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Video of Marine Atrocities Highlights Split Between Right Wing and Our Military

Posted: 01/12/12 01:31 PM ET

There are no words to express my disgust at the video making the rounds today, of U.S. Marines apparently urinating on the dead bodies of the Taliban. As an Iraq War veteran who works with Iraq and Afghanistan veterans every day, I can truthfully say that the Marines in the video have undermined everything that I and those who served with me tried to do.

That's why I'm just as disgusted by right wingers like Pamela Gellar, who said, "I love these Marines" and joked, "Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial."

Comments like these not only go against everything our military stands for, but only serve to put our troops on the ground in increased danger. It just shows that some on the right still just don't get it when it comes to our mission in Afghanistan.

No matter what one thinks about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (and I have been plenty critical of them and how they've been waged), one indisputable fact is that most troops on the ground have tried their best to build the trust of the population. Believe me, it isn't easy. Having worked with the Iraqi Army on my second tour, I'm acutely aware of what challenges we face when trying to get the trust of the population. Understandably, Afghans and Iraqis looked at us pretty skeptically, if not outright as invaders.

Horrific incidents like at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo further undermined American forces by reinforcing the population's most negative feelings about us. But since that time, we've made great strides. General Petraeus and McChrystal, especially, took winning hearts and minds very seriously, and implemented a number of tactics to reach out to the populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Doing so wasn't just the right thing to do, it was absolutely crucial to their counter-insurgency strategy.

That work is now at risk, because of these Marines.

Aside from basic human decency, corpse desecration harms our mission by disrespecting the culture of Afghanistan and the families of the dead. Think this video isn't circulating in Afghanistan already? You think some young Afghan male who was on the fence about the insurgency won't be knocked off it?

Secondly, these actions violate the military ban on corpse desecration. So these Marines are looking at the possibility of a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years under Article 92, UCMJ. Frankly, I wish they would face harsher punishment.

But, I'm supremely confident that the Pentagon will investigate and prosecute this case as hard as they possibly can. Indeed, the military is already coming out hard against what was in the video. Trying these Marines, and laying down harsh punishment will be the next step in trying to prove to the people of Afghanistan that America, as a nation, is not represented by these Marines. There is no other choice. Condemning, investigating, and prosecuting is the only thing we can do at this point to mitigate the damage done by this video, and try to protect our troops from retribution.

This isn't the same military that let people like Rep. Allen West go with a slap on the wrist. West, while serving in Iraq, detained and abused a likely innocent Iraqi, shooting a pistol off right next to the Iraqi's head, after West's men captured and beat the Iraqi. The military now understands that actions like West's, or the Marines in the video, directly put our own troops in danger, and that not doling out justice and punishment sets the US Military back, and puts our troops at increased risk.

We, as a nation, have to be 100 percent behind the Pentagon on this, and seek justice in this case. Those who would cheer on the disgusting actions of these Marines, only serve to compound the damage already done by them.

UPDATE: Among the other right wingers coming out for this deplorable action is a Tea Party Founder who appears on CNN. She said, "Now we have a bunch of progressives that are talking smack about our military because there were marines caught urinating on corpses... I want a million cool points for these guys. Is that harsh to say?"

 

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There are no words to express my disgust at the video making the rounds today, of U.S. Marines apparently urinating on the dead bodies of the Taliban. As an Iraq War veteran who works with Iraq and A...
There are no words to express my disgust at the video making the rounds today, of U.S. Marines apparently urinating on the dead bodies of the Taliban. As an Iraq War veteran who works with Iraq and A...
 
 
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09:32 AM on 01/16/2012
So, the American Military is kind of like the peace corps? Natives should be happy that we're walking around their neighborhoods fully armed?
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rh1037
06:53 AM on 01/16/2012
Strange set of morals that people have. Outrage over not treating corpses with dignity and respect after the ultimate obscenity of murdering them in the first place. Not a word of disgust in the media about this, just hot awful it is to pee on someone you just killed, who is just as likely to be a civilian as a combatant. We have no business there, we are invaders and occupiers.
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Godweiser
The eyes have it.
11:29 PM on 01/15/2012
Some real brilliant people have already commented here, it seems (/facetious) Look, the point is that this sort of thing endangers the troops in the field. Anyone remotely experienced or educated in this stuff knows that, and that's why the condemnation is not merely from the politicians, but the military leadership as well. The enemy recruits from the population, gathers intelligence from there and gets their logistical support from there. If you alienate that population with this sort of scene, they will support the enemy even more fervently and strengthen his position, thus endangering our troops. Basically, the TP types that wanna sound tough basically come off sounding terrifyingly ignorant by supporting these guys, because what they did was wrong and it endangers their comrades.
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mccord82
Liberal Alabama Democrat-yeah that's right
10:32 PM on 01/15/2012
This is one more reason America should leave.
09:15 PM on 01/15/2012
Thank you Jon Soltz. You sense of right and wrong is good. I feel sorry for these young men, however, they do lesson the safety of future service men and they do lessen the perception of our military. I sure wish they had been brought home earlier. People keep saying "War is Hell", but we don't
have to make it worse.
09:10 PM on 01/15/2012
good post jon ---your country can be proud of you.
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modeforjoe
We had the experience, but we missed the meaning
08:39 PM on 01/15/2012
Mercenary peeing on the dead who are defending their own turf is what mercenaries do. Even worse is what the mercenaries do to cultures, to families, to parents, to children, either by direct assault or as a collateral result of culture destruction.
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modeforjoe
We had the experience, but we missed the meaning
08:22 PM on 01/15/2012
So your guys got caught doing in public what they have been doing beyond and behind the public eye. Terrorizing families, causing untold harm to cultures, unleashing tens of thousands of retribution deaths because of their culture smashing invasion.

