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Taking Back Our Tickets

Posted: 06/20/2012 1:14 pm

On any given Saturday, tens of thousands of fans sit at their computers, counting down the minutes until 10 a.m., when they'll start clicking desperately to score tickets to a hot concert or big game. More often than not, fans are greeted with technical glitches, a never-ending pinwheel, vanishing tickets and the disappointment of another instant sellout. To call this experience frustrating would be an understatement.

While there's some debate about where all those tickets go (and how many are ever available in the first place), one of the culprits is surely "bots" -- automated ticket purchasing programs used by scalpers to cut the line and cheat fans. These programs bombard the online box office with millions of requests, blocking every purchase point as soon as tickets are posted for sale. While fans like you and me are locked out, the bots scoop up large quantities of tickets, which are then sold on the resale market at a hefty markup.

The frustration over bots is so widespread that the issue has reached Congress. Representative Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) has said he plans to introduce a bill that would make it a federal crime to use bots and set up a Department of Justice task force to investigate these activities.

Last spring, when the "final" LCD Soundsystem shows at Madison Square Garden sold out in minutes, front man James Murphy pointed his finger (and Twitter feed) at bots and those who use them. Earlier this year, Bruce Springsteen blamed quick sellouts on bots, too. The official press response from Ticketmaster said "scalpers were using sophisticated computer programs to assault our systems and secure tickets with the sole intention of selling them in the resale market."

Ticketmaster and fans may not always see eye to eye, but we can all agree that fans shouldn't have to compete against robots to get good tickets for face value. Bots (and the shady characters deploying them) are preventing real fans from seeing the teams and artists they love, and in several states, they are also breaking the law.

Despite this area of broad agreement, ticket companies have done little to curb the problem. The cynic in me understands the reason: at the end of the day and by their own admission, it makes no difference to them whether a purchase is made by a bot or a fan; high-volume bot transactions are guaranteed sales and sell-outs ensure high profits and increased demand. We know what it will take to stop the bots and put tickets in the hands of real fans. The National Consumers League, Consumer Action and the Fan Freedom Project put forth a comprehensive plan for public-private collaboration on the matter to ticket companies Ticketmaster, Veritix and Paciolan.

The ideas are there. What's missing is leadership from the ticket industry. Absent a coordinated effort by all players in the ticket marketplace, these are just empty words. (Four months on, we are still waiting for a response on our proposed plan for collaboration to stop the bots.)

The ticket industry has a choice. It can stand with fans and help implement these recommendations or it can sit on the sidelines as it has for years, raking in dollars off the misery of fans.

 

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09:45 AM on 07/05/2012
I've stopped buying tickets when they go on sale. Occasionally I will buy tickets below face value on the day of the event or on Craigslist. I'd rather save for my retirement.
06:25 PM on 06/25/2012
everybody blames scalpers and brokers now its bots?my way of thinking its the promoter or ticketmaster themselfs,ticketmaster stated that all the good seats for springsteen were on stuhub,they have a secondary market call ticketsnow,which stated they were not going to re-sell his tickets,so why would ticketmaster come out and promote stubhub?
also if ticketmaster or the promoter couldnt push the blame on someone or something else then they might have to answer to where the tickets really went
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08:21 AM on 06/22/2012
That bites..... If there's no box office option I think I want out.

I live in Hershey PA. We get little concerts and minor league hockey. My standards are officially low for live entertainment.
02:35 PM on 06/21/2012
NOT ONLY THAT! it should be ILLEGAL to sell tickets at anything other than the face value plus processing fees on sites like E-Bay! People skirt this issue by selling a T-shirt or ball cap for a LARGE fee, then claim to add the tickets as a free "gesture"! This has gotten way out of hand!
06:47 PM on 06/21/2012
it is legal in most states
IT IS CALL FREE ENTERPRISE
NO ONE MAKES YOU BUY THEM
01:04 PM on 06/23/2012
...You've missed the point of BB2012's post entirely. If it was illegal to sell tickets at anything other than face value, the resale market would vanish - and so would the bots that buy up the tickets before real fans can get them.
01:09 PM on 06/21/2012
This folks, is an Idea Who's Time Has Come...

For too long, Ticketmaster and it's cohorts have held Fans hostage with not only exorbitant per ticket fees but also by allowing Brokers and Resellers ample access to buy up tickets en mass and then sell them for ridiculous pricing!

In the old days, Ticketmaster provided a REAL service to those willing to pay to avoid standing on line at the Box Office...

Since then, Ticketmaster et al have actually worked hard to ELIMINATE THE BOX OFFICE leaving us without a No Fee option to pay for tickets that are overpriced in and of themselves!

PLEASE join with Fan Freedom to force Ticketmaster et al TO STOP!
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12:46 PM on 06/21/2012
Oh the free market at work, how pretty.
You know, you can stop scalpers doings this by.... not buying from scalpers.
The moment thay have tonnes of unsold tickets, they will have such high expenses that their business will be untenable.
Or we can admit that the free market and "vote with your money" doesnt goddamn work.
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03:43 PM on 06/21/2012
I often buy tickets from scalpers for far less than purchase price. I am willing to miss the 1st inning of the ball game or the opening act of the concert. I once purchased reserved concert tickets with a face value of $125 for $15 - the scalper could sell them or eat them, he chose the $15 since he wanted to go in and see the show too and preferred that over $0. I agree that ticket sellers should try to kill off the bots and scalpers, I would be fine with that, but in this economy not all shows or games are sold out and that is when you can turn the tables on the scalper and get into a show or game for very little cash. You have to be ready to walk away and not attend, if the scalper does not accept your offer then just walk away, in most cases he will prefer to make something over nothing and negotiate.
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08:58 AM on 06/21/2012
A few months ago I took a long hard look at all the money I wasted on tickets and decided to stop.

I'm going to sell the tickets I have on stub hub and get out completely.

I'm not buying anything except directly from the box office window from now on.
01:09 PM on 06/21/2012
I live in NJ and these venues don't even offer Box Office options!
01:06 PM on 06/23/2012
Unfortunately, I've been finding that many box offices are also tacking on a "convenience fee," I'm assuming to recoup whatever they lose from people who buy from Ticketmaster.
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06:20 PM on 06/20/2012
Yep, it's been a problem for a long time. I can recall several times when I counted down the minutes and seconds until some concert ticket went on sale, only to by stymied from the get-go. It feels like a crime, and if it's not literally one, it should be.
08:39 AM on 06/22/2012
It USED to be a crime, and it still SHOULD be........