Barack Obama isn't the only presidential contender with a prominent bigot among his supporters. John McCain accepted the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee, who regularly attacks the Catholic Church as "the great whore of Revelation," a "false cult system," and "the anti-Christ." McCain deflected concern about Hagee's bigotry simply by saying he does not endorse all the opinions of people who back him. "He says he has never been anti-Catholic," McCain added, "but I repudiate the words that create that impression."

Like the hatred spewed by Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright, Hagee's diatribes are available on videotape, but the mainstream media has barely reacted. The likely reason: reporters, editors and intellectuals aren't much interested in attacks on Catholics. Minorities, women and gays are eligible for sensitive concern. Catholics aren't.

Consider some recent provocations, mostly publicity-free. Comedian Bill Maher said Catholics are schizophrenic for believing that in communion they are "drinking the blood of a 2000-year-old space god." A skit on Utah public radio said Mike Huckabee's family likes "deep-fried body of Christ -- boring holy wafers no more... Mike likes to top his Christ with whipped cream and sprinkles." In Jerry Springer: the Opera, which played for two nights at Carnegie Hall in January, Jesus is an effeminate gay-like character who walks around in a diaper and is hailed as a "hypocrite son of the fascist tyrant on high." The Virgin Mary is introduced as a woman "raped by an angel," and Eve fondles Jesus' genitals.

Bearded guys dressed as nuns are regular feature in gay parades, sometimes accompanied by a swishy Jesus. In painting and sculpture the bashing of Christian symbols is so mainstream that it 's barely noticed. Attacks on the Virgin Mary include Mary coming out of a vagina, Mary encased in a condom, Mary pierced with a phallic pipe, Mary as a bare-breasted Jesus figure presiding at the Last Supper and an Annunciation scene with the Archangel Gabriel giving Mary a coat hanger for an abortion.

Jesus on the cross can be wrought in chocolate ("My Sweet Lord"), as a homosexual sex scene, or on the cover of the New Yorker as the Easter Bunny. Advertisers and movie-makers feel free to mock Catholics too. An ad for Equinox fitness clubs featured young women dressed as nuns sketching a naked man while staring at his crotch. Elizabeth: the Golden Age took many swipes at Catholicism. Writing in the Newark Star-Ledger, critic Stephen Witty wrote that the film "equates Catholicism with some sort of horror-movie cult, with scary close-ups of chanting monk and glinting crucifixes. There's even a murderous Jesuit...a second cousin to poor pale Silas from the Da Vinci Code."

Off-Broadway has produced many plays about corrupt cardinals and stupid nuns. In most cases these are not real plays, just political screeds by angry gays and feminists lashing out at the church over abortion or gay rights The anti-Catholic play almost writes itself. Just have a gay Jesus or a lesbian Mary have sex with a pope, Judas, or a farm animal, and contract a venereal disease or go to work in an abortion clinic. Nobody in the art world will object. Instead there will be lots of talk about artistic freedom.

The establishment in this country needs to do a bit more thinking about civility and transgression. Believers can expect open and honest argument about their doctrines and social teachings, and frank criticism about poor behavior. But it is not civil or honest to attack a religion by trying to degrade its symbols. The word for this is propaganda.

John Leo is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and editor of the Institute's web site on universities, Minding the Campus.


 

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Perhaps this is what our founding fathers had in mind with the separation of church and state not keeping the 10 commandments and prayer out of schools where it is desperately needed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 03/25/2008

Sen. McCain has gotten a pass on his aassociation with Rev. Hagee because he was a prisioner of war and also, the republicans are tolerant of such hatred being spewed within their party.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 03/23/2008

As a non-Catholic, I used to say I thank God for the Catholics, for nobody else could be spoken of like Catholics without a furor. Simply ask if Maher or Goldberg had said what they did about Jews, or Blacks, or Gays - all who appear to be quite active in politics - and one need only imagine the outcry (there"s too much cowardice in the West to imagine it being aimed at Islam). Of course, some of these examples are more than just Catholic, but Christian in general. Others are aimed like lasers at the Catholic Church. But the idea that Catholicism should be treated with such hatred and contempt, merely because it speaks to political issues, has to be one of the worst excuses ever given. The day we excuse hatred toward anyone, is the day we cast our lots with those who helped put down the foundations for hatred against other groups in history. Bravo for HP for posting this, and well said Mr. Leo. Happy Easter to all for whom it applies, and a safe and enjoyable weekend to those for whom it doesn"t.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/23/2008

Jews, Blacks, Gays, are also charicatured by many comedians. The distinction that I see is that none of those groups ever oppressed complete societies the way Catholics and other religions have. You seem to forget, when writing such as you have here, that this nation came into being partly, only partly, out of the need to escape religious persecution -- not in the sense that a secular government was persecuting religious entities, but rather that religious entities were persecuting each other, as well as non-religious members of society.

