Why Straight Parents Need to Take a Strong Stand Against Prop 8
A short while after my son was born, my wife brought him into the office to meet my co-workers. My wife was still nursing. My infant son was hungry and my wife was going to breast feed him in my crammed office. Within seconds of learning this, my boss cleared everyone out of the comfortable lounge where we entertain high-profile clients, magically pulled her old nursing pillow out of a nearby closet, and immediately put my wife at ease. I stood in amazement as I watched the scenario unfold. My boss looked at me and said, "Don't just stand there, get her a glass of water." I never forgot the glass of water again and it was the first of many lessons my lesbian boss has taught me about how to be a better father.
There was another time my boss walked in on the nervous phone argument I was having with my wife over whether or not we were going to vaccinate our child. She stopped what she was doing, led me into her office where she promptly whipped out the paper equivalent of the Warren Commission report on pros and cons of childhood vaccinations.
I could list dozens of similar examples of the parental wisdom that has been passed down from my boss. She and her wife are super-moms. You would be hard pressed to find parents who love their kids as much or who are as actively engaged in the well-being and development of children. When my wife and I wrestle with the millions of choices parents wrestle with, we often look to the decisions made by other parents we respect as a guide. Kelly and Linda would be at the top of that list. If there is one thing fatherhood has taught me, it is that good parents help make other parents good. And very often we straight Dads can use all the advice we can get.
For all of my boss' advice, it's witnessing the love she gives her kids that is a constant reminder of what it means to have your priorities in the right place. Her two daughters are in the office all the time. Even with a high-power position, she rarely misses a parent-teacher night or a school auction. Her office has a floor to ceiling cork board with all of her daughters' artwork and photographs. I've been to her house -- like mine, it has been taken over with the kids' toys, save for a tiny office reserved for the parents' stuff. My wife and I and our kids see their family at the Sunday morning farmers market, at a local pancake place, at swim lessons. Save for gender, our lives are virtually the same.
Occasionally, when straight parents get together, the subject of gay marriage or more over, gay parenting, comes up. For those of us who know same gender parents, the reaction is almost unanimous: gays and lesbians tend to make amazing parents. Maybe it's their acute sensitivity. Maybe it's because it is so much harder for gay and lesbians to become parents, so they work at it more. Maybe it's because they know they will face increased scrutiny and opposition as parents. Maybe it's genetics or a worldview, or maybe it's because of the heart-wrenching prospect that the same group behind the Prop 8 measure, if empowered, will some day try to take their children away.
As the Los Angeles Times wrote in its eloquent essay in opposition to Prop 8:
"Supporters of Proposition 8 insist that the measure is in no way intended to diminish the rights of gays and lesbians, but instead means to encourage ideal households for the raising of children."
Underneath the pro Prop 8 argument is a belief that gays and lesbians, simply by virtue of their sexual orientation, make bad parents. If only that were true, then we straight Dads would have it so easy.
I think moderate straight men and women might be able to rationalize, as both the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates have, that the word "marriage" should be exclusively reserved for a man and a woman. While certainly discriminatory, it is an accepted and often widely embraced political mantra. It is easy to conflate Prop 8 with that political talking point. But the fact is the proposition is far more dangerous. This proposition would be the grease to a very, very slippery slope. If successful, Prop 8 will embolden a radical agenda (mostly funded from outside California) which will not only take aim at Adam and Steve, but their children.
For many straight, well-intentioned parents of all political affiliations, Prop 8 may conjure up stereotypical images of carefree gay and lesbian couples running off to City Hall in leather chaps, who could be similarly served by civil unions, and separate but equal laws. Those parents may believe, "You know, marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman." Setting aside the arguments of civil rights, basic fairness and equality, I would ask those parents to think carefully about when those same gender husbands and wives become mothers and fathers. Since children have been the focus of so many of those frightening television ads supporting Prop 8, I ask you, "What about the children?"
