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Put the Arts on Suicide Watch...

Posted: 12/16/11 03:19 PM ET

Whether you follow them or not, rating systems are helpful in alerting people of content that may not be suitable for young viewers, themselves, or others. When you see "V" on the screen before a show goes on, you know right away there's violence in the episode you're about to watch. It's not the most revealing opening to a story, I know, but it's a fact. Ratings help you if you need to follow them.

That brings me to a point, which, mind you, is very personally charged. I think it'd be beneficial if rating systems included a notation whenever suicidal content is included. A few years back during in an eight month span, I lost two people to suicide. While I realize my senses are heightened, I've seen first hand how debilitating the mere mention of suicide in various programming can be for family members. It may only momentarily set them back, but it does nonetheless. Alerting similar viewers that a suicide or situation is featured may help them avoid it altogether or mentally prepare themselves to watch it and take the sting out.

On a related note, "I'm going to kill myself" is just an expression, and I get that. Way too often, however, it's a line used on TV, in film and song lyrics to get laughs. Michael Scott, for example, used to say it all the time on The Office. Sometime it was funny -- sometimes it was a stretch. If we can limit derogatory terms like "faggot" in movie trailers and curse words on prime time TV (although I've noticed more and more "dick" drops at the 8:30 p.m. hour), perhaps it's time we limit hurtful comments like that for awhile or at least denote when it's going to be said.

In my observations, the words can serve as daggers in the hearts of someone who lost someone. Visuals are worse. Just last weekend, I was watching Saturday Night Live's Digital Short when all of a sudden Matt Damon -- playing a homeless guy -- shot his head off during a game of Russian roulette. The audience ate it up. I didn't and can imagine how families touched by suicide felt.

I realize you can't have ratings for everything. I'm not asking for an "A" before a program features alcoholism, but it's a relatively simple ask. Maybe it's the stigma surrounding suicide that adds tothis notion for me. I know when my best friend died in a car accident, I could watch any content with turnpike crashes and not be phased. If you agree with me (or not) -- weigh in below. What I'd really love to do is have some sort of IMDB database of all shows containing suicidal references and actions. That'd take some work, but I'm game. If such a service exists, please tell me. If you can help me get it off the ground, I'm listening.

 
 
 

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Fudgefase
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08:48 AM on 12/19/2011
I sympathise with your loss. I remember asking my mum how many people she knew who had killed themselves. She thought for a while and said "maybe one, though everyone said it was an accident at the time, but I don't think it was." She was amazed when I said I personally, knew and had met/spoken to eight people, young (6 of them) people. Suicide is definitely a growing problem. I don't really know why. I have a tendency to just go for crazy sci fi films or comedies nowadays when it comes to entertainment. I prefer a laugh I guess. I don't know anyone could think a homeless dude playing russian roulette was funny - I can think of much better 'spins' to put on a joke without using a gun. I guess I can only say, if you are worried about a film, then do what I do, and either read the spoiler or the full synopsis before you go to see it. There aren't many surprises - but that includes nasty ones.
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Megan Ward
07:41 PM on 12/18/2011
I recently lost my niece to suicide, less than 2 months ago. I'm not exactly sure where my opinion lies, only to say that I agree with how lightly the comedic side of the industry takes suicide. I also feel that some sort of warning is needed, but understand that an actual "suicide" tag would be plot spoiling. Truth be told there is no easy answer.
Suicide is such a shocking death to those left behind that I can see how it's hard to watch references on TV.
Basically, a warning similar to what shows up on CTV here in Canada that says "Warning this program has scenes of violence and disturbing topics that may be offensive to some viewers" or something like that is appropriate.
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twitch1956
06:25 PM on 12/18/2011
my brother shot himself in the head at age 33. that was 14 years ago. It has left our family in a cloud of grief and overwhelming sadness since. My father never recovered from losing his son. My mom did the stoic thing and tried to get everyone thru the first week after the suicide and funeral.

