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Whose Religious Liberty Is It Anyway? A Question for America's Catholic Leaders

Posted: 11/17/11 10:30 AM ET

"Take this, all of you, and drink from it, for this the chalice of my blood, the blood of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Do this in memory of me." --Eucharistic Prayer IV from the Third Edition of the Roman Missal

This past Sunday, like other Catholics throughout the English speaking world, I sat in a pew and listened to yet another installment about the forthcoming changes to the Mass. Being in Church this past Sunday, I couldn't help but wonder whether I'm one of the former members of the "all" that will be lost in the "many" of the newly translated Eucharistic Prayer IV. It is amidst these changes and other issues facing the Church that I'm left asking why Catholics are not occupying the General Assembly of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) taking place in Washington, D.C. this week. Observing the proceedings of the General Assembly, it's clear that instead of listening to the concerns of the laity regarding this new translation, the USCCB and its leadership have decided to proclaim an attack on religious liberty.

As Catholics around the country stand in bewilderment as to the significance of words such as "dew fall," "oblation" and "coutenance" to their personal spiritual growth and communal celebration of the Mass, Archbishop Dolan attacked what he described as "a drive to neuter religion." At the episcopal gathering, the leadership has argued that government actions related to marriage equality and abortion rights infringe upon individual religious liberty. In fact, Bishop Lori of Bridgeport (who also serves as the Supreme Chaplain for the Knights of Columbus) characterized the United States Department of Justice's refusal to defend the Defense of Marriage Act "as an act of 'bias and prejudice' akin to racism, thereby implying that churches which teach that marriage is between a man and a woman are guilty of bigotry." The concern that I have with Bishop Lori's statement is that it denies the ability of the state to discern and develop a secular definition of marriage. Perhaps what Bishop Lori forgets is that marriage is not only a Catholic institution, but rather a legal state and sacrament in other religious and secular traditions. Further, Bishop Lori should be careful not to neuter secular institutions of their constitutional responsibility to protect the rights of all and not just the many.

Considering the bishops' statements, it's only natural that we ask the Catholic Church what makes its definition of marriage more accurate than that of other Christian communities? For example, the Episcopal Church, Anglican Church of Canada, Unitarian Universalists, Metropolitan Community Churches, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and others all provide blessings for same-sex unions and/or marriages. Isn't the Catholic Church infringing on the religious liberties of progressive (and I would argue prophetic) Christian communities that have embraced marriage equality? Yes.

For the Catholic Church to argue that its definition of marriage is the only true definition is to deny the validity of other religious traditions to in a discerning manner define their own practices and beliefs. Bishop Lori and Dolan's statements on religious liberty are dangerous, in that if accepted they threaten not only the principle of separation of church and state, but also the ability of the state as well as other religious traditions to exercise their own freedoms independent of the Catholic Church. Demanding that an entire society acquiesce to the USCCB and the Holy See's views on marriage acts to impede not only on the Halls of Congress, but also the mosques, churches, synagogues and other houses of worship that exercise a freedom of conscience that is not, and should not be, subject to Rome.

As the USCCB attacks efforts to pursue marriage equality and to protect the rights of women, I'm left wondering where the moral voice of the Church is on issues of social justice. As thousands of Americans take to the streets with the Occupy Wall Street movement (including many Catholics), Dolan and other leaders have remained silent even though the movement is well aligned with Catholic social teaching on economic justice. If the American Catholic Church were to focus its moral might on an issue like economic justice (in short, follow the Holy See's lead), they would be uniting rather than dividing Catholics and Americans. It saddens me to think that the American Church's episcopal leaders continue to speak out against secular definitions of marriage while failing to adequately respond to the great injustices of our time.

If the Church remains silent in the face of injustice and instead continues to use the religious liberty argument, and succeeds in bullying legislators to accept religious principles and beliefs as secular definitions, the all that are protected by the liberties enshrined in our Constitution may not merely become the many, but rather the few. As Catholics, we should occupy the pews and call out to the Church's leaders to be a voice for justice rather than an institution that seeks to infringe on the liberties of Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

When will Catholics start to occupy the United States Conference Catholic Bishops and diocesan offices across the country to demand a moral voice that focuses on Christ's message of love and justice?

