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Think the Problems in Europe Are Over? Think Again

Posted: 02/21/2012 8:35 am

Greece reports that it has secured a second major bailout of $172 billion in an attempt to save it from bankruptcy. This is in addition to an original bailout of $146 billion Greece received in May 2010. In addition, it is estimated that Greece may need another $66 billion between 2015 and 2020 to achieve a debt to GDP ratio of 120% by 2020, still excessive by any measure of financial well being.

This totals $384 billion in planned bailouts to Greece, a relatively small economy compared to others in trouble in Europe. Greece's entire GDP is only $312 billion which puts the magnitude of this total aid package in perspective. And there is no guarantee that more monies won't be called for because nobody can predict how Greece's economy might contract given all the austerity measures it has to implement as a condition of these bailouts.

But Greece is not Europe's only problem. Every major country in Europe is highly leveraged with the exceptions of Sweden and Norway. And, Portugal, and much larger Spain and Italy have exceptionally large debt levels and very weak economies.

The Europeans are ready to announce that they are planning to fund a new European Stability Mechanism with approximately $660 billion to avert any other crises like Greece. In effect, they are taking a page from Hank Paulson's book who claimed that if you had a big enough bazooka, you probably would never have to use it. But, the European bazooka looks more like a pop-gun when you look at the magnitude of the potential problems there.

Here are the outstanding public debt amounts for Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy and what percent of GDP they represent:

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It is unlikely that the bailouts of these countries will cost as much as Greece as a percent of their outstanding debt, but if bailouts equal to just 50% of these countries' debts were required, here is the magnitude of aid we are talking about.

Possible Required Bailout Amount (50% of Current Debt):

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That's right, $2 trillion just to bail out these three troubled economies. This is much larger than the newly constructed European bazooka of $660 billion and is large enough to bankrupt nearly every major bank in Europe if they had to face these amounts of write-downs on their European country and bank debt investments. And this says nothing about the support that might be needed by the eastern bloc countries or by countries that are heavily into banking like Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK. I don't mention France and Germany only because if the contagion reaches them the game is surely over.

The idea that governments can save countries and large major global banks from defaulting is a farce. It is nothing more than saving bank and country creditors by having taxpayers pick up the cost of their investing mistakes. The world has too much debt in it, on its governments, in its banks and on its people. If we don't begin a worldwide program of debt restructuring we guarantee that these debts will continue to strangle any global economic recovery.

Banks need to be restructured with much less debt and more equity capital so bank executives and bank shareholders have some skin in the game and are motivated to take less risk. Forget giving managements options for free; make them invest some of their cash in their company's stock so they begin to act like true shareholders and not just free riders. Countries need to be restructured to reduce their debt balances, but not until they agree to hard and fast borrowing limits. And homeowners, underwater on their mortgages, have to be given real alternatives to either reduce their debts or to rent their homes rather than own them or to allow them to default without enormous penalties and loss of their credit ratings.

Yes, if we reduce the amount of debt in the world, those holding that debt will appear poorer. Wealthy individual investors, pension funds, banks and insurance companies will all take a hit. But, I would argue, they have already lost that money. It isn't going to be repaid. They just refuse to admit it by not marking their investments down to true value. In so doing, they continue this ruse of keeping too much debt on the world that ends up having a very real impact on our future growth and prosperity.

John R. Talbott, previously a Goldman Sachs investment banker, is a best selling author and economic consultant to families whose books predicted the economic crisis. You can read more about his books, the accuracy of his predictions and his financial consulting activities at www.stopthelying.com

 
 
 
 
