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John Zogby

John Zogby

Posted: February 5, 2010 01:49 PM

Boiling Tea

What's Your Reaction:

Co-authored by Zeljka Buturovic, PhD

The attitude toward the Tea Party movement is an emerging division in the American electorate. Those who support and those who oppose the Tea Party agenda are often as different as conservatives and progressives. The Tea Party attitude is more predictive of President Barack Obama's approval than are education, race, religious and party affiliation. In addition, a very large portion of the likely electorate sides with or against Tea Partiers, leaving few moderate voices in between.

Tea Partiers are not a fringe phenomenon. The political views of those who identify with Tea Partiers from a distance and those who are actively engaged in the movement are very similar. From the perspective of Tea Party detractors, the sympathizers are for the most part as extreme as are actual Tea Party organizers and participants.

And there are plenty of those sympathizers. While people who are official members of Tea Party organizations and those who attend Tea Parties are relatively few, those who are generally sympathetic to their cause are many. In fact, taken together, these three groups comprise 47% of likely voters according to our latest survey. Senator Scott Brown's assertion that he could not win with a mere support of the Tea Party Movement misses this larger point: Tea Party activists can elect few people but Tea Party supporters can elect many more and winning without at least some of the Tea Party sympathetic vote is, at the present moment, a tall order.

On the other hand, 32% of likely voters say they have nothing in common with Tea Partiers, and 11% say they don't believe in much of what the group believes and would never join in one of their protests. Sandwiched between two large extremes are those who believe in some of their goals but consider them to be too outside the mainstream. Thus, we can divide the likely electorate into three categories:

I belong to one of the Tea Party organizations 7% 47% Tea Party Supporters
I do not belong to an organization, but I have attended Tea Party protests 8%
I believe in most of their agenda, but do not belong to a Tea Party organization nor have I attended a protest 32%
I believe in some of their goals, but they are too outside the mainstream for me 8% 8% Ambivalent about Tea Party
I don't believe in much of what they believe and would never join in one of their protests 11% 43% Opposed to Tea Party
I have nothing in common with Tea Partiers 32%
Other 2% 2% Other

President Obama's approval among Tea Party supporters is very close to zero. In a very real sense, this is the most uniting feature of the movement. Yet, in the wake of the Senate election in Massachusetts, many Democrats seem to believe that they can co-opt the movement's populist rhetoric, by lashing out at Wall Street and talking about jobs, and in that way harness its intensity while changing its target.

The success of this strategy is by no means assured. The populist wave is at odds with Washington on a lot of levels. Only 9% of them voted for Obama to begin with. While they are sometimes perceived as the voice of the independents, this is not entirely true, though they are somewhat less partisan than Tea Party detractors. For example, 32% of Tea Party supporters are independents, compared to 24% of their opponents, and 61% of Tea Party supporters call themselves Republicans while 71% of those who dislike Tea Partiers are Democrats.

However, a majority of both Tea Partiers and their detractors are partisan and it is unlikely that the current administration can gain much ground among them. To the contrary, rather than calming them down, the White House's economic populism might merely shift Tea Partiers' attention to their other grievances. And a loud airing of these fresh grievances might turn out to be more damaging to the administration and more widely recognized as legitimate.

For example, take a look at the Tea Partiers' position on profiling, the causes of terrorism and its view of the quality of the public discussion about it:

Which of the following best describes your personal view?

Overall Tea Party Supporters Ambivalent about Tea Party Opposed to Tea Party
I support ethnic and religious profiling 53% 86% 60% 21%
I do not support ethnic and religious profiling though I believe it can be effective 16% 6% 27% 24%
I don't support ethnic and religious profiling and I do not think it is effective 22% 2% 8% 45%
Other 4% 4% 2% 4%
Not sure 4% 3% 3% 6%

Which of the following do you think plays the most important role in terrorists' motivation to attack the US?