 

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04:39 PM on 11/27/2011
This article was right to the point. Plain and simple. Thank you Joseph for exposing the truth. The Catholic Church crying out that they are the victim because marriage equality exists now in many states in our country is ludicrous. No one has ever told the bishops that they have to marry gay and lesbian people in church buildings, so until this happens the Catholic Church's argument is really stupid and inane. The bold-faced arrogance of such a leadership in ruin is unimaginable! This thing they call "The Church" has spent millions in lobbying to maintain DOMA as the law of the land. Meanwhile those who practice usury, the "1%", guilty of corporate greed, go unchallenged by this church. Christ didn't say anything in the scriptures about homosexuality, but had a lot to say about deceit and greedy rich people who were inhospitable toward the poor. The millions spent to lobby for discrimination against marriage equality could have helped to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoner, help the poor, and reach out to "the least of our brethren". This brood of vipers, these bishops and pope fail to see Christ in the poor. They wouldn't recognize Jesus today even if He looked them right in the eyes.
09:43 AM on 11/21/2011
Isn't the Catholic Church infringing on the religious liberties of progressive (and I would argue prophetic) Christian communities that have embraced marriage equality?

No, it's not. It finds homosexual marriages morally wrong, so why should it support it? I don't understand your reasoning. The fact that a *few* Christian churches in the past 20 years in the US and Western Europe (nowhere else, mind you) have agreed with SSM, doesn't mean that this is the correct definition of marriage. In the whole of Christianity, they represent less than 0.00001 of all Christians.

The point is that people who object to this "marriage" have every right NOT to take part in it. The objectors are not infringing on anyone's rights -- rather, if they don't have the freedom to abstain from taking part in these ceremonies, then their rights are being infringed upon.

Why don't you become familiar with the *hundreds* of worthy social justice causes the church is engaging in right now than bemoaning the fact that the Church doesn't bow to every secular social trend?
02:52 PM on 11/23/2011
The bishop's voice is just not very strong on social justice issues like campaigning against the vast income and wealth disparities between the rich and poor comparatively to their efforts against civil marriage equality. Also, that the Catholic Church has the right to refuse to do any marriage as it sees fit is not in dispute. All marriage equality advocates want is the right to civil marriage. Religions can do what they want with that. I cannot emphasize enough that the issue is civil, not religious marriage.
04:46 PM on 12/11/2011
Religious leaders who do not discriminate against gay couples currently perform wedding ceremonies for them that are not legally recognized, unlike the weddings those same officials celebrate for straight couples.
So I kinda disagree. It's mostly about civil marriage rights, but the freedom of religion is involved, too--just in 100% the opposite way than the people who scream about it claim that it does (note: allowing civil recognition for gay marriage does not have any affect on those who do not perform them, let alone infringe upon their rights; this is, frankly, really obvious if you didn't decide your conclusion before you started thinking about it).
04:15 PM on 12/11/2011
But they're NOT ust not taking part in it. They ARE infringing one others' rights.

That's the thing. They are opposing people's rights to do something other than what they want--and they are referring to this attack on religious freedom as.. er, "religious freedom". If people are free to have religious beliefs other than Catholicism, then the Catholic Church's freedom of religion is hindered.
That's like calling water a "towel".

Oh, and at some point we get to the point that their arguments make no sense and contradict the things that Jesus actually stood for, but that's an argument to take place within the church.
09:35 AM on 11/21/2011
"As Catholics around the country stand in bewilderment as to the significance of words such as "dew fall," "oblation" and "coutenance" to their personal spiritual growth and communal celebration of the Mass..."

I'm pleased by the new translations. Quite simply, they're more accurate. Is there a problem with learning new words? Ten minutes spent with a dictionary will clear up any confusion for you and will shed light on deeper meanings of the liturgy.
05:50 PM on 11/27/2011
You are pleased that "many" go to Heaven. That's nice, but aren't you at all disturbed by your implication that some human beings are tortured for all eternity in hell because the Eucharistic prayer now no longer states that " He died for all so that sins may be forgiven"? Instead he died now for "many", implying that the Salvific act at Calgary was insuffient and couldn't save all people. What kind of a god do you proclaim? One that is not only able but willing to torture souls without end? Punishment without a lesson to be learned psychologically is even sick in the minds of most people. You fail to acknowledege the immeasureable mercy and infinite love of the true and living God. Salvation is ultimately universal, yet people like you actually enjoy the idea that "others" will suffer in hell forever, even after they know the pain of their transgressions. What kind of person are you! Your god is one of the most cruel, sadistic beings that has ever been imagined in the human mind.
04:18 PM on 12/11/2011
Literal translations don't always work very well. That's why translation programs and websites often produce gibberish, and why people who translate for others are frequently called "interpreters" instead of just "translators".

