protected in the deal. You should know that.
Unless the Commission might agree - which is unlikely since repuBS already made clear revenues will not be on the table.
So this do nothing commission will do nothing - automatically enacting spending cuts on defense and domestic spending - not being the entitlement programs.
None of these cuts will happen in 2012 or 2013 and in 2013 with a new government the remainder of the deal will end up in the trashcan along with the committee of do nothing.
Absolute stroke of genius by Obama - even better that repuBS sell it to their base as 98% win! It is like standing there with a bucket of horse manure and saying the steaks are ready...
I guess your article is a little bit political scaremongering to keep the base alert - and I dont think its a good idea. I think explaining the genius of this deal would work a whole lot better..
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
06:14 AM on 08/05/2011
I am SO HAPPY, that Democrats are standing firm on Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare for citizen and undocumented alike.
As a Baby Boomer, I am Happy that our American youth, that can not get a job, as long as I hold it, will pay for my retirement, when I get around to it.
I am Happy, that young Progressives will be paying for my medical bills.  There are SO MANY Boomers, that I would have a hard time paying for the attention of overloaded physicians, on my own.

I am EXTREMELY HAPPY, that I have liquidated my 401k's before the Market down turn.  It would be so hard to enjoy my golden years, without spending in the manner that I am acustomed to.

Thank You Progressive Liberal Piggy Banks!
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eddy joe
welcome to the machine
06:12 AM on 08/05/2011
It's all over When they created the super congress, they created a power to stip americans of anything they had left. And a vessel to place the blame on.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
05:01 AM on 08/05/2011
Must I read the artical before I comment on it?

You balk at signing a Budget Control Bill that so weakly, tries to restrain to government spending, after committing the fortunes of working Americans to pay for a healthcare system, designed to fail.  A bill so large and couched in legalese, that YOU DID NOT READ IT, BEFORE YOU VOTED ON IT!

A 2200 page OUTLINE, to be filled in at a later date, by faceless bureaucrats.
Didn't anyone ever teach you, NEVER SIGN A CONTRACT with blank pages, to be filled in after your signature?
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
07:04 AM on 08/05/2011
Bye Dan - nobody interested
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
07:11 AM on 08/05/2011
Wrong.....my unborn grandchildren are VERY interested.
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shadow322
03:47 AM on 08/05/2011
The real money this country owes is a result of the Bush tax cuts and the accumulated interest inherited by this and future administrations and they all know it. Their getting away with the right "spins" has got to stop. We have to stop supporting our candidates the minute they show their stripes are fraught with lies. This can no longer be acceptable if we expect to reclaim our country's integrity. Gays, God and guns can wait a while don't you think? Insist your candidates focus on restoring jobs for the middle class. This can start with an end to immigration until unemployment drops below 8% (in real numbers) and attach a 25% import tax on these companies that have exported our jobs but turn right around and sell their foreign made products back to us. China and others do this to protect their workers. We don't, not for some rationalized freedom but because some of our politicians have been bought out by corporate lobbyists! Identify who these double talkers are and dump them. Fix these things before we go back to arguing about gays, gods and guns - please!
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
05:21 AM on 08/05/2011
Waaaaaaa!
Does it matter who , or how many administrations, created this debt.
The "Adults" in the room want to pay off the debt, rather than "Kicking it Down the Road!"

How many liberals chastise Republicans for wanting to destroy the environment today, at the expense of their children, and their grandchildren?  
Why do you willingly commit yourself and future generations to paying off the debt of wasteful politicians, servants of the people!

Government should SHARE in the sacrifices the president so easily assigns to this country's citizens.
The country IS NOT BROKE, the government is.  
How easy it is for 51% if the nations citizens, recipients of government largess, to vote for others to dig deeper into THEIR pockets.

You say the Tea Party Representatives refused to compromise!  Many of the "No!" votes came from veteran politicians covering their re-election azses! 

I see no room for compromise when the two options are "Your wallet and your watch," or "just your wallet!"
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
07:13 AM on 08/05/2011
OK...raise the bottom bracket up from 10% to 15%.........can't stand those Bush tax cuts.
03:22 AM on 08/05/2011
This latest republican stunt nudged the already fragile economy off the cliff. We are now headed for a very serious economic free fall. You were determined from the get go to make your own president fail and you've succeeded in bringing down the nation's economy. Thanks republicans.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
05:33 AM on 08/05/2011
OUR President, is a self made failure.
Assembling a Debt Commission,
Listening to the Debt Commission,
Rejecting the advice of the Debt Commission!

Mr. Obama wants Geithner to remain, because, he does not have anybody else to go to in his shallow pool of talent, that is willing to be ignored, then blamed, then driven over.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
07:06 AM on 08/05/2011
No Dan, our President is a genius.
But no one expects you to understand
Bye Dan
03:32 PM on 08/05/2011
Just so happens Obama wanted a balanced approach to deficit cuts, exactly like the commission recommended. It was republicans who refused to accept the commission's advice Dan. It was republicans who created this false debate over the debt ceiling which brought the economy to its knees. It was republicans who made 60 votes mandatory in the senate which kept congress from passing legislature that would spur the economy and create jobs. Ever since republicans took over the House the economy has dipped significantly. Coincidence? Republicans aren't the solution to the problem folks, they are the problem. Wanna robust economy? Republicans get out of the way.
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
07:13 AM on 08/05/2011
Wait till the next budget cycle.....you think the GOP House held out for cuts.....JUST WAIT!
03:34 PM on 08/05/2011
You may have gotten more than you bargained for CAT. By focusing on making their own president fail, the GOP put us at risk of another great depression. Good job conservatives.
02:21 AM on 08/05/2011
Maybe if Congressman Conyers had spent more time supporting the President, instead of bashing him at every opportunity, the President could have achieved a better deal.
socialtalker
this micro-bio is a great idea!
10:59 AM on 08/08/2011
its NOT conyers job to support the president. his job as my congressmen is the support his constientents in particular and the american public in general. this aint no cult of personality, we need to be loyal to ideas, not politicians. obama has not stood loyal to what he said he would do as president, therefore he has automatic support for whatever he does is rubbish.
01:40 AM on 08/05/2011
is this the same john conyers that said he does not have the time to read those complicated bills that he votes on in the house?now theres a real brainiac for you.so if you tax the oil companies more, what do you think will happen to the price of oil?will the oil company just absorb the tax increase or will it pass the tax onto the consumer?when you force health insurers to give free birth control pills,morning after pills,breast pumps,etc.etc.etc.will the cost to all of the insured go up or down?