 
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NJP1
09:05 AM on 02/22/2012
This is’nt a European problem, it’s a world problem. European bailouts are paid with money, when the real constraint is energy cost, this is why the problem won’t go away..
But the greatest problem of all is convincing economists that the wealth of the world (including cheap food) is not derived from the circulation of money, it is derived from the input of primary energy, namely cheap oil coal and gas.
And there are no alternatives.
We’ve spent the last 250 years pumping hydrocarbon fuel into our economic system, congratulating ourselves on our business acumen and technical wizardry as we drew out the financial benefits of it. Not many have dared to point out that to keep such a system going, (ie to pay wages through industrial employment), you have to keep feeding in cheap primary energy. Without it, the system collapses.
Does that sound familiar?
It should, because that’s how Ponzi schemes work, and that’s what we’ve all bought into. Global ‘wealth’ is a delusion, and as energy supplies get tighter (oil price has quadrupled in 10 years) the energy input problem of Europe (and USA) is rocking the pyramid. We built that economy pyramid on cheap energy, now we only have expensive energy so jobs are vanishing and the financial system is collapsing. We are facing a very unpleasant future, and we will not be able to buy our way out of it. http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/
08:17 AM on 02/22/2012
The post is fundamentally wrong, because it ignores the contributions of the other member states of the Euro Zone. In comparison to the anglo saxon countries (US and UK), the Euro Zone has:
A lower debt to GDP ratio;
A positive (as opposed to negative) current account balance;
A positive (as opposed to negative) trade balance; and
A more nearly balanced budget.
Why does the US business and financial community continue to wave red flags about the rest of the world? Because they profit from it.
08:02 AM on 02/22/2012
In doing his arithmetic, Mr. Talbott conveniently omits the data for the other countries that comprise the Euro zone. In comparison to the US, the Euro zone has:
a lower debt to GDP ratio
a current accounts surplus (as compared to a deficit)
a net positive foreign trade balance (as opposed to a deficit)
The US financial community is increasingly desperate to maintain the illusion that other countries have problems that make ours pale by comparison, because it serves their short term interests.
This is not to say that there are no problems in the Euro zone. Curiously, of the leaders there, only one - Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister - has spoken of one of the key reasons for Greece's problem: the broken tax system. The rich in Greece largely evade taxes, and the tax system is incapable of enforcing the law. This is juxtaposed to the US, where the rich have simply fixed the system so they can legally avoid paying their taxes. We in the US focus on legality instead of justice.
07:56 AM on 02/22/2012
I hope Europe understand the US will not be saving their collective asses this time around. America is not protecting Europe from the boogie men any more, we are using the money to build a national health care system instead. We took a page from their play book.
HopeWFaith
We the People
07:18 AM on 02/22/2012
Its only just begun, and wealthy hedge funds will likely be gambling on all the rest of these countries going down the same path. Watch out, United States. Hold on to your logic, cause the investment bunnies will be swarming your path, enticing you with all kinds of supposed goodies. Don't get caught up in this new gamble.
08:08 AM on 02/22/2012
Here is how it works: the rating agencies lower ratings on debt, and as a result the interest rates go up. This benefits the bond holders because they earn more on their investments. The larger ones also take out credit default swaps so if the country defaults, they still get their investment back. That is, they have no risk. At the same time, raising the interest rate increases the burden on the issuing country, which makes default more likely, leading to a lower rating, and so on.
This is what we call a positive feedback loop, and as any electrical engineer or physicist who is worth their salt can tell you, positive feedback loops are unstable.
The way to fix this is to decouple the ratings agencies from the investment firms, and outlaw credit default swaps. Fat chance that will happen.
07:03 AM on 02/22/2012
Man, I am happy Obama will be increasing our debt beyond its current $15 trillion!
06:03 AM on 02/22/2012
These indebted countries really have to learn to live below their means and not expect France and Germany to bail them out.

Hopefully the US will learn from the debt crisis of these countries and not follow them. I hope its not too late for us.
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02:22 AM on 02/22/2012
Wow. Locked into a system that no-one can admit is going wrong.

Quick review: Why is there a European Union, again?
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NJP1
06:59 AM on 02/22/2012
the original idea was to stop us fighting each other over over resources, now we've er--run out of resources again
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
11:56 PM on 02/21/2012
Never get caught looking bad !

Compound Interest takes 2nd place.

Never write off a loss, you might get fired !
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Bayard Waterbury
social philosopher
11:36 PM on 02/21/2012
There are two major factors that will play into the final tune that the world economy is dancing to. The first is leverage, that is the debt to asset ratios of banks and governments. Banks make money on the investment of assets. The amounts they can make are directly related to how much they leverage those assets. Our present international banking system is outrageously leveraged. Sadly, so are many of the largest nations, with the largest most leveraged banks. What this means is that there is less and less trying to do more and more. Until a true and thorough deleveraging takes place (called restructuring in this article), nothing can happen productively. Economically in recessive economies, leverage is growth killing, as resources are consumed in survival and can't be invested in growth. Sadly, Mr. Talbott seems to see things the way that I do, which is that believing that the current European "slush" fund is adequate is simply ignoring reality. It is dreaming and refusing to come to terms with reality, something which has now gone on for many years and critically become worse since the current "depression" (called recession) began.
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
10:21 PM on 02/21/2012
Since the Global Economy is completely interlaced and interdependent, I view what is currently occurring as the European Phase of the crisis. Still on deck is the Asian Phase, led by a downturn in China. The Asian Phase will lead to the American Phase Part Duex. The foundation of this problem is the misinterpretation of a global economic model of distributed, and compartmentalized risk. The erroneous assumption that risk had been mitigated, coupled with the foolhardy deregulation of the Financial Sector in the US, that came to a head at the end of the Clinton Administration with the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the "Black Boxing" of Hedge Funds, along with the acquiescence of Finance Ministers across the globe in accepting the redefined, post-risk economic model, has led us to a point where all economic interventions performed at upper official levels are merely gimmicks to postpone the ultimate global capitulation that must occur when there is so much fabricated wealth saturating the global economy.

