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Mladic v. Bin Laden: A Tale of Two Raids

Posted: 05/31/11 04:35 PM ET

They were both responsible for thousands of civilian deaths in causes they believed were righteous. They both occupied top spots on the World's Most Wanted list. They were both the subject of raids that were years in the making and required extensive intelligence work. 

But in all other respects -- and particularly in the messages they sent to the international community -- the operations against Ratko Mladic and Osama bin Laden couldn't have been more different. It wasn't a foreign power, but the Serbian police that conducted the pre-dawn raid to capture the former Bosnian Serb military general who was responsible for the shelling of Sarajevo and the massacres in Srebrenica. Rather than kill Mladic, the police took him into custody. And instead of dealing with the perpetrator domestically, the Serbian government has announced that it will send him to The Hague to be tried for war crimes -- 16 years after his indictment was handed down.

Hollywood is already preparing a movie on the search for bin Laden that will dramatize the targeted assassination of the al Qaeda leader, and thereby amplify the message that this was a just and worthy enterprise. The capture of Mladic was, by contrast, anti-dramatic. A team of special police showed up in the northern Serbian town of Lazarevo and confronted the old man as he was about to go for a pre-dawn walk. He handed over his two guns and gave up without a struggle. 

Mladic and bin Laden were responsible for a comparable number of deaths. But Mladic didn’t kill any Americans. So nabbing the war criminal was not a top White House priority, though the CIA spent years tracking the man around former Yugoslavia. Instead it was left to Serbia to choose how diligently to pursue Mladic. Until 2000 and the ouster of Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic, the war criminal lived more or less in the open, protected by supporters in high places. It took a while, but eventually those who favor the rule of law gained the upper hand in Belgrade.

The timing of the arrest was perhaps a little too perfect. The European Union had been pressing Serbia to clear away this major obstacle to EU membership, with the head of EU foreign policy Catherine Ashton in Belgrade the very day of the arrest. And the ruling party of Boris Tadic was looking at an uphill battle in the 2012 elections.

Regardless of the motivations and the outside pressures, the Serbian government opted to do the right thing. And as Merdijana Sadovic writes at the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, the arrest was an opportunity for the Serbian media to take a long hard look at the past: "RTS television showed several documentaries about the crimes committed in Srebrenica in July 1995, the 1992-95 siege of Sarajevo, and reels of archive footage showing Mladic as an unpredictable and arrogant commander displaying no respect for the UN troops deployed in Bosnia, no empathy for civilians, and no mercy for his enemies."

The backlash within Serbia has been comparatively muted. On Sunday, several thousand hardcore nationalists, including soccer thugs and neo-Nazis, rallied in Belgrade, but these numbers pale in comparison to earlier demonstrations of ultra-nationalist fervor. Still, polls from before Mladic's arrest suggest that opinion was roughly divided between those who approved his arrest (34 percent) and those who regarded him as a hero (40 percent). Tadic was taking a certain political risk by nabbing this half-hero.

Ultra-nationalist Serbs are not the only ones who have rallied behind Mladic. That great Islamophobe Pamela Geller, the force behind the protests around the Park 51 Islamic Center in lower Manhattan, has been trying to rally support for Mladic and his other Serbian colleagues charged with war crimes. “The crime they are all morally charged with -- above and beyond anything legal or technical -- is daring to fight back when Muslims attacked,” she recently wrote. There were, of course, atrocities committed by Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has indicted several of them. But the aggressors were the Bosnian Serbs, backed by the Serbian government of Slobodan Milosevic. Geller is not just wrong, but wrong at the level of Holocaust denial.

It was once commonplace for the right wing to accuse the left of implacable naiveté, of willful ignorance of evil. A utopian belief in the perfectibility of humanity suggested to right-wing critics, particularly those coming out of the Christian tradition, that the left and its attempt to remake society failed to acknowledge the fallen nature of mankind. Such utopianism followed a direct line from the guillotine to the gulag to Pol Pot's attempt to turn Cambodia back to Year Zero.

But the right's belief in the imperfectability of humanity led to similarly disastrous consequences, from carpet bombing to blindness in the face of genocide. During the unraveling of Yugoslavia, for instance, Secretary of State James Baker justified the U.S. non-response with his famous phrase, "We don't have a dog in that fight." We simply stood back and watched evil play itself out.

But perhaps the most insidious U.S. response to evil has been the superhero approach. The world's lone superpower, like Spiderman or Superman, would go after the world's bad guys and simply do away with them. Washington targeted rogue leaders (Saddam Hussein), rogue states (North Korea), and just plain rogues (Osama bin Laden). We would cooperate with the international community when we could and, in Bill Clinton's definition of a la carte multilateralism, act alone "if we must." This doctrine of superhero-ism is utopian in its own way for its faith in the crusader's ability to singlehandedly rid the world of bad guys.