You need to translate the meaning, to translate the thing as a whole, not the individual words. So, since only a few words are changing, the whole thing is silly.
12:05 AM on 11/21/2011
"For the Catholic Church to argue that its definition of marriage is the only true definition is to deny the validity of other religious traditions to in a discerning manner define their own practices and beliefs." ----> Umm, hello, it's called having an opinion. That's why you have it, because you think it's right and all the rest are wrong. Opinions can't be all-inclusive, lest you fall into contradiction. Neither can the law, that gets us nowhere. Only one view can prevail. The church wants its view to be the law, that's what everyone wants, that's what everyone tries to do.
04:22 PM on 12/11/2011
No, some of us want freedom (of religion in particular, in this case), so that the things that everybody wants are all legal unless they infringe upon the rights of others or do them harm.

Catholic officials, or other groups, acting like the law allowing something they don't do infringes upon their rights? Completely insane.
And really dangerous--some day, your church might be disfavored. You want to have no religious freedom because the dominant church has redefined religious freedom to mean "We don't like Catholics"? Then maybe you shouldn't be arguing that that's what religious freedom means.
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Grada3784
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03:03 PM on 11/18/2011
A Know Nothing is a Know Nothing is a Know Nothing. The only difference in this regard between 1850 and 2011 has been roles have changed somewhat.
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Nate35
10:48 AM on 11/18/2011
Have you been to most Catholic Churches recently? Most of them have a hard time occupying anything but a hospital bed.
09:25 AM on 11/21/2011
Looks you haven't been to a church lately. Last Sunday I saw lots of young couples with children -- I know, what a terrible thing! In fact, many young Catholics are rejecting this lame boomer Catholicism that equates whatever society is doing as right and "progressive".
05:57 PM on 11/27/2011
The only firsthand experience I have disagrees with your sentiment. There were 2 catholic parishes in my small town in upstate New York. Now there is one, and the pews that once were full in both are close to empty. I went to Rome 10 years ago, and these huge churches there, that probably were full at one time, are almost empty for Mass. Even Catholicism in Rome has been reduced to a bunch of old ladies lighting candles.
04:31 PM on 12/11/2011
I'd like to see a church in a hospital bed. 'Twould be an interesting sight indeed!
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Brygida Biedro
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06:50 AM on 11/18/2011
In my opinion the Chatolic Chruch wants to take part in legislative works of many countries, it also has problems with keeping the separation of Church and State as well as it constantly believes in its superior position among Christian Churches. It is then no surprise to me that the Catholic Church in the USA tries to do the same in the matter of marriage and any other equality rights for women for example. That is a sad truth that keeps people around the world leaving the structures of the Chruch. I am happy though that there are people like the author of the article who are trying to raise these questions and are not affraid of any kind of Church "punishment". Thank you for that article.
12:42 AM on 11/18/2011
Hello, I happen to be Catholic as well and let's just say we agree to disagree with your views of the Church, USCCB, and the changes in the new missal. I happen to support what is taking place as well as the vast Majority of the Laity...Same sex unions as well as gay marriage has never been accepted in any Christian community until here recently. You act as though this is some kind of well established tradition with a history to support your views yet you neglect that which has been embraced for thousands and thousands of years by all the above Faiths...Your views represent a very small percentage of all faith communities...What I really would like to know is who made you the authority on what Catholics believe and accept... Is it possible you got to big for your britches working with the post? I pray that you will accept my concern for your disposition and yet I am commanded to Love you as well as those who support your views... So please pray for me as I pray for you...Yours in Christ Charlie O
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Joseph Amodeo
09:37 AM on 11/18/2011
Dear Charlie,

Thank you for sharing your views on the issues I've presented. Just as your comment is a statement of views, so is my article intended to be a statement of my personal views which I have discerned. I do not seek to present my article as the only perspective nor do I present myself as "the authority," but rather one perspective among many.

One need only read the works of our faith's great theologians and thinkers to witness that we are not always in agreement on every issue, which I would argue is part of the beauty of Catholicism. If we were always in agreement, there would be no need for councils to address the big questions of our time.