This is part of the "free pass" to which I referred in your and my other discussion on this matter. Religion has largely been off-limits for discussion regarding its reasonableness -- discussion of such matters being considered politically incorrect, or rude, or disrespectful, etc. But the problem with that is that it has been one-sided, and religion has been allowed to infect public political discourse to the point of lowering it to a ridiculously stupid level.

Yes, Catholicism should be kept out of government, as should all religious dogma. The Catholic Church has earned its bad reputation through its historical bloody oppression of free thinkers and entire societies.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 03/23/2008

A much to broad and shallow interpretation of history. And anyone may question religion, or its teachings, or anything. That's fair game. But the contempt, bitterness, and yes, hatred leveled at Religion in general, Christianity in particular, and especially Catholicism, is past the mark. You don't validate hatred today by anything in the past, for all groups and ideologies have their skeletons in the closet. I see no need to lay the foundation stone for tomorrow's atrocities.

As for the idea that Gays or Blacks or Jews in any way are slammed the way Catholicism is, perhaps in Europe c. 1900. But not today. And it was wrong then, and it is wrong today. When people try to validate a wrong they have gone far in taking part in the long, sad history of humanity that every culture, belief, civilization, race, and creed has been party to.

And Catholicism has as much right to speak to politics as anything. The liberalism of yesterday is indeed a dead belief when those who carry its banners speak in terms that even McCarthy would never have imagined. But perhaps its ideals were simply too lofty. For ultimately, all cultures eventually try to divide up between those with stars on their bellies and those without. And many who never grace a church door today believe, apparently, it is due to that glaring star smack in the center of their bellies

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 03/23/2008

First, I must say that my interpretation of history is definitely broader, but less shallow than your own in this discussion. Less broad and more shallow does not make your interpretation better, but less valid.

You say, "You don't validate hatred today by anything in the past..."

I don't validate hatred, and at least you and I are in agreement on that point (and perhaps on others not known to us). However, there is truth in the addage that you reap what you sow, which would seem to indicate that past actions do lead to current dispositions, and anyone who is honest must confess that religion has sown more than its fair share of hatred, and all the while proclaiming itself (whichever brand you choose) righteous in doing so. It is through this hypocrisy that religion lends itself to being disdained.

And I don't recognize that Catholics hold any special status as a hated group. Perhaps Catholics believe they do, but then they are only seeing things from the perspective of a Catholic feeling persecuted. Perhaps the fact that the Catholic Church was the first "Christian" church has some bearing on this matter, also, as they have had more time, and more political influence throughout history to accrue offenses worthy of contempt.

As for your contention that the Catholic Church should be involved in politics, you are advocating something that does not hold up under scrutiny if one is adhering to the values of our constitution. The Catholic Church has always been an almost purely political orgainization masquerading as a spiritual guide, as have most organized religions, and again, it is through this hypocrisy that religion finds itself the target of ridicule and disdain from thinking people who prefer to find their own way rather than blindly trusting an orgainization that has been consistently wrong about so many things throughout its existence.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 03/23/2008

By the by, I have no problem with honest and forthright critiques of the Catholic Church. After all, the Church itself has been honest about its past failings and sins. Nor do I mind the occasional jab done in humor. If more folks could learn to laugh a little at themselves that would be nice. But the disrespect and disregard for what people cherish deep in their hearts, the flagrant stereotyping done in many portrayals today that reminds one of how Blacks or Jews were portrayed in the early days of cinema - that"s beyond the mark. And I will not back down, for we know where such dismal portrayals of the past led, and I won"t be party to tomorrow"s horrors any more than I dismiss the roots of yesterday"s horrors.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 03/24/2008