Barack Obama has operated firmly in this tradition, most saliently in the targeted assassination of Osama bin Laden. Indeed, as Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF) columnist Conn Hallinan points out, the bin Laden operation has formalized a whole new approach that dispenses with the notion of sovereignty and emphasizes the role of secrecy. "What would be the reaction if Cuban armed forces had landed in Florida and assassinated Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch, two anti-Castro militants who were credibly charged with setting bombs in Havana and downing a Cuban airliner?" he writes in The New Face of War. "Washington would treat it as an act of war." In the comic-book world, only the superhero/superpower can break the rules on behalf of the greater good.

The apprehending of Ratko Mladic offers a different model of behavior. The Serbs ultimately did the job themselves in adherence to international standards of justice. They did so despite considerable public support for Mladic, misgivings about the balance of the ICTY, and frustration over the EU's carrot-and-stick tactics. Imagine how different the situation in South Asia might have been if Pakistan, through a combination of inside determination and outside pressure, had apprehended Osama bin Laden and sent him to The Hague. It might have taken a few more years to orchestrate. But the benefits would have been enormous.

It is not naïve to prefer justice meted out by the rule of law versus justice meted out by the rule of superheroes. In a very pragmatic way, Serbia's action strengthened respect for legal practices. Witness the upsurge in support for the Serbian policeman who used not a truncheon against a would-be ultranationalist arsonist at Sunday's protest but simply the words, "So, you came here to demolish my Belgrade?" The peaceful arrest of Mladic, which signaled that Serbia is ready to become embedded in the web of rules and regulations of the EU, was a rite of passage. In contrast, the United States got its man, but demonstrated that it still hasn't grown out of its comic-book phase.

Evil rarely comes in arch-villainous packages like The Joker. Evil is systemic, pervasive, and yes, part and parcel of modern U.S. policy from Hiroshima to Iraq. After another Memorial Day of mourning our dead, we should reflect on the Serbian path. It was not easy for Serbs to confront their own bloody history, grapple with their own legitimate grievances, and address the problem of evil in the form of Ratko Mladic. But this arrest helps move us closer to that legitimately utopian project of a world without war than the successful but deeply troubling operation against Osama bin Laden.

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They were both responsible for thousands of civilian deaths in causes they believed were righteous. They both occupied top spots on the World's Most Wanted list. They were both the subject of raids th...
They were both responsible for thousands of civilian deaths in causes they believed were righteous. They both occupied top spots on the World's Most Wanted list. They were both the subject of raids th...
 
 
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10:12 AM on 06/06/2011
Additionally, taking Osama bin Laden alive may have been difficult in the case that he was already dead for years.
02:59 PM on 06/01/2011
My big problem right now is that three significant facts are being totally ignored by the mainstream media: 1) the fact that Egyptian and Pakistani media (as well as Fox News, AP, CNN, the Telegraph and several others) reported on bin Laden's death and funeral in Dec. 2001 2) the fact that bin Laden repeatedly took the position that it violated his Islamic beliefs to kill innocent civilians, even in battle and 3) the fact that the CIA regularly monitored communications (several times a month) between bin Laden and his supporters from the early nineties to Dec 2001, when they stopped receiving any intercepts. David Ray Griffin (author of The New Pearl Harbor) outlines all this very nicely in his 2009 Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive. I blog about this at http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2011/06/01/osama-bin-laden-dead-or-alive/
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
02:30 PM on 06/01/2011
I am first in line to protest when America commits a misdeed. I want my country to regain its international moral standing. That being said, your criticism here misses the mark. And you acknowledge it, tacitly:

"It took a while, but eventually those who favor the rule of law gained the upper hand in Belgrade. The timing of the arrest was perhaps a little too perfect. The European Union had been pressing Serbia to clear away this major obstacle to EU membership."

Serbia is a small European country, economically at a stage we used to call Second World, whose neighbors all benefit from EU membership.

Pakistan is the world's second-largest Muslim country; Third-World, with unrivaled economic corruption; sporting open popular antagonism to America, bin Laden's enemy; with a seventy-year track record of war; and, possesses and proliferates nuclear weapons technology.

The primary difference between these two operations took place was the countries in which they occurred, not the identities of the police who broke down the door. Would you seriously recommend that we wait for Pakistan to "opt to do the right thing?" Can you imagine Pakistani police touching bin Laden?