No one talks about it. His name is rarely mentioned. So much pain and no one knows how to deal with it. It has destroyed relationships with siblings. It is a horrible horrible weight. Even now... after 14 years.
11:44 PM on 12/17/2011
I agree with you Jon. My mother committed suicide and I am reminded of it almost daily. There are movies I have walked out of. It is an unimaginable trauma for the family. There are some movies where the suicide is a known part of the plot. But in others it just happens suddenly. I understand the points people have been making. But as a survivor, I'm with you Jon.
09:57 PM on 12/17/2011
I have to disagree w/writer's opinion. My mother killed herself (gunshot) when she was 47 yrs old. (I was 23).
It's been a number of years, but it still hits me anew unexpectedly at times.

BUT, I see suicide as a part of life in that it happens in a number of families. The saddest thing about suicide (I think) is seeing how the survivors of the person who committed suicide react to it. I have never recovered from my mother's suicide & never expect to; I think others might feel same way.

So, since I never forget--it's with me every day--, I can honestly say that seeing tv programs, movies, where a suicide happens does not bother me or offend me, and I need no warning. It's not a "painful reminder" since I need no reminders.

Just my opinion....
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Jon Chattman
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10:50 PM on 12/17/2011
Thanks for sharing.
08:32 PM on 12/17/2011
Jon, your intent is sincere but the underlying notion that we can somehow sanitize life’s experience from things that hurt or offend us -- in this case with a prescription such as a rating -- is unrealistic and probably unneeded (imo). Life hurts. Pain and suffering occur and not all grievances get redressed. Suicide is a subject we’re so uncomfortable to dissect we sort of relegate it to a “Don’t ask, don’t tell” mentality rather than treat it as a topic for real discussion. This is the mark of a frightened society rather than one that seeks to be enlightened by discovery. I’d always rather err toward enlightenment.

I especially disagree though with your suggestion to put limits on artistic expression, even if temporarily. Art’s function is not just to express the benign and the comfortable but to take on life’s ambiguous multi-dimensionality full bore. Some of our favorite works of art whether they be books, poems, songs, movies or TV are laden with imagery that many will find offensive, but if we’re to set limits on their creation we don’t get things like “Macbeth” (violence and murder), Bukowski’s “Ice Cream People”, Pearl Jam’s “Jeremy” (both potentially about suicide), “Thelma & Louise” (the final scene) or Whitman’s “A Woman Waits For Me” (with its explicit sexual imagery).

Personally I’m okay with “The following is for mature audiences and may contain scenes, etc…”. It alerts the audience to “mature” content but leaves the interpretation with us to decide.
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Jon Chattman
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10:49 PM on 12/17/2011
Appreciate your comments...
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DamonIcke
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06:33 PM on 12/17/2011
How about we just not make TV programs out of fear something in the plot might trigger sadness in an audience member?
11:05 AM on 12/17/2011
My comment hasn't even posted yet but I took a walk and thought about the issue some more. I think that i would generally agree with JessJess about the labeling, despite my originally comments about adding to the lengthy list they already have. The creative process should be allowed to happen. I think that the other comments that you should get therapy or are too sensitive, are harsh. But I stand by the fact that unless you experience losing a loved one to suicide, fortunately for you, you won't get it. As far as losing your Dad to a heart attack, my sympathies. The big difference is that the various ways to kill yourself are very visual when represented in a movie and traumatic to look at. There is also the fact that people that take their own lives usually have some sort of mental health issues of depression, etc leading up to it, possible the family has dealt with it their whole lives. So the wounds are ripped open when it is depicted graphically. This article is the first time I have ever heard anyone discuss how suicide in movies affects the viewer, and it hit a nerve.
10:39 AM on 12/17/2011
I think unless you have lost someone to suicide you can't really understand the shock of seeing a strong visual that relates to the mode of suicide is. I think that possibly including in the already heavily classified ratings under the violence, an A is not that difficult. Again, if you haven't experienced it I don't think you will understand. I lost a brother to asphyxiation and anything in a movie that was unexpected having to do with that, for years and years, was very upsetting. Most of the time it was in a movie that didn't have any indication of it in the description. Someone recommended a movie to my mom without thinking how traumatic it would be. You can't protect everyone from everything, but it's a reasonable discussion to have I think.
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Jon Chattman
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01:22 PM on 12/17/2011
thanks for sharing. i think it's at least worth a conversation.
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George Heymont
03:08 AM on 12/17/2011
There's no question that it takes time to heal from a very deep personal wound. But that doesn't mean that the entire entertainment industry should reclassify itself in order to prevent you from feeling bad.