As to your point regarding marriage, the vast majority of Americans - and Catholics - do support marriage equality. This is supported by a 2011 study conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute; the study found that:

"Nearly three-quarters of Catholics favor either allowing gay and lesbian people to marry (43%) or allowing them to form civil unions (31%). Only 22% of Catholics say there should be no legal recognition of a gay couple’s relationship."

The survey also found that:

"If marriage for gay couples is defined as a civil marriage “like you get at city hall,” Catholic support for allowing gay couples to marry increases by 28 points, from 43% to 71%."

Again, thank you for your comments. Please be assured of my prayers.

Peace,
Joseph
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:33 PM on 11/19/2011
The latter statistic also means that when the bishops claim to 'represent Catholic voters' on these issues in their lobbying and leaning on governmental officials.... they're lying.

They don't represent as many voters as they claim to.
12:10 AM on 11/21/2011
Uuuuh, so what? The church is not democracy. Is divine law subject to the random whims of whatever is trendy nowadays? What would happen if 72% support of Catholics were in favor of bullying gay teens? Then what?
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05:26 PM on 11/18/2011
"Sa­me sex unions as well as gay marriage has never been accepted in any Christian community until here recently. You act as though this is some kind of well establishe­d tradition with a history to support your views"

His view boils down to, "Catholics' right to religious freedom does not give them the right to define marriage for non-Catholics." This is based on the well-established tradition of American religious freedom, over 220 years old.

" you neglect that which has been embraced for thousands and thousands of years by all the above Faiths"

Just "thousands". Two thousand. Let's not get carried away.

To your point, the same argument has been made before. Against two thousand years of Christian tradition, who cares about the mere forty years we've tolerated interracial marriage, or the ninety years we've allowed women to vote, or even the 150 years we've prohibited slavery? "Tradition" is the last rallying cry of people who can't win the intellectual debate. If that's your best argument, you've already lost.

Indeed, suffrage is an object lesson. Catholicism opposed allowing women to vote but nations did it anyway. In 2015 even Saudi Arabia plans to enfranchise women. If it does, the only nation where women can't vote will be Vatican City. My point is that Catholics don't have to embrace every social policy as a religious dogma. If you can live in a world where women vote, you can survive in a world where gays marry.
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
01:59 PM on 11/17/2011
Thank you for this article.

The Catholic Church still has a hidebound view that the temporal order (Caesar/civil government) is subject to the 'higher' dictates of the spiritual order. Hence, it will never render unto Caesar/civil government its due. It believes itself morally bound to impose its views on everyone, Catholic or not, all of the time, by using secular instruments of government to its advantage.
10:00 PM on 11/20/2011
Well, sure. It thinks it is right.

There are good Catholic arguments to be made for prudentially being respectful of the secular law. But when push comes to shove, how does any religious person privilege the secular law over what they believe to be divine law?
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
01:39 PM on 11/21/2011
It's the idea of 'divine law' that is the problem here: the doctrine of natural moral law, divinely inspired, revealed through nature. Nothing supports such views, and they are historically an import from -4th and -3rd century Greek philosophy, as are ideas of right and wrong conscience within Catholicism.

As for your question :: how does any religious person privilege the secular law over what they believe to be divine law? :: morals are something a particular person lives by in living together with others. Imposing one's beliefs about morality upon others can hardly be considered condoned by 'divine law'. It is rather a religious stricture imposed as it were from above with each religious tradition having very different ideas about morality. Our secular law reflects more what we can agree upon as actually harmful to our living together. Among such things, I believe, are religious doctrines that attempt to override secular, politically determined laws.

Our politics reflects our common values in living together...not some set of religiously derived absolute statements that are, in their sequelae, often immoral.
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john1513
Ora et Labora
01:04 PM on 11/17/2011
“Religious business owners like florists, bakers, musicians, or photographers would not have been able to decline to participate in a same-sex marriage ceremony. This violation of rights is not hypothetical. A Christian photographer in New Mexico was found by that state’s Human Rights Commission to have engaged in illegal discrimination after the company declined to photograph a samesex ceremony. A Methodist church in New Jersey lost its tax-exempt status for declining to allow a same-sex couple to marry in a pavilion it owned.

