Anti-Hillary Sentiment On The Rise Among Leading Feminists

Posted February 20, 2008 | 01:54 PM (EST)



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More than 1,000 feminists have signed a statement criticizing Hillary Clinton and supporting Obama for president - evidence that Clinton's support among women activists continues to decline. The group, "Feminists for Peace", started out with 100 signers before the super-Tuesday primaries, and has 1,200 signers two weeks later.

Clinton's support for the war in Iraq was the leading reason she lost the support of the feminists, along with the fact that "until quite recently [she] opposed all legislative efforts to bring the war and occupation to an end." The group added, "We urgently need a presidential candidate whose first priority is to address domestic needs."

Those endorsing Obama include writer Barbara Ehrenreich; longtime peace activist Cora Weiss; Katha Pollitt, columnist for The Nation; Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times writer Margo Jefferson; women's rights historians Alice Kessler Harris and Linda Gordon; political scientist Frances Fox Piven and actor/activist Susan Sarandon.

"Choosing to support Senator Obama was not an easy decision for us," the group stated, "because electing a woman president would be a cause for celebration in itself." They "deplored" the "sexist attacks against Senator Clinton that have circulated in the media." But, they stated, they nevertheless supported Obama because his election "would be another historic achievement" and because "his support for gender equality has been unwavering."

This group joins other prominent feminists who have turned against Hillary and endorsed Obama, including Kate Michelman, president for 20 years of NARAL Pro-Choice America, the country's leading reproductive rights group, and Ellen Bravo, former director of 9to5, the National Association of Working Women.

Meanwhile an opposing group of 250 feminists has responded with a statement supporting Clinton. Led by historians Ellen Carol DuBois from UCLA and Christine Stansell from the University of Chicago, the group includes writers Gloria Steinem and Robin Morgan, CUNY Women's Studies professor Michele Wallace, Blanche Wiesen Cook, biographer of Eleanor Roosevelt, and Peg Yorkin of the Feminist Majority Foundation.

Their statement says that, in supporting the war, Clinton "made a major mistake." While acknowledging that Obama opposed the war from the start, the group declared that his opposition "carried no risks and indeed, promised to pay big dividends in his liberal Democratic district."

Obama, they wrote, "has no monopoly on inspiration." They praised Clinton's "brains, grace under pressure, ideas, and the skill to make them real: we call that inspiring," they said.

A third feminist statement blasted the Clinton supporters as "'either/or' feminists determined to see to it that a woman occupies the Oval Office." Eve Ensler, author of "The Vagina Monologues," and Kimberlé Crenshaw, professor of law at UCLA and Columbia, declared that the pro-Clinton feminists "interrogate, chastise, second-guess and even denounce those who escape their encampment and find themselves on Obama terrain. In their hands feminism, like patriotism, is the all-encompassing prism that eliminates discussion, doubt and difference about whom to vote for and why."


 
 

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- dbroder See Profile I'm a Fan of dbroder permalink

It is sad to me as a male supporter of women's rights to see the slow deterioration of Hillary on the national scene. It occurred to me during tonight's debate that she just talks too much, never seems to know when enough is enough and can't help being negative. There surely can be no question that she's very smart and has a grasp of the arcane details of almost any policy issue. She just can't get the hang of actually leading and inspiring. Barack can, inexperience and all. That's why he will win the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/27/2008
- stefanielaine See Profile I'm a Fan of stefanielaine permalink

I genuinely have no idea how anyone can call Clinton's recent behavior "grace under pressure." Have these people been paying attention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 02/25/2008
- KaAp See Profile I'm a Fan of KaAp permalink

I am one of the women who signed the petition criticizing Clinton and supporting Obama ... the petition is located at:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NYfeministsforpeace/signatures.html

if you would like to sign it ... for those of you who do not understand the different waves of feminism and that second wave feminism is limited in scope and undertheorized in many ways and that is why new forms of feminist gendered and sexual analysis have sprung up ...
I cannot vote for someone who supports war cluster bombing etc ... and so I will not vote for Clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 02/25/2008
- PacificGatePost See Profile I'm a Fan of PacificGatePost permalink

We are now witnessing a wildfire of "jump-on-the-Obama-wagon-to-curry-favor" accelerating the euphoria. There is an avalanche of positioning on the new Obama food chain. Here"s why it happened to an virtual unknown: ¦. http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-social-phenomenon.html ¦.