If you don't want to hear or see any references to suicide, don't watch the evening news. Don't attend performances of operas like Tosca, Peter Grimes, Madama Butterfly, Dialogues of the Carmelites, The Flying Dutchman, Gotterdammerung, etc.

Find therapeutic activities that are fulfilling and that can bring you happiness. Crafts work. Gardening. Reading. Playing cards with friends. Working out at the gym. Volunteering.

Take all the time you need to heal until you feel that you're ready to get on with your life. But don't expect everyone to stop what they're doing -- and what may involve their life's work or artistic output -- just to keep coddling you.

George Heymont
http://myculturallandscape.blogspot.com/2007/11/about-author.html
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Jon Chattman
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01:23 PM on 12/17/2011
i disagree with you but thanks for sharing.
08:46 PM on 12/17/2011
George, I tend to agree with the spirit of your remarks. I don't believe in setting limits on the artists or their art. To me it condescends our ability as the audience or viewer to make choices for ourselves about how to interpret controversial subject matter.

As uncomfortable or hurtful as it may seem, suicide (or depictions of it) fit within that paradigm and we as adults should possess the ability to process these things without additional regulatory interference.
04:26 PM on 12/16/2011
Yes, I'm sorry to say, but you're too sensitive, perhaps, and asking for something too specific. My father died from a heart attack, as did his father--scenes with those deaths can upset me, but it is just a movie/TV show. His friends played "Over the Rainbow" by Bobby McFerrin at his memorial and I tear-up every time I hear it, but I don't expect others to stop playing it.

I actually laugh at how specific the TV ratings/warnings have become--I think Rescue Me was TV-MA, LSV. Do you really want warnings for: suicides, rapes, gun shootings, knifings, drownings, patricide/matricide/infanticide, bullying, etc.? Where do you draw the line to ensure we're all comfortable watching something?

Maybe you just need to pre-read more before you watch something to see if it may contain suicidal scenes. Or get therapy. Or avoid watching anything potentially upsetting.
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Jon Chattman
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04:55 PM on 12/16/2011
Thanks for writing. I wrote what I wrote after watching family members responding to content. "Get therapy" and "avoid watching anything potentially upsetting" seems pretty transparent. Reading an episode description won't work because things happen suddenly.
05:13 PM on 12/16/2011
If by "transparent" you mean shallow or insensitive, that wasn't my intent. I was actually serious. This issue is obviously very important to you, but you may need to lean how to deal with it in an open society where everything can't be tagged or screened.

I think there are too many potential sources of cultural material that could upset you to avoid: films, TV, news programs, music, plays, videogames, etc. My point was that it's unreasonable to ask that all these pieces be reviewed and tagged and that there is nothing inherently more upsetting about suicide versus the other issues I mentioned. It obviously means more to you, but I don't think it's reasonable to tag every potentially objectionable subject for every viewer.

Plus, you asked. :-)
11:19 AM on 12/17/2011
What seems to be transparent is that you get offended at somebody suggesting you get therapy to learn coping mechanisms, and yet nobody else is supposed to disagree with your contention that the entire entertainment world bow to your sensitivities. Wow..
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08:56 AM on 12/19/2011
The way films are going, more detailed warnings for knifings, infanticide etc might not go amiss. Also MKOTIGW (multiple killings of teenagers in gruesome ways) and PDUIOB (plot disappears up its own b***) would be useful for starters.....
I tend to read up on a film, reviews, synopsis beforehand nowadays. I don't like surprises and I like to know when to shut my eyes....
04:21 PM on 12/16/2011
While I understand and sympathetize with your issue, I generally disagree about any kind of labelling on content. There will always be someone offended by one content or another. We cannot cater to everyone (I don't agree with the violence or sex labelling either by the way). I consider that the little that remains on the Arts front comes from the ability to shock the audience in one way or another, and the labelling tends to confine creativity within boundaries that are by nature wrong and have negative impact.
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Jon Chattman
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04:56 PM on 12/16/2011
Valid points.
06:43 PM on 12/17/2011
Shock, schlock! Why! For dramatic effect! For fun! What have you learned by being shocked. Entertainment yes. Other? No.