At the very least, Prop 8 will create a group of second-class citizens discriminated against by our state constitution. At its absolute worst, manufacturing a defined "difference" between straight and gay relationships will manifest itself in a manufactured difference between straight and gay parents. This prejudiced social construction already manifests itself in several states, where gays and lesbians are not allowed to adopt children; or a same-sex partner does not have the right to adopt their partner's biological child. This goes against the push for nuclear, two-parent households so passionately endorsed by many conservatives and liberals. Leaving children in the murky middle ground of adults' conflicts is simply unconscionable. And so is Prop 8.
God willing, a black man will be our next President. It's time we got up-to-speed with the 21st century on this "gay marriage" issue, as well.
Peace! Love! Happiness! OBAMA!
Gays and lesbians get married all the time, it's just not recognized by the state. Funny how marriage is only sacred when gays and lesbians want to marry.
Gays and lesbians adopt all the time, but custody is usually only by one partner and not both. Funny how many people think it's okay for children to remain warehoused when there are loving homes available. If I were a single heterosexual parent, I would be outraged by the arguments that insult my home.
I think the reason many gay and lesbian households provide excellent homes is because many G/L parents don't take the opportunity for granted and do feel a spotlight. Of course, there are plenty of crummy homes on both sides of the sexuality divide, but my gay and lesbian friends who are raising kids have TONS of support and assistance. I know very few nongay parents who suffer from too many offers to babysit, an avalanche of gifts at every opportunity, and non-stop adoration of their children.
No church in the U. S. is obligated to marry gay couples.. The right that gays are fighting for is the right to have both have a legal civic marriage, and to have the right to be married in any church that will perform the ceremony, like Unitarian churches.
Right now, no one can force a Catholic priest to marry an Anglican, or a Baptist preacher to marry two Mormons, or a Buddhist priest to marry two Jews. Churches have the right to refuse to marry anyone they want. Making marriage for gays legal would not chance that at all.
But right now, in most of the country, even if a pastor wanted to marry two gays who were members of his or her church, the wedding wouldn't be legal. Right now, in most parts of the country, if a gay couple want to have a civil marriage (justice of the peace) they have no right to this.
If your church objects to gay marriages, then don't marry gays! But no church has the right to impose it's views on all Americans.
By the way, I'm always bewildered by the "letting gays marry will destroy traditional marriage" arguments. I always want to ask the good, church-going people who pitch this line, "So....if gay marriage were legal, are you saying that you wouldn' t have married your wife, you would have married another man? Or your wife would have married a woman?"
However, the court relied on a religious comparative to justify the suspect classification that allowed this to happen. Ironic, huh! They also had to create a new rule for suspect classification never used before in civil rights cases, which is that the suspect classification is "for minorities who are unable to use the political process to address their needs." Somehow the gay and lesbian community qualified under this rule. Like the gay and lesbian political effort lacks resources (top fundraising effort in history of America), don't know any attorneys, and are not represented in political circles.
Given the effort to wrestle the law, anything is possible - even requiring ministers to perform gay marriages because the suspect classification is based on sexual orientaion not a suspect classification of religion. Had it been a suspect classification of religion, the schools would not be able to teach the ideology based on separtion of Church and State. Best of both worlds, Any questions? Happy reading.
Before I am called a bigot - remember three judges dissented and, I am to understand, one of these judges is not straight. Until two days ago I'd never been called a conservative or a bigot, which is defined as intolerence of another's creed, belief, or opinion - unless bigotry has been recently
the gays are gonna take over the world and eat our children, and spread their agenda of hate and promiscuity and AIDS across the US and all of us who disagree will be inevitably jailed...or converted into food!
ARRAARGGGGGGH!!!!
YES ON PROP 8! LOL
I am all for equal opportunity of marriage and parenting to gays and lesbians, and will always vote accordingly. Gay people have been parents since the dawn of the human race, with varying results, and with or without the knowledge of the fellow human who co-parents with them. For further insight, please see the first-hand accounts of parenting in mixed-orientation marriages in books such as "The Other Side of the Closet" or in organizations like the Straight Spouse Network.
On a side note: I assure you that my gay husband never once brought me a glass of water when I breastfed any of our children. Nor did I feel that he had any "amazing" parenting skills or "acute sensitivity" (except to his own needs, I suppose). He struggled and made mistakes, like every other parent. There is a wide range of normal. My kids turned out fine, whatever their parents were or weren't.