¦. This sweep into the White House has nothing to do with Sex, Color or a vote on Iraq in 2002. It is rooted in a great "disconnect."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 02/24/2008
- SouthCentralDel See Profile I'm a Fan of SouthCentralDel permalink

PacificGatePost, 'disconnect' from what? Moral reasoning? Ethics? Consistent common courtesy? Doing the right thing despite political strategy? Inclusiveness? Respect for all? The golden rule? Not throwing core constituents under the bus for political points? 'Disconnect' from using and cooperating with the Drudge Report? Disconnect from politics as usual? Disconnect from corporate lobbyists continuing to write U.S. legislation? Disconnect from exaggerating and distorting truth for selfish political gain? Disconnect from endangering the Democratic party for selfish politcal gain? Disconnect from believing this country can be the moral envy of the world again? Disconnect from the idea that we can be concurrently strong militarily as well as smart in our foreign policy? Disconnect from the thought that the leader of the free world will act like the role model he/she should be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 02/26/2008
- charlesrfd2003 See Profile I'm a Fan of charlesrfd2003 permalink

Just as well that Clinton is losing strength.

The Republicans have a candidate that turns off the extreme right wing of their base. On the other hand Clinton energizes that same base.

On the Democrat side their are some who are turned off by Clinton. We had 12 years of Bush and we do not want 12 or 16 years of Clinton.

I think Obama will energize the Democrats so that he will pull many Congressional and local candidates into office. If the super delegates can heal the party, we should get the CHANGE we need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/22/2008
- rationalthought1 See Profile I'm a Fan of rationalthought1 permalink

I always liked and admired Hillary. I thought the right were obviously out of their minds for all the antipathy against her. I still think the right is out of their minds, but ever since Clinton's authorization of the war (we all understood what that meant and many of us understood why she voted for it)and her refusal to admit her error (as John Edwards did) I've become very disillusioned with her. The way she has managed and conducted herself in this campaign has been an eye opener for me.
She's intelligent and capable but does not see the larger picture - the picture beyond her personal ambition. Please read Obama's speech in 2002 opposing invading Iraq. The reasons he gave for such an act being "dumb" and "rash" are exactly what ended up happening. We need a president who has no investment in making excuses for this tragic, unnecessary war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 02/24/2008
- S1m0n See Profile I'm a Fan of S1m0n permalink

"I always liked and admired Hillary. I thought the right were obviously out of their minds for all the antipathy against her."

Me too. Then, she got elected, and its all been straight qownhill.

It turns out that all Hillary's supposed qualities--political acument, liberal cred, principle, and smarts--were illusionary all along. She has displayed none of the above, they're the emporer's new clothes, in fact. Who knew?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/24/2008
- j.gold See Profile I'm a Fan of j.gold permalink

Voting for someone because they have a vagina is just as sexist as voting for someone because they don't. I personally hate how Hillary plays into female stereotypes. She got all weepy and tender at the end of the debate last night like a "good little women" should and her fans loved it. I thought it was just hokey and wimpy! I don't buy all that "called to service" crap. She is called to POWER and will ride on her husbands coattails to get it. Stand by your man? Yeah, if he can get you political gains. I would have much more respect for her if she would have dumped the guy, taken her fair share of their property and ran for president without him. Besides all that, I like Obama's ideas and manner better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 02/22/2008
- brookercharl121 See Profile I'm a Fan of brookercharl121 permalink