Again, you look at history through one set of lenses. Fair enough. And you are right, the Catholic Church is 2000 years old. It has had near to 2 billion members. If only 1% of those turned out to be rotten to the core (and what demographic group could claim a paltry 1% bad apple ratio?), then that is still millions of bad people doing bad things. Of course a lot of good came from that period (the notion that our ideas of equality and freedom came out of the West despite the Christian influence as opposed to because is largely secular agitprop). But criticism of the Church, its ideas, its beliefs, and its actions is appropriate. Of course, all groups should also be open to such scrutiny.
And no, your idea of the constitution is popular, but wrong. The constitution meant that the congress can not establish state church, or interfere with religious life. The idea that the constitution says religion should be barred from all political influence is, at the end of the day, a recent addition, again from more secular forces.
But at the end, I reject all attempts to validate any contempt, hatred, vitriol, or anything similar aimed at Catholics, Christians, Jews, Gays, Blacks, Muslims, Delivery Truck Drivers, or anything else. The moment - the moment - I begin to validate it aimed at anyone, I take that first step toward the terrors we witnessed not too many decades ago.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 03/24/2008

I'm getting the impression that we are not as far apart in our views as it first seemed we might be. I am largely attacking RELIGION, while you are addressing HATRED. The opposite ends of the spectrum from which we speak is that you seem to see religion as a force for good, as something beneficial, advantageous, or positive. I see it as a malevolent force that perpetuates backwardness inpeding societies, as well as humanity, from progress towards a more unified view.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 03/24/2008

I just want to make it known that more than half of the above post somehow got chopped -- never made it online. That happened to several of my posts that day...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 03/25/2008

For a very good example of real Catholic bashing, read the life of Father Issac Jogues, Jesuit priest and saint and martyr.

He had his finger chewed off. Not bitten off, chewed off. Still he went back to his mission on a second go round and wound up with an ax in his skull.

I know it doesn't match a naked chocolate Jesus, and it was the nudity that was the real problem, even though all we hear about was the chocolate.

Can we get real here? Read the Bible about Sodom, starting with the war they fought and lost. Sort of a 9/11 plus. Read Ezekiel 16 and Isaiah 1 about the sin of Sodom and you'll realize we're out doing them in arrogance and economically and duplicating them in dealing with the stranger in our midst, a la Genesis. When will God check out the cry coming up from our land?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 03/23/2008

To quote Bill O'Reily, "I'm not buying it."
The main thing is that there is nothing visibly Catholic about most of the examples you give. The items being ridiculed are Christian, pure and simple; even a Muslim could take offense at the mocking of Jesus and Mary.
Second, much of the "Catholic-bashing" we've seen from the liberal side is from lapsed Catholics (e.g., the elephant-turd Mary of Brooklyn Museum vs. Rudy Giuliani fame) who are expressing their conflicted feelings about the faith they were raised in. (Bill Maher is half-Catholic.) Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a way of sheltering this internal conflict to the confines of the Catholic world.
On the other hand, the Left should bare in mind that Catholic-bashing has been part of the "progressive" spirit, from Cromwell on to the present day. Perhaps the next time a liberal non-Catholic is ready to make a crack about the Church or its hierarchy, s/he should pause and reconsider.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 03/23/2008

I generally think that peoples religions should be treated with the greatest of deference, but the general rule still applies you can swing your arm all you want until you hit me. The Catholic church has introduced itself into the politics both on the local level and the national level.

It has taken morally indefensible positions such as opposing condoms in countries were women have no ability to deny sex to their husband or other powerful people.

It has cheapened the institution of marriage by turning a beautiful gift from God into hateful means of excluding people from basic necessities such as health insurance.

Because the Catholic church has used as its justification for these actions their belief in special moral authority based on the bible and certain symbols they put those things into play. Because the Catholic church is asking people to commit suicide because of these symbols by not using condoms we must be able to mercilessly be able to attack these symbols and ridicule them.

I oppose such things as interrupting someone in the practice of their religion, or trying to bother with them on the way to church. But I think that such things as gay people dressing up as nuns is certainly very appropriate.

I am troubled by the difference in the treatment of Catholics and Muslims. I do think I have more tendency to show deference to the Muslim religion than the Catholic religion. I think this arrises out the fact that Catholicism is seen as much more a part of our own culture, familiarity may breed contempt.

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/23/2008

BTW -

Jesus wasn't catholic.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 03/22/2008

The popular anti-religionists and anti-clerics neglect, always, to mention that the Catholic church on a worldwide basis operates more hospitals, more universities, feeds more hungry people, shelters more poor, and cares for more needy, than any other human institution. Perhaps that is because historically, the Church is the first Global institution, it did in fact invent Globalization, and we've had offices in every country in the world for about 500 years. We had Francis Xavier in Japan 300 years before Thomas Jefferson took the oath of office. Just maybe, the miracle of Catholicism is that it's not just another human institution, that it is in fact the original corporation established by Jesus Christ himself to carry out his work, God's work.