HUH??
Pardon?... * blink * blink *
Many people in a mixed-orientation marriage are unaware of their spouse's orientation before the wedding. This may seem strange, but in situations such as fundamentalist religious families there are good reasons why some gay people deny their orientation to their families, their spouses and themselves. It is a tragedy, as the sorrow of falseness can ruin lives.
Carrie Fisher discussed co-parenting with a gay man on NPR, Dina McGreevey, the former Gov. of NJ's wife spoke out, and Honor Moore, the eldest of 9 children of the Episcopal Archbishop of New York, wrote a New Yorker article about her father's gay life, including a 30-year relationship with a man.
No one should be surprised that gay folks can physically parent children, and have been doing it forever They can also parent very well emotionally and morally. But this article tries to say that gay parents are in some ways superior; it's a false syllogism that leads to 'reverse bigotry.' They should be accepted as any other parents -- as Good Enough, struggling with the usual issues, and a few others thrown in by those who judge.
I wouldn't trade my marriage with a gay man; it resulted in 3 spectacular children. I wish their dad would come out -- he would see the acceptance and love that self-actualization brings. We are all okay with it, we just wish he could be.
--Samuel L. Jackson
We donated to "No on 8."
http://www.noonprop8.com/
Although we are not L, B, or GT, we know that discrimination based on race, creed, religion or se.xu.al orientation is wrong.
Why is it so easy for most of us LGBT folks to get it that "none of us are free until all of us are free"...yet I have read that the largest block of voters in favor of Prop 8 are African Americans and Latinos. This pains me greatly.
We got out of our car and walked up to the people with the megaphone and just said..."too late....we are going to teach love not hate like you....Too bad you can not lead by example"
Do I want my child to grow up in a world that puts people in categories? NO!
We are all humans and whom does it hurt if a gay couple decides to marry? NO ONE!
What does gay marriages take away from straight marriages??? NOTHING.
What bothers me is the propaganda style of those that oppose this bill, with their racist, sexist hate message!!!
I see more hate among the straight couples than gay couples...why is that??? Why are they (straight people and couples) so threatened by this???? As always, they say it in the name of God, I'm pretty sure that God loves everyone. Even those paralyzed from the neck up.
Stop using God as an excuse for those that just HATE, because God is about Love. People forget, he/she created all of us in his/her image..NUFF SAID!
It's of some notice that arguments regarding this proposition rarely, if ever, take the lives of these children into account. It's unfortunate so many are led by fear, rather than love, especially when claiming religion as grounds for which they argue.
The cost, should Prop 8 pass, is greater than most realize. Unnecessary litigation, redtape, loss of potential revenue to CA business and, more importantly, the inequality to families already with children and those seeking families in the most legitimate way possible.
It seems you've taken the opportunity to provide your boss the kind of support she has provided you, which, as you explained, was more by example than advice. High compliment if ever there were one.
Reminds me of what Jennifer Beals says. Basically, look straight people, gays aren't bad once you get to know them. Live, work, and even possibly serve among them. See them on a day-to-day basis, rather than reducing them to politics. I consistenly arrive at this conclusion: The political is personal.
Thank you!
A marriage license does not involve children.
A marriage license is not required to have children, for that all you need is a six pack of beer and the back seat of mom and dads car.
With over 6 billion people and climbing, water issues, food issues, land issues, and with just plain bad attitudes of people for one another, wars, genocide, etc. etc.
I as a gay man see NO need for me to partake in creating a child. I refuse to endanger, or expose any child of mine to such a place as this. I realize that is MY own opinion, but it is THE ONLY ONE that counts toward MY right to whether I father any child.
No one can LEGALLY make me father a child against my will.
I do not dislike children, I do not dislike or deny Your right to have as many as you desire. I just think it would be better if you who do have your children would be more thoughtful about it than "because I have the equipment, then I must breed". That thinking just cheapens and dishonors the gift, and the responsibility, of having a child.
I wish that I could, I would be a great parent, of that I am sure. But not under these conditions.