Yeah I would vote for someone if they were at all literate were not a Republican and had a vagina. I am 59 year old woman. Women have a history of not supporting women. Chris Rock supports Obama-duh--. The things that are said on the National Media are disgustingly sexist and gross about Hillary Clinton. And this crap about Bill is so sexist. She stalked him to Arkansas and can't get enough of him. So what! Kinda dysfunctional--yeah-- And what business is it of anyone's who she does or does not sleep with. If she left him everyone would say she did it for political expedience and that she was a liberal lesbian whatever. Obama never voted against the war and since then he has voted exactly the same as Hillary. The history of woman in power in the world has always been to ride to power on a man's coat tails--too bad we still live in that world. As a student war protester and feminist in the 60's I think it is time this old vagina got activated. Thank you Chris Mathews et al for a rude awakening. Whatever a middle age woman does is not right and if she was truely herself, you would really hate her. I wish she would get really drunk and just trash everyone on national tv. Go down in glory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 02/22/2008
- SouthCentralDel See Profile I'm a Fan of SouthCentralDel permalink

brookercharl121,

You said "Chris Rock supports Obama-duh--".

Guess your vagina was not activated 4 months ago when blacks were polling for Clinton at a 90% clip before Iowa. I would love to sit down to hear your monologues for this...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 02/26/2008
- joeyfoto See Profile I'm a Fan of joeyfoto permalink

As I wrote for Oprah's web page, anyone who thinks this election is about race or about gender is an imbecile. This election is all about restoring faith to a dispirited, divided and damaged nation at a tipping point in our history. I would happily vote for a transsexual pigmy, if I believed that person had the vision to guide us out of this morass with the courage and character to lead us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 02/25/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

"As a student war protester and feminist in the 60's I think it is time this old vagina got activated. Thank you Chris Mathews et al for a rude awakening."

That's one visual that's going to take weeks to get out of my head.

Well at least you didn't mention Tim Russert *shudders*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/24/2008
- user168 See Profile I'm a Fan of user168 permalink

I want to give Hillary suggestions to win back some sort of respect:

1) Show integrity by attacking Bill and Monica for their lacking moral courage, setting worst example to all youth, and destruction of peace.

2) Show humanity with or without tears by attacking Hillary's vote in supporting Iraq War, the slaughter of men, women, and children. Ask her why others must die so she should live.

3) Show true leadership by attacking petty attacks in a presidential race, but give thoughtful good speeches to inspire the country's youth with your vision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 02/22/2008
- live by the golden rule See Profile I'm a Fan of live by the golden rule permalink

Obama makes one speech and he's a hero?
Why didn't he use his great talents to lead a movement to stop the war? We needed someone to do that in the fall of 2002.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/21/2008
- LeftRoss See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftRoss permalink

He at least spoke out against it. And what did Hillary do? It's not like she was the most prominent new member of the Senate or anything. She may not have much conviction, but she does triangulate well. How's that working out for her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 02/22/2008
- battleborn1 See Profile I'm a Fan of battleborn1 permalink

He didn't use his supposed "great talents" because if he has them they were far too busy being a typical politician...playing his cards to become President. It's a sad and pathetic group of choices we're being offered, where the sole mutual qualification of the candidates is ambition and little else that impresses me at all. I have a neighbor that's better than the lot of them, but he'd never sell his soul for a $1000 a plate like our purchased leaders are so very willing to do. It's said that anyone capable of getting elected President isn't fit to hold the job, which I must agree with and we'd probably do just as well or better giving the job out based on a Civil Service test or even a lottery (each state would get two winning tickets and the 100 winners would get to pick the President) That they call them two seperate parties is not supported by the facts. Remember this is the "New Democratic Party" as engineered by the Clintons, Gores and Mr. Lieberman et al. NAFTA, GATT, welfare "reform", doubling death penalty crimes, doubling arrests for pot and the list goes on and on, the goals and achievements of 8 years of 'Democratic' rule. As an empire in decline, the U.S. is in for some tough times in the very near future. A country with nearly 1000 "Overseas military installations" and outspending the rest of the planet combined on the military is an Empire if you'd care to argue the label. And following the repeated historical trend of Empires and their collapses, we're right on schedule and expect no signifagant course changes from either of the Democrats unfortunate choices for the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 02/22/2008
- SouthAustin See Profile I'm a Fan of SouthAustin permalink