When a couple of months back it came to light that TBTF Banks were in a process of migrating their massive derivatives holdings from their investment banks to FDIC backed accounts in their Commercial Banks to ameliorate concerns of counter parties, in an act of financial alchemy, transmuting the lead of notional derivative value to the gold of hard, insurance backed assets, knew we were through the looking glass.

In terms of Europe, and its troubles, we are only seeing delaying actions applied, not resolution.
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wilhug
10:20 PM on 02/21/2012
The same thing will happen in our dear country if we don't stop the deficit spending, cut welfare, cut taxes, and let the free enterprise systems percolate again. Socialism is a cancer that produces its own growth cells until it kills the carrier.
01:52 AM on 02/22/2012
Tell that to the Chinese.
03:30 AM on 02/22/2012
All current successful systems are a mixture of capitalist and social politics: Germany, China, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, etc.

The USA have failed because they never have cared for a broad structure that would benefit all citizens. We are watching now from abroad how they are still stuck in old clichees of left and right, socialist and capitalist, conservative and progressive. All these labels don't work in societies that have developed as mentioned above.
08:13 AM on 02/22/2012
Some will learn nothing from crises, and cling to ideological beliefs despite factual evidence. Part of the reason for Greece's problem is a manifestly unjust tax system, with the vast majority of the rich - including most in government - paying essentially no taxes. Similarly, most of the large companies in Greece pay no taxes. If your hypothesis were correct, Greece would be very prosperous. Always the right wing wants something for nothing, that all the burden should be on the working classes.
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Bubblessharky
Where sanity dares to tread
08:57 PM on 02/21/2012
We are all going to have to face the fact that the concept we know as 'money' is about to end. Why you ask? Because it is worthless. There is now so much more debt than value of assets that the whole system is broken. Purely driven by the ability of the likes of Wall Street to leverage derivatives off other derivatives and creating a bubble of so called wealth and debt.

All we will be left with in the new economic world will be what another person is prepared to barter in exchange for goods, food and services without running into debt.
06:40 AM on 02/22/2012
agreed. The only money worth anything is that which is used to purchase necessities, because its immediate and buys real survival value. The rest is a number on a piece of paper in a windstorm that'll howl for decades.
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
08:30 PM on 02/21/2012
I love our friends on the right who come to boards like this one and scream about "socialism," as though they had any idea what that thing might look like!

Take a look at how your republican led government bailed out wall street, boys!

That is the very definition of Socialism.

Read it. Learn it. Own it!
08:42 PM on 02/21/2012
"Take a look at how your republican led government bailed out wall street"

Define Republican led government?

Democrats held the House and Senate and a lot more Democrats including the President supported the bailout.
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
11:06 PM on 02/21/2012
ONly after Paulson LITERALLY held a gun to their heads in the form of the threat of martial law and a stock market melt down of 75%.

Go back and Watch Congressman Sherman tell it like it was!
08:21 AM on 02/22/2012
How quickly you forget. The president at the time was Bush, a republican.
But it is useless to argue about which party was more responsible, because in reality the difference between them on this issue is insignificant.
07:03 AM on 02/22/2012
So your point is that Republicans should love socialism because Bush did it? Does that mean progressives need to love homophobia because Obama can't seem to make up his mind about gay marriage?
07:18 PM on 02/21/2012
"they have already lost that money. It isn't going to be repaid. They just refuse to admit it...."
Exactly, this is what I have been arguing for years. We don't actually have a choice but to restructure the debt, sovereign and private. We need to just accept that now and move on because the pain can't be avoided.