Overall Tea Party Supporters Ambivalent about Tea Party Opposed to Tea party
Making Islam the world's dominant religion 33% 60% 26% 7%
Resentment of Western power and influence 27% 21% 31% 32%
U.S. support for Israel 12% 7% 15% 19%
Death and damage caused by US military 8% 1% 5% 15%
Poverty 6% 2% 10% 10%
Western freedoms 3% 4% 5% 2%
Psychological disorders 3% 1% 4% 5%
Other 5% 3% 3% 7%
Not sure 3% 0% 2% 4%

There is too much political correctness in discussion of terrorism:

Overall Tea Party Supporters Ambivalent about Tea Party Opposed to Tea Party
Strongly agree 59% 93% 56% 27%
Somewhat agree 17% 4% 34% 24%
Somewhat disagree 12% 1% 9% 24%
Strongly disagree 10% 1% 2% 21%
Not sure 3% 0% 0% 5%


The data suggests that terrorism can be used to reinforce unity among Tea Partiers while scoring legitimate points with detractors. And it appears that Republicans are increasingly recognizing this and might have already utilized it in the recent Massachusetts election. Politico reported that Brown's advisers thought the "terrorism issue actually broke more in Brown's favor than did his opposition to Obama's health care reform plan." Though some surveys showed health care to be the most important issue for Massachusetts voters and the public is relatively satisfied with the president's handling of terrorism, Brown did not shy away from his views that he was against civil trials for accused terrorists and that water-boarding was not torture. Consistent with this, data from recent elections in Massachusetts shows that Brown out-performed Mitt Romney in conservative districts while he underperformed him in more moderate, suburban districts.

Though, on average, somewhat more male with a somewhat less formal education than their detractors, Tea Partiers are most distinguished by their attitudes, not their demographics. The anger driving opposition to Washington is primarily directed at the ideas of the intellectual elite, of which health care reform is just one expression. For example, they are much less likely than their opponents (5% vs. 40%) to take the globalist view of their residence as planet Earth - a view, one would guess, shared by a substantive proportion of the cosmopolitan elite. Likewise, popularity of Sarah Palin with the movement is probably more due to mutual animosity between her and assorted intellectuals than to her principled policy positions.

Contrary to the often repeated claim that Tea Partiers lack agreed upon set of views, our data shows that terrorism and perceived unwillingness to talk about it in a straightforward manner might be another issue around which opposition to Washington will rally. Ironically, shifting their attention from health care might make Tea Partiers angrier.

John Zogby is president and CEO of Zogby International, a global polling and market research company. He is the author of The Way We'll Be: The Zogby Report on the Transformation of the American Dream (Random House, 2008).

Co-author Zeljka Buturovic has been a research associate at Zogby International since 2008. She holds a doctorate in psychology from Columbia University.

 
 
 
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SmartladyDem
Not a fan of the new format-
12:27 AM on 02/09/2010
Tongue in cheek, right?
03:46 PM on 02/08/2010
I think that in large part, politicians speak in ways that make it hard to understand what the h they are saying. I think the tea baggers like Sarah Palin because they understand her (which is frightening given her command of the language). She says short sentences, like, this good, that bad. That is easy to understand, and people of a certain type feel they finally have a leader that represents them. You know, none of that mumbo jumbo of stuff that I don't understand....just the simple ideas with no actual ideas of how to achieve them.
08:39 PM on 02/08/2010
Perhaps using the correct term for the Tea Party movement would better serve your purpose than referring to an act we all know is not attributable to this demographic.
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yweston
We Won!!!! So Get Over It....
03:29 PM on 03/23/2010
When you say "attributable to this demographic". So I just assume what is attributalbe ot them is spitting on people using the "N" word and "F" word. And idolizing people who can't put a proper sentence together.
And plenty of people in the movement ''Do not like Sarah Palin" either.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
02:58 PM on 02/08/2010
Dear Mr. Zogby

Please provide a link to your polling methods, the region(s) of the country where you made these polls, the age, income, religious affiliation and ethnicity or race (if determined) of your poll subjects, and why you picked the fringe issue questions that you did, instead of something important like jobs, education, constitutional rights, health care, unions, or, heck, whether they've been abducted and probed by a UFO.
08:44 PM on 02/08/2010
Zogby is one of the most highly respected, (by both sides of the aisle), and accurate pollsters in the nation.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
09:31 PM on 02/08/2010
Normally, yes. But don't you think these are weird questions for trying to identify the Tea Party support and popularity?