Of course, they will say that the evil done by a hundred bad men, blots out the accomplishments of millions, this is their proof, their indictment, in full. Is that rational? Isn't that their big thing, rationality? And God bless the nuns, they are the Greatest!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 03/22/2008

They won't even allow the women of Africa condoms. Your Church creates poverty and immense suffering.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/23/2008

Personally, I think the Vatican is the Seat of Satan.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 03/22/2008

Continue bashing the Catholic church, it wont mean a thing. When half the world is under one religion you're bound to have a few bad seeds. Catholic bashing (or any bashing for that matter) doesnt do anything because we wont change our minds and you wont change yours.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 03/22/2008

"...Minorities, women and gays are eligible for sensitive concern. Catholics aren't."

You think maybe that's because minorities, women and gays are being systematically oppressed, whereas the Catholic Church has been a world - wide empire for two millennia? Maybe?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 03/22/2008

Oh come on, John, if the media were really as anti-Catholic as you'd like to believe, they would have made a lot more fuss over Rudy Giuliani's buddy the accused child-molester and child-molester-enabler.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/22/placa/

The major difference between Hagee and Wright is that Hagee is the buddy of a Republican.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 03/22/2008

What is even more curious was the reluctance of U.S. media to publish the infamous Danish cartoons of Mohammed. They can't print those, but they can publish pictures of "Piss Christ" and the kinds of things you referred to. As an agnostic libertarian-conservative, I'm all for free speech, but you have to wonder at the double standards (or is it just plain old simple cowardice) displayed by our major news media.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 03/22/2008

So, just what is it that you expect? Do you wish you had the privilege of invoking your religion as support for your opinions on political, social, and cultural affairs, while somehow having your religion itself remain immune from comment? That's not going to happen, and it shouldn't.

I was raised Catholic, and while I haven't been a church-goer for years, there is still a lot in the Catholic cultural tradition that I value and respect. There's also a lot that I object to. And if you're going to bring your religion to bear in the public sphere, it will be subjected to criticism, some of it thoughtful and respectful, some of it satirical, and some of it mean-spirited. That's life: no one's views enjoy the protection and privilege that you seem to be implying that yours should.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 03/22/2008

Since I'm a former RC-I find that I must avoid engaging in unrelenting bigotry against the Roman Catholic church. We former RC's are among the most avid critics of the RC church. We didn't invent bigotry but a number of us plumb the depths of bigotry against RC's & their church & we are among those who establish new nadirs of bigotry weekly. We have learned to distrust the RC church from our personal experiences with the RC chuch. We have more that adequate reason for distrusting the RC church. But constantly inflicting our complaints against the RC church on others bores most non-Catholics; we former RC's often persist in beating a dead horse till the buzzards drive us away from the rotten body of the RC church. Like it or not the RC church & Christianity are here to stay. Our laundry list or litany of complaints is of little interest to non-Catholics. That is life.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/22/2008

no, it's not bigotry for former RC's to criticize the church that failed them. But Leo and Donahue think that anyone who's been baptized must agree to be under the thumb of the clergy or be considered racist.

True, it's better than being thrown in prison or enslaved or buggered, but we live in a civilized country here.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 03/22/2008

I do accept legitment and serious critizism of the Roman Catholic Church as to their history and on their dealings with preists who commited sexual assult upon children. I have no problem with honest humor of some of the elements of RC belief and life. I do have a problem with bitter and hateful comments like those or Rev. Haggee and of some of the examples of anti-catholic comments and 'humor' given in the article. If such hateful comments and depictions were made toward Jews or Muslims, then we would see substantual reaction by the media or faith leaders or by the public, yet when directed toward RC's, we see far less reactions. I do believe that RC's and others of faith must speak out against hateful speech as to RC's as well as to any other faith.
McCain continuing to accept Rev. Hagee risks the loss of many conservative Catholics and of many Hispanics. A very high percentage of voters are Roman Catholic, much higher than Jews or Muslims about the same numbers as moderate Christians. It is the kinkd of thing that will come back to haunt him much worse than Rev. Wright's comments as to Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 03/22/2008

Exorcism.

Do you really want to pick this fight?

