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My Ex is Homosexual, Does This Affect Child Custody?

Posted: 08/18/11 03:41 AM ET

In today's world, with a growth in diversity and a growing acceptance of equality in society, it is not uncommon for one of the divorcing parties in a child custody case to be homosexual.

Particularly in cases of divorce, this can raise many emotions for the other spouse and may cloud their view of the things that the court can and will consider when determining custody of a child.

In theory, the government, including the courts, cannot discriminate against you based on your sexual preference. However, as a practical matter, it could make your divorce more difficult depending on where you live.

In a recognition state, for example, it should not be an issue, and the judge would need to be very careful as there could be discrimination claims.

A number of states have upheld rulings that judges cannot consider the sexual preferences of a parent in determining custody unless there is clear, convincing evidence that there will be some harm brought to the child, or some type of adverse affect on the child.

It would be a legal error for a judge to enter an order that stated that a parent received or lost custody based on factors including the sexual orientation of a parent. Courts equate that classification to making a parenting decision based on race; it is prohibited.

However, in non-recognition states it will likely depend on the judge's personal opinions on the matter, though he or she probably won't come out and say it. Judges can hide behind the ambiguous "moral fitness" factor that is used by many states as one of the "best interest of the children" factors considered when determining child custody.

Typically, these states coincide with a judicial mentality that a homosexual parent is less fit than a heterosexual parent, no matter the faults of the heterosexual parent.

In one of the more famous cases, the Mississippi Supreme Court refused to allow a minor son to live with his gay father, even though the child's mother married a man with a history of violence and substance abuse who repeatedly beat her in front of the boy. The state's highest court upheld that judge's decision, but it did reverse the same judge's order that the father's long-term partner could not be in the home--a home they owned together--when the child visited his father.

That prompted a debate: Can the court restrict children from exposure to homosexual partners of a parent and/or environments where there may be homosexual people present?

Excluding the gender of the "new flame," the main concern to most judges is introduction of any significant other during the pendency of the divorce actions.

Judges become upset when they find out that one parent has moved in their significant other and introduced him or her to the kids while the case is pending.

So if Wife left Husband and moved in with her girlfriend, the concern would be that she is exposing the child to any romantic relationship, not just a same-sex one, while the children are still coping with the fact that their parents are separating.

The fact remains that discrimination against homosexual parents after a heterosexual divorce does exist in places and from time to time it could factor into a judge's decision, even if on a subconscious level.

But as outlined in my book "The 10 Stupidest Mistakes Men Make When Facing Divorce," a father who spends time with his children, supports his children, can feed, clothe and entertain his children, etc., deserves time with his children whether he prefers men or women in love.

Joseph Cordell is the Principal Partner of Cordell & Cordell, a nationwide domestic litigation firm focused on men's family law matters. Cordell & Cordell also provides a website dedicated to informing men on the divorce process and the challenges they face. Visit http://www.dadsdivorce.com for more information.

 
In today's world, with a growth in diversity and a growing acceptance of equality in society, it is not uncommon for one of the divorcing parties in a child custody case to be homosexual. Particula...
In today's world, with a growth in diversity and a growing acceptance of equality in society, it is not uncommon for one of the divorcing parties in a child custody case to be homosexual. Particula...
 
 
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Erin Mantz
09:50 AM on 08/22/2011
Everyone can talk about whether or not it's "legal" for a judge to make a custody decision based on if one parent leaves another for a same-sex partner, but the reality is many times that judge's personal feelings have power and will come through. If he/she is a homophobe, the gay parent is doomed. Even if cases like these never get to court, the gay parent has to live in fear until her kids are 18 as the threat of court and potential bias is always around the corner.
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capt hastings
exercise the little grey cells
04:22 AM on 08/21/2011
Sexual orientation will continue to be a custody issue (and the basis for other discriminatory practices) until we all confront our prejudices and change them - on a personal level and then in the actual statutes.

Raising compassionate & curious children is my husband's and my primary goal as parents. I think we're good parents because we're thoughtful about parenting which is not a trait reserved to two-parent or different-gender parent families.
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Jakesmom
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
01:42 AM on 08/20/2011
I found out my ex-husband was gay when I found the photos. He became addicted to crystal meth, harassed me, and almost killed me. He is now HIV positive, and has no relationship with our son. That is not because he is gay, but because of his anger and drug use. He still had, up until a few years ago, joint custody. I asked for full custody so that I could make the decisions for my son without harassment from my ex-husband.

I just feel that if you are a good person and want to be a good parent, you can be. If my brother, who is also gay, had ever become a parent, I think that child would have been very lucky. In my case, there were a lot of other factors that affected his ability to be a parent, but my ex-husband's sexual orientation wasn't one of them. His ability to deal with his addictions, and his emotional problems were really the issue.

For anyone who has to deal with this, please ask yourself what your child needs, because loving parents who stick around, who pay support, and are emotionally