Ideally, I wish that a U.N. endorsed force would have brought bin Laden to justice. That authority should apply to American war criminals, too. In the absence of my ideal choice, however: I would NOT choose to see the bin Ladens and Mladices of this world walk free.
01:13 PM on 06/01/2011
Guess it is not so odd that only one cable told us the Honduran people have forced the return of their former President who the U.S. had kidnapped from his home, in pajamas by hooded soldiers, flown to an American Air base in Costa Rica and then 2 years in exile in Mexico. All peacefully.
A lesson for Obie, but then again he does not run the country but others did this while he was president. Is he just in office to make speeches and raise money.
How come Germany is recovering so rapidly econonmically while our talking heads say it will take us years?
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12:48 PM on 06/01/2011
Apprehending and trying bin Laden instead of just killing him would have been a major inconvenience. We would have had to figure out where and how to try him, and we would have had to do all that stupid legal stuff needed to prove the crimes we accused him of. Plus, the White House, CIA and Pentagon wouldn't have been able to bask in the glory of the kill for two weeks as they did.
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11:04 AM on 06/01/2011
I still think that the Seal's raid was the best thing that's happened this year. Personally I'm a cathartic revenge kinda guy, not so much an 'extradited to the Hague' kinda guy.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:09 AM on 06/01/2011
Do be serious.

Mladic is now old, frail and is no longer in the midst of an organization that the raiding country is trying to wipe from the face of the earth. The time to take military action against Mladic was 1995. It might be a cautionary tale for future genocidal chaps that today he'd could be smoked from a drone within days (not that it seems to be helping in Darfur).
11:29 AM on 06/01/2011
u should move to finland instead of enjoying the luxuries we have in the u.s. that are due in large part to our self determination and ability to act without anyone holding our hand and without needing everyones approval to feel good about ourselves.
besides if you felt the way you descibed in the article, you shouldnt want to live here anyways....since our values dont align with yours.
ILL PAY FOR YOUR ONE WAY TICKET!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:33 PM on 06/01/2011
What on earth are you wittering on about?

I simply point out that the time for military action against Mladic is long gone, whereas bin laden is very much fair game.

If bin laden had been tracked down to the pakistan army officers' twilight home in 2030, the time would have been right to take him quietly into custody.
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05:03 PM on 06/01/2011
What is wrong with Finland ? Nice beer , lots of hotties , high standard of living
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Elbrando
The dream shall never die - Ted Kennedy
08:59 AM on 06/01/2011
Serbia decided to finally arrest this person not out of a sense of justice, but because they wish to become part of a "superpower", namely the EU. With out pressure from the superpower he would not be on his way to the Hague, because Serbia has very little power by itself.

Pakistan is different. Pakistan has real power. It has a larger population, and nuclear weapons. The US relationship is tenuous at best and we are not even seriously considering having Pakistan join us into a real bloc of power as Serbia is with the EU.

These situations are very different and call for different solutions. Mladic will have followers that will be angry but they number in the thousands and don't seem to be commiting random acts of terrorism. Bin Laden has many more followers and a potential for millions more.

Killing bin Laden wasn't a great solution, but in a list of them it was at least acceptable.
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Gerald OHare
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08:31 AM on 06/01/2011
No there are major differences between the two situations. With OBL the war is ongoing and with RM the war was already won, because of America by the way, years ago. RM was by now a toothless lion whereas OBL was active and still dangerous. RM was living inside his own country and being protected by that same government. OBL was hiding in Pakistan with the help of part of the people in power. Pakistan is on the verge of being a failed state with whole wild regions controlled by war lords. Serba is stable in the heart of Europe. Perhaps if the Dutch UN soldiers who cowardly gave up the civilians to RM had acted with some courage 8,000 Bosniaks would have lived.
09:38 AM on 06/01/2011
"Pakistan is on the verge of being a failed state with whole wild regions controlled by war lords."

please name one, just one, war lord in Pakistan.
12:55 PM on 06/01/2011
Waliur Rehman Mehsud
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Gerald OHare
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02:54 PM on 06/01/2011
So you never heard of the Tribal areas? You never heard of the Pakistani Taliban? Just who do you think the Pakistan Army was fighting against for the last 5 years? Just who do you think encouraged that suicide bomber to kill Pakistani Police men and cadets just a few days ago?
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05:41 AM on 06/01/2011
Exactly right. Except that ole Ratko was responsible for quite a bit MORE fatalities than OBL. And now he gets to face justice in a civilized way, proving that his captors are well above the likes of him.
12:06 PM on 06/01/2011
But Serbia is at peace and they can arrest this retired general at their leisure. Which they did. The war ended nearly two decades ago.

Lets also no forget that Mladic was a general leading soldiers of a sovereign nation. OBL is a rogue terrorist. If you want to count casualties, then Ike beat them both combined x10.