The peeing thing is the least of your worries, macho man. Spank those babies. Then kick ass on all the mercenaries who have agreed to go and maul these peoples.

Hell No, We Won't Go.

Try it. It won't burn your mouth. Hell No, WE Won't Go.

There's your remedy.
08:09 PM on 01/15/2012
Atrocitie ? Is this guy for real ? Our real enemy is under the wire and it starts with jokers such as this.
10:45 PM on 01/15/2012
Care to explain what you mean?
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WhatWhat1
Don't believe everything you think.
11:19 PM on 01/15/2012
Huh?
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
07:46 PM on 01/15/2012
Don't expect that anyone higher than SSG to face charges.

Just like Abu Graib, the enlisted personnel right there will be punished while their superiors who tolerated or even encouraged the behavior will not face so much as a letter of admonishment.
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Donald J Sullivan
Monetary Reform Now
09:03 PM on 01/15/2012
We still do not know who was behind the camera could be high personnel ! That would be interesting indeed....
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07:06 PM on 01/15/2012
Since the dawn of warfare man has taken trophies and desecrated the bodies of soldiers and civilians, tortured and killed prisoners and the wounded. It has not stopped. What has changed is the development of formal rules of warfare(19th-20thC). Please read the link below for perspective. These activities will not end. Bodies will continue to be mutilated and desecrated. What is different is that it was RECORDED. Of course, this has outraged people. Politicians and pundits that offer support sound ridiculous. Yes. War is Hell and it has a dramatic effect on its participants and this is a clear and present example. They are scarred for life. Goodbye service, benefits, and good name all for the sake of a rash and impulsive choice that was RECORDED. Damned by the evidence.

“It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/01/14/desecration_of_the_dead_is_as_old_as_war_itself/. >Excellent presentation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war > History of rules. More links
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/rules+of+war > Rules


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Freethinking American
Reason begets humanity for humanity
06:57 PM on 01/15/2012
The tragedy of this is that the war continues and the American public only notices our troops when something "newsworthy" happens - either good or bad. The daily deaths of our young men and women don't register with the American public anymore -- and they die nearly every day. For the past decade. Only their family (immediate and military) cares. If pissing on a corpse makes the American public seriously question this war, why we're there, the incredible treasure we've lost, and what little we've gained, then those Marines have done our Nation a great service.
06:32 PM on 01/15/2012
Let it be known, in 2012, peeing is more outrageous than slaughter.

As Morgan Freeman said in Se7en... "I don't understand this place anymore."
07:01 PM on 01/15/2012
Or as Colonel Kurtz said:

"We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!"
03:49 PM on 01/16/2012
Thank you! Like I said, selective morality.
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edgarcaycedoc
06:26 PM on 01/15/2012
TY Mr.Stoltz. Veterans like yourself make it just a little bit easier for those of us out here who served in the military, and understand that desecrating the corpses of our enemies is counterproductive. But from sea to shining sea there is a culture of ignorance (without knowledge--NOT mental deficiency) when it comes to incidents such as this. The thing that alarms me the most is that since the end of the draft, less than one percent of the population even serves. So that makes 99% of the populace without knowledge about why this incident was wrong, and why the marines involved should be tried under the full force of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
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modeforjoe
We had the experience, but we missed the meaning
08:33 PM on 01/15/2012
The "incident" wasn't wrong so much as the whole war was wrong. The incident that shocks you, Mr. Veteran, is just a footnote on the greater shame of American involvement in this region. Get the big picture.
10:47 PM on 01/15/2012
You entirely miss the point. This has nothing to do with whether one supports the war or not- it is the action of individuals. I think we all understand the "big picture."
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edgarcaycedoc
03:27 PM on 01/16/2012
I do agree that the whole war was "wrong." And even if it were not, we accomplished our objective in Afghanistan when we kil~led Osama Bin Laden. So when we accomplished that, we should have come home post haste.
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06:22 PM on 01/15/2012
agreed. issues are not always cut and dry. this one is. there is no excuse for the actions of these marines and those how attempt to justify their actions deserve to be held accountable for what they have said.