One also needs to keep in mind that polls can be manipulated by choosing a particular region or time of day when a particular demographic is more likely to participate.

Moreover, some people have a terrible tendency to make up their minds based on poll results. "Oh look, other people think this way, so I will too." "Oh, look, the polls say so and so is going to lose, so I'll vote for the winner."
04:59 AM on 02/09/2010
You've got to be kidding.

He's known mostly for "interactive" Internet polls that are basically meaningless, and his right wing views can be bolstered by skewed questions.

He's no more "respected on both sides of the aisle" than Sarah Palin is.
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
01:54 PM on 02/08/2010
I'm reminded of the Don Henley song "The Garden of Allah," specifically the portion that goes "[T]here are no facts, there is no truth, just data to be manipulated. I can get you any result you like; what's it worth to ya?"
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applebutter
01:48 PM on 02/08/2010
Well this is an interesting analysis. Here's my read of the data: The tea party movement is a collection of ill- informed, poorly educated, white conservatives who are outraged that a black man is our president. Their bigotry extends to the middle east and of course, Mexico/immigration. This is very well demonstrated by the data above and by the signs they carry at rallies. They don't know what socialism is, they don't know Hitler was hard right (as they are) and how ironic it was that he called his movement "socialist". They don't know they got a tax cut already from Obama, or understand the financial crisis. They bleat about big government but none can explain what they mean by it - they just blame Obama. When interviewed, they are wrong, wrong, wrong, about our deist forefathers and their intentions for the country. A "group of fact-deprived, loud-mouthed bigots" is enough to describe these people.
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Mergz
01:55 PM on 02/08/2010
Yikes! Talk about anger.

Project much?
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Cookie Monsta
Angry Young Men, ltd
03:17 PM on 02/08/2010
From the pocket blogger retort collection! Don't like what's posted, insinuate projection!
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yweston
We Won!!!! So Get Over It....
03:32 PM on 03/23/2010
I'll paraphrase "John 'Boehner". She doesn't want "crap" shoved down her throat" about T Party members. She's thinking for herself and that was her analysis.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
02:03 PM on 02/08/2010
Well said. And after looking at your comments page, worth a fanning.
01:44 PM on 02/08/2010
Who wants to admit all the policies you've supported over the years are to blame for most of the problems today? Massive debt? cut taxes and expand spending. Entrenched in undesirable wars? let's let emotionalism set foreign policy. unemployment? More free-markets and outsourcing opportunity to third- world work forces. Lack of opportunity? Well, education doesn't really matter, besides, there's always 'business'.

I more than understand their anger, it's the second stage of the grieving process that comes from having to confront ones own failings.

Hopefully, we can get to acceptance without dismantling the entire country.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
02:49 PM on 02/08/2010
Hmm, anger stemming from the fear that they've messed up? That might be part of it.
01:12 PM on 02/08/2010
well it looks like the terrorists have succeeded possibly beyond what they ever imagined. they killed a few thousand americans 8 years ago, and succeeded in dominating the political discourse ever since. in 2008 there were over 14,000 homicides in the U.S. that's over 4 times the total 9/11 deaths....in a single year! of course national security is an issue, but is it the single largest issue facing our country today??? i got news for you, while we are so busy pandering to those in our country who are duped into believing that NS trumps everything else in deciding who leads our country and shapes public policy, there are a number of other things that are being sidelined, among the most important is education.

unfortunately the right wing realized a while back that NS as an election issue is dramatic and gets the attention of voters. they are used to watching 24 and they want national politics to be just as engaging as their favorite TV show. terrorists and the fear of bombings get people marching in the streets.....a focus on education policy puts these voters to sleep.

we have to find a way to get people to understand the PROPER place that NS has in the national policy portfolio. if we let the right wing whip up enough voters into a frothy fear of 'the terrorists', we are all sunk.
08:50 PM on 02/08/2010
Sooo we haven't thrown enough money at education.
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12:58 PM on 02/08/2010
The Teaparty has a darker side, the birther side. Napalitano was absolutely correct in her assessment of the carrying of assault weapons wearing Tim McV slogans as low level terrorism, as well as the talk of revolution and secession "by ballot box or bullet box signs", the Coulter rants of "the only way to talk to a liberal is with a baseball bat", the vicious screaming and yelling to shut down discourse, when during Bush, liberals were not even allowed to wear a shirt with their dead soldier son's name on it, while remaining utterly silent.