Exorcism? The driving of evil spirits from a body, usually a young, sexy, almost 18 year-old, dressed in white who vomits green and has an amazing spinal column? A practice that is GAINING momentum in Europe?

You're a hack. A silly, silly hack.

Exorcism. Your religion hurts and kills people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 03/22/2008

What a disgrace to see how the Catholic Church is constantly being bashed. It's time for Catholics to stand up and rebel against this kind of garbage sent out to us.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/22/2008

John Leo has spent years rightfully attacking political correctness, which means pretty much everything he is supporting in the blog. "Anti-Catholicism" is the bigotry that says "All Catholics are evil", which clearly isn't true. However, to attack Catholic theology in a principled way, or to sell chocolate Jesuses, or make art using religious symbols in a "unauthorized way" is NOT that kind of anti-catholicism.

Leo, and the morons at the so-called "Catholic League" are in fact NOT fighting people who hate Catholics, they are fighting Lapsed Catholics and other Christians who don't agree with everything the Catechism teaches, or worse, don't WORSHIP the Pope.

If he can prove scientifically that a schitzophrenic god with multiple personality disorder sent part of itself to earth in order to pay for the sins of humanity (to WHO, might this payment in blood go?) I might be see that Mr. Leo has a point.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 03/22/2008

The amount of historical illiteracy present in so many of the posts regarding: Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is illustrative of the general ignorance of history and culture which characterizes the American public as a whole.
Regarding the Catholic Church, we are told that it is evil to the core, never having achieved anything of value in a cultural, aesthetic, academic, or scientific sense, etc. ad nauseam. This is simply historical ignorance bordering on imbecility.
Sure, I'll stipulate: there have been a lot of bad Catholics, and many bad prelates. There have also been a lot of bad atheists, secularists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and Jews-oh, and yes, there were and are bad "indigenist" Shamans, animists, nature worshipers, etc. Most murderous regimes in modern history? The neo-pagan Nazi Third Reich, and the Atheistic USSR and Maoist China; along with the animist/Shintoist empire of Japan; I don't recall Pol Pot being a devout religionist of any stripe. The Spanish Inquisition had somewhere in the neighborhood of [liberal estimate] 10,000 victims over the course of several centuries, which led the great Solzehnitsyn to remark that that would have been about an average days worth of victim during Stalin's purges. Not to mention about What about Galileo? What about Lavoisier, killed by the secular French revolution, which, "has no need of chemists"? Evil is not particular to this or that institution or religion.
Ridiculing Catholicism is the contemporaneous socially acceptable American faux intellectual pastime, since similar previous pastimes, such as when blacks were caricatured as "step and fetch its"; and when the only good "Indian" was a dead Indian-have fallen into desuetude due to the righteous and justified indignation of their victims.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/22/2008

I'll continue to ridicule Catholicism as long as nasty men like Scalia, Kennedy Bob Casey, Alito and Roberts hold power over my life and the lives of my daughters and granddaughters.

If folks like you and the writer of this poorly reasoned and repulsively dishonest essay think that Catholic bashing is bad now you aren't going to enjoy what happens at all when those fine examples of Catholic manhood try to force their misogynistic and cruel notions of 'morality' down our collective throats. Meanwhile y'all should probably man up and stop whining and feeling sorry for yourselves. The enabled pedophiles, the pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for contraceptives, the bombed building, the rather selective definitions of 'life' . How repulsive it is to watch men like Scalia, Pat Buchanan and Cardinal Law justify their obvious failings and actually demand respect. There is NOTHING to respect .

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 03/23/2008

You mean, then, that you will uphold such treatment as long as people *gasp* disagree with you. Hmmmm. Doesn't look like the 20th century taught us anything. But then, when did history ever teach us anything?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 03/23/2008

Catholics whining that they are being unfairly criticized by gays and women is like, I don't know, the USA whimpering about the threat of Saddam Hussein, or that Hugo Chavez is mocking GWB.

It's just unseemly, and it makes one wonder what their real agenda is.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 03/22/2008

Crack a history book babe. Religion breeds ignorance and hate.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 03/22/2008

Actually, ignorance and hate do quite well without religion. Arrogance, greed, intolerance - these are the culprits. One need only look at the least religiously directed century in history - the 20th century - to see that. Atheism is no better or worse than religion, it's the people in it that cause the trouble. Or, if I may: It's not religion that kills people, it"s people that kill people...babe.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 03/23/2008