There are a lot of posts here that keep saying that Obama will be crushed against McCain whereas Hillary will win. Basically that Hillary is more electable than Obama. It seems to me that if you want to argue that someone is electable then they actually have to win elections, not lose them by embarrasing margins

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 02/21/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

Thank you. Why do people not get this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 02/24/2008
- riverhouse See Profile I'm a Fan of riverhouse permalink

Let's get real here, boys and girls. Hillary just isn't going to be ready on Day One. I suggest Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-NY, as Obama's vp. She should be a presidential candidate herself. She's everything Hillary isn't, and more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 02/21/2008
- Davidb36 See Profile I'm a Fan of Davidb36 permalink

The problem is that we don't elect people just to put a woman in the position. It seems to me that selecting a woman just because she is a woman does MORE to harm the feminist cause than anything else. Once the feminists realize that just because they are women doesn't mean that they are ENTITLED to anything. Where I come from you have to earn it, man or woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/22/2008
- ModMs See Profile I'm a Fan of ModMs permalink

Jon Weiner's blogs seem to be designed to divide women -- just what some men usually try to do. The fact is that there is no overwhelming surge of feminist support for Obama, although some women and feminists do support him. Well, this woman and feminist continues to support Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 02/21/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

I thought that nothing was more divisive than Gloria Steinem's op-ed piece, which started this whole debate. She created an oppression hierarchy, putting women at the top, then skillfully and rhetorically removed African American and poor women and young women from "women", and THEN said "But I don't want to start an argument over who has it worse", after she had already done so, AND declared a winner. Reading it, I could almost see the support of every women not in Gloria Steinem's exact demographic seeping away from Senator Clinton.

Pointing out that there are feminists who don't support Hillary for President is not "dividing women", any more than putting a woman in the Whitehouse is the end-all-be-all of feminism. As I understand things, it's a marginal issue at best. It's what groups like Emily's List are for; feminism is much larger and deals with more important things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 02/24/2008
- gulopartisan See Profile I'm a Fan of gulopartisan permalink

Ethnic purgers like NOW have taken the position that supporting anyone but Clinton is "anti-women." Thoughtful feminists have alienated segments of their sympathizers by insisting that they "know what you're thinking," and that our dislike for HRC is sexist.

What this story does is offer some facts to dispell the notion that "feminists" regard a vote for anyone but Clinton as an act of war. His opinion would be divisive if the radical dogma about Clinton were true. It's not, and that is his point. Fortunately, some feminists have been "listening to themselves." Would they vote for George Bush if he had a vagina?

Liberation is not achieved by replacing the old boss with a new boss. Liberation is not being allowed to be just as stupid, venal, and corrupt as your oppressors were. I thought feminists knew that. It's been a disappointment to learn how many didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 02/22/2008
- Moralfiberseeker See Profile I'm a Fan of Moralfiberseeker permalink

MM:Since I'm not a woman, I can't relate to your comment that Jon is trying to divide women. The fact that recent exit polls have shown that B.O. has gained strength in all demographics except women over 50 yrs old seems to indicate that HRC is simply losing.

What makes our country great in spite of the damage that the Repugs have done to it is that we the people get to decide who we want to elect. We also get to change our mind at any point of the process. It appears that Billary
were simply overconfident since they believed the polls would do their campaigning for them.

There have also been some faux pas along the way that have produced the status quo. Most notably, Bill's S.C. spout off was asinine & may go down in history as the turning point of Hill's campaign. So now, March 4 may be its last hurrah if OB's movement continues.