“The separation of church and state we so cherish here in America is as much about protecting religious bodies from government interference as it is the other way around. And rightly so: We cannot freely worship (or choose not to worship) God if government officials have the power to tell us how to do so. Sadly, there has been a growing trend of government intrusion into the institutional and administrative life of the Church.

http://www­.mdcathcon­.org/libra­ry/resourc­es/RLLaunc­h/Religiou­sLibertySt­atementbyM­dBishops.p­df
bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
02:16 PM on 11/17/2011
Yety the Catholic Church has no compunctions about interfering in other people's lives and US law. It has no problem accepting a tax abatement, or federal funds to run its programs, but heaven forbid it allow even non-catholics to enjoy same sex marriage or a woman the right to choose. In the perception of the Church, religious freedom is a one way street- theirs. What about mine? what about the rights of gays and women? What about non-Christians and their religious freedoms?
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john1513
Ora et Labora
03:47 PM on 11/17/2011
"A Christian photograph­er in New Mexico was found by that state’s Human Rights Commission to have engaged in illegal discrimina­tion after the company declined to photograph a samesex ceremony."

This is not simply "freedom" or "gay rights." It's about forcing others, especially religions to support and promote "same-sex marriage." Churches are not protected by these bills.
06:10 PM on 11/17/2011
"A Christian photograph­er in New Mexico was found by that state’s Human Rights Commission to have engaged in illegal discrimina­tion "

becuase she violated laws banning discrimination in public services on the basis of religion and
sexual orientaion? Special rights, anyone?

A Methodist church in New Jersey lost its tax-exempt status for declining to allow a same-sex couple to marry in a pavilion it owned.

A flat out lie. The pavillion was not the church. Nor did it lose its tax exmpt staus-- just a sales tax exemption. Marriage equality is not the law in NJ, so there was no marriage involved. They gave up their exemption. Now, they can discirminate all they want.
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03:45 AM on 11/21/2011
Oddly, the Christian photographer would not have been brought before the Commission if an excuse like being busy on the date in question had been offered. The illegal discrimination was based on the photographer's compulsion to share a 'Christian' attitude of hatred, disgust and damnation with the customer. Maybe the lesson there is 'if you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all.'
08:04 PM on 11/27/2011
Thank you for sorting out the lies and half-truths that John1513 ascribes to. Hey John.... lies in the name of God are still lies, even worse. They are using the Lord's name in vain. Now go to confession... oh wait.... I liar can't absolve a liar.
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john1513
Ora et Labora
01:03 PM on 11/17/2011
"concerns of the laity regarding this new translation"

What concerns? The new translation is more accurate. What's wrong with more accuracy?

"the American Church's episcopal leaders... failing to adequately respond to the great injustices of our time"

The definition of marriage between a man and a woman is not a great injustice of our time. With regards to other injustices of our time, I encourage you to read more Church documents and encyclicals on poverty, morality, theology, justice, sexuality, etc. ( www.vatican.va,www.usccb.org) as well as explore the Catholic charities, missionaries, and religious orders around the world who dedicate their lives to helping the most vulnerable, and the 1 billion Catholics who give their prayers, finances, and support of them. Furthermore, I'd challenge you to name anyone who has done more.

From the Catholic Bishops of Maryland:

“the recognition that the union of a man and woman is the only possible source – and their married relationship the best possible environment – for the children who will become society’s next generation. Efforts to alter society’s longstanding definition of marriage distort this important reality. Moreover, and despite protestations to the contrary, they infringe upon the religious liberties of individuals and institutions that acknowledge heterosexual marriage not only as a fact of nature but also as an article of faith.

http://www.mdcathcon.org/library/resources/RLLaunch/ReligiousLibertyStatementbyMdBishops.pdf
02:58 PM on 11/17/2011
"Moreover, and despite protestati­ons to the contrary, they infringe upon the religious liberties of individual­s and institutio­ns that acknowledg­e heterosexu­al marriage not only as a fact of nature but also as an article of faith."

So, they are in favor of infringing upon the religious liberties of individual­s as long as it's not their own.
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busterggi
I'm a Sally Randian
03:45 PM on 11/17/2011
Of course!

Its Jesus's will don'tcha know?
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john1513
Ora et Labora
03:51 PM on 11/17/2011
As shown in the above examples, what some are claiming to be "freedom" or "gay rights" is more concerned with forcing others, especially religions, to support and promote "same-sex marriage." Churches are not protected in these bills.
11:00 AM on 11/18/2011
No one claims that the definiton of marriage between a man and woman is an injustice.

The injestice is that gay people are not allowed to get married. World of difference.