That kind of "free speech" is designed to spread fear to those outside the reference group, to shut us up and shut us out. One does not have to scratch too far under the surface of the Teaparty to see that its a fascist revolution in the making. I feel relatively safe from Al Qaeda, (they will never be able to take over America) but not safe from the FOX Newspeak Minitruth supporters, nor the "Christian" Miniluv compassionate conservatives, both of which are represented by the New & Improved brand of conservatism, the Teaparty.
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kucheka
12:29 PM on 02/08/2010
First, get rid of the hateful rhetoric. Next, add a little bit of honest analysis to support your positions, i.e. move a little beyond the talking points in order to feel out common ground. Finally, contribute practical options to solving the problems that have gotten you all geared. THEN, the energy of the Tea Party movement might be something that moves us forward as a nation.
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Pupadup4oBama
11:33 AM on 02/08/2010
I am currently watching the queen bee on cspan.
We can not be scared of this woman. It gives her power.
She is offering nothing.
She sounds like she's 18.
Anyone who is intelligent enough will see right through her.
We hsve to look out for ourselves and not worry about them
President Obama is helping us, we should help him
The ones who look up to her,
well...survival of the fittest.
Right?
11:28 AM on 02/08/2010
I don't have a problem with teabaggers. Often, though, they don't seem to understand, or care about, what their "movement" is about.
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pdog
09:34 AM on 02/08/2010
I support ethnic and religious profiling. Making Islam the world's dominant religion. There is too much political correctness in discussion of terrorism.

None of those issues will help win elections.
08:38 AM on 02/08/2010
The TBers and those that are driving the GOP agenda offer little of substance that I can find. I cannot engage their arguments because I cannot find any that are well formed.

Their hallmarks are like those of the Creationist movements: false dichotomies, made up problems/controversies or weirdly caricatured problems/controversies, distorted presentation of facts and evidence, repeated statements already solidly proven false, adherence to dogma, feelings, and beliefs in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence, false persecution complexes, made up or exaggerated enemies, labeling nuanced views elitists (indeed attaching the elitist label to almost anything and person that follows the rules of logic and the scientific method). I could go on...

TBers give me a well formed problem/solution statements. E.g., reducing the debt and/or deficit spending is a valid objective to develop solutions to test against historical evidence, future scenarios via modeling, etc. we'd agree. So give me at least one well formed proposal. Include:

impact statement (there are pros and cons to everything),

testable model of operation, historical evidence that leads to your conclusions,

present situations (e.g. other modern countries) that support your means and methods,

some notion of the practical implementation plan to effect it.

Many of you are saying we have too much debt and we are overtaxed.. so my suggested topic seems like one for which you have well formed treatments ready.
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atienne
08:17 AM on 02/08/2010
DavidDennis...will you please tell if you were on board with a movement like this during the last administration?

And by the way, I think we've seen how well the rich create jobs.

Where do you get your information that the stimulus destroyed more jobs than it created? I know my own company has benefitted from the stimulus and this time last year, employees came to work not knowing if it was their last day and now we are hiring and I work with many companies across the states and while some are just NOW feeling the punch of the economy, business is picking up for many others.

I commend you for not caring about color. So, I hope with that mindset, that you also can see when a particular set of 'leaders' REALLY run this country into the ground. And trust me, it was already done. Now you have a bunch of people trying to dig us out. I don't agree with everything the current administration does...in some ways, they should be more aggressive but who has the answers to the disaster the last administration caused?
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ICanHasDemocracy
10:18 AM on 02/08/2010
Not to mention the DJIA climbed back up over 10k since Sept 08. But that's a fact and easily ignored by idealogues.
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atienne
08:06 AM on 02/08/2010
Um..Neverforget911...your argument does NOT hold water. African-Americans also supported Clinton, Kerry and HRC. As a matter of fact, BEFORE Barack Obama had the Democratic nomination, more African-Americans supported HRC. So, try another one, please!