That will mean that all Democrats, men & women of all demographics and agendas including Billary will have to do what is best for our country and join forces to run the Repugs out in November. Start paying attention to the races in the Senate and House that will insure that we have the votes to clean house. We must all know that dragging out the primary will not help this country. We all have to believe that YES, WE CAN!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 02/22/2008
- fightingwords See Profile I'm a Fan of fightingwords permalink

There's nothing divisive about what he's written. He's simply pointing out the fact that there are feminists who support Obama over Clinton. Up until recently their voices weren't being heard, and any woman who didn't support Clinton was insulted and denounced, in just the way Crenshaw and Ensler wrote, by none other than Robin Morgan, Gloria Steinem, and Erica Jong.

The reality is there IS no "either/or", and the second wavers are simply reaffirming the reasons why so many younger feminists, and especially women of color like myself, have moved beyond the old analyses and into more comprehensive ones that do not give the fight against sexism primacy over the fight against all other oppressions.

We also are quite clear on the fact that getting ahead primarily through one's attachment to white male patriarchal power is hardly a huge step forward for women everywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 02/21/2008
- llp1 See Profile I'm a Fan of llp1 permalink

So supporting Obama instead of Clinton means that you are fighting comprehensively against *all other oppressions* versus just fighting against sexism? You may be placing *too* much emphasis on Obama's race as a symbol of all types of oppression. As women, we have become so desensitized to sexism that we fail to see it as a real issue that is worth fighting for. Yet racism and other forms of discrimination or oppression are outwardly condemned by most reasonable people.
I do not think that all women need to be Clinton supporters, but I don't agree that support for Obama represents a more noble fight against oppression than support for Clinton. The issue of sexism is very real in this campaign in particular, because it can be denied with the excuse that "it isn't ANY woman I'm opposed to, it's just THIS woman." Quotes like these are indicative of the subconscious sexism that infiltrate our society, and the ways we all try to rationalize our desensitization to it. It is still there...and supporting the female candidate in this election is a fight against oppression...one that is as noble and as comprehensive as the one you believe your support for Obama is fighting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 02/22/2008
- ibsteve2u See Profile I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u permalink

Methinks that many women who had been caught up in the enthusiasm of the movement started remembering:

"Wait a minute - just what part of my life taught me that I can trust somebody absolutely just because she is also a woman?".

I'm sure a few months of watching Hillary - and her husband and her campaign staff - in action didn't hurt, of course...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 02/21/2008
- llp1 See Profile I'm a Fan of llp1 permalink

I have followed this campaign closely for the past year, and based my decision to switch my support from Obama to Hillary on her debate performances...She consistently had the most knowledge and command of the issues and was always the most specific and practical in her policy proposals.
Insinuating that women believe she is the best candidate simply because she is also a woman is actually quite offensive and doesn't give Hillary or her female supporters the credit they deserve. My own take on this is that women voters are able to allow themselves to accept Hillary as the most competent candidate *more* than male voters. Not all women will select Hillary...which is fine...but women are more open to that possibility compared to men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 02/22/2008
- Petey See Profile I'm a Fan of Petey permalink

Yes, if you're judging a candidate on the ability to package responses into smooth soundbites, then, I agree, Hillary defeats Obama. But, actually -- although I think Obama holds his own perfectly well in debates -- I support him for others skill sets.

While debating is a necessary part of becoming president, a bigger part of actually performing the job, I think, is the ability to give inspiring speeches, as well as conduct thoughtful, intimate conversations with advisors, politicians, adversaries, and interviewers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/22/2008
- vls See Profile I'm a Fan of vls permalink

I am always concerned when I see any "group" position for or against something. Was it important for them all to label themselves as "feminists"? What does it mean to us that they are against a woman instead of against a man? Is it important that they be "feminists" before anything else or any other title they may have. They cite Clinton's record with regard to Iraq, obviously Obama will look much better. He hasn't been around long enough to have any record of doing anything. Makes it quite easy to be liked by so many and not questioned as well. Unfortunately, we all know how the presidency has only so much to do with what gets changed in this country. I only wish that the same excited Obama supporters had shown up at the polls when we were trying to change the House to a greater democratic majority.