Be honest enough to admit that this was a really bad comparison.
03:45 AM on 06/01/2011
1"Mladic and bin Laden were responsible for a comparable number of deaths"
--mladic murdered up to 200 000 thousand people
Which makes you comparable to a cret1n

2 "and confronted the old man"
--They arrested him after 16 years of enjoying life in the open in the house of his first cousin, with the same last name - mladic

3"the aggressors were the Bosnian Serbs"
The aggressors were the entire serb national corpus -- bosnian serbs AND the "Yugoslav Peoples Army" - 4th largest in Europe

4"James Baker justified... bla bla bla "
-- You neglected to mention - Warren Christopher in an interview on "McNeil/Lehrer in '92, just before the war nonchalantly stated -- "The parts of Bosnia with serb and Croat majority should be allowed to join serbia and Croatia, respectively." -- Giving serbs the green light for genocide
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07:07 AM on 06/01/2011
1) For Mladic, I was referring specifically to civilian deaths associated with Srebrenica and the shelling of Sarajevo -- which is what he'll be indicted for at ICTY. By the way, the generally accepted death toll from the Bosnia conflict is about 100,000, 65% of which were Bosniaks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6228152.stm). But that includes combatants.
2) Mladic didn't live above ground for 16 years in that house. He was underground for the last decade, moving every couple weeks.
3) you didn't quote the rest of the sentence: "the aggressors were the Bosnian Serbs, backed by the Serbian government of Slobodan Milosevic"
4) Belgrade wasn't looking for a green light from the U.S. -- the conflict began before '92 with the Serb-Croat war and the siege of Vukovar in 1991
12:32 PM on 06/01/2011
1 He will be also indicted for being a part of the "Criminal Enterprise" with aim of ethnically cleansing a piece of land for serbs (read the actual ICTY indictment) and creating "greater serbia", just like the rest of his buddies. Id say that that, and the fact that he was the supreme commander of serb military forces from the start of the war - qualifies him as directly responsible for the murder of all of 200 000.
Yes I will read a BBC report to find out how many people were murdered and how many women and children were raped. Why, tank you for the link o-O
2 Obviously you have no clue what the serbian government knew for the past 16 years. Minister of the Interior of serbia was on the television news shows, repeatedly, for the past 3 - 4 days stating that not only that his whereabouts were known AT ALL times, but that the last hole he hid in (his cousin's house) was his known residence for the past 2 YEARS, and they simply haven't moved to arrest him.
12:32 PM on 06/01/2011
School's out Feffer.
I lived through all of that. There is no way in this World you can teach me anything about that time.
Do the dignified thing and stop trying.
Peace
02:11 AM on 06/01/2011
This was an interesting read. I do not know much about the conflicts in Serbia. I know that they were very important and in the news when I was in elementary school. But I agree that American politicians believe they are superheros. Unfortunately it is not just on foreign policy, but with everything else.

I tend to agree with the argument that we could have captured Osama Bin Ladin in a way that could have been much better perhaps with a trial against the violence he planned.
01:53 AM on 06/01/2011
NONE OF THESE TRIALS WILL EVER BE SHOWN IN ANY OF THE US MEDIA TV STATIONS, BECAUSE THAT GOVERNMENT KNOWS OF ALL THE INTERNATIONAL LAWS THAT IT BROKE, AND DOESN'T WANT ITS OWN PEOPLE FROM SEEING THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE, BUT HARD TO COMPREHEND. WAS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU???
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eden4barack08
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01:08 AM on 06/01/2011
One was once a LEGITIMATE General of a LEGITIMATE country, and fifteen years after his war crimes, posed no imminent threat or uncertainty as to his intentions.
The other one was JUST a terrorist who STILL posed a threat, still plotting, still active and lots of uncertainties.
That you would even attempt a comparison of the two situations and men is absurd.
02:27 AM on 06/01/2011
Well now, hold on. Feffer may "compare" the two. Granted, it's a stretch. He just missed. ;-)
How was he to know that the Seals couldn't drive "O" directly to jail in their rented Yugo's?
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jwmellott
11:53 PM on 05/31/2011
Don't worry about this guy, BHO. You did good. I'd have preferred bin Laden taken alive and tried in an AMERICAN court, but not at the expense of one soldier's life. Part of being the big guy is getting to do the right thing your own way.
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Romeover
Civilization is for weaklings.
05:35 AM on 06/01/2011
The other part of "being the big guy" is getting to do the wrong thing your own way.
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jwmellott
07:06 AM on 06/01/2011
You're right, to be sure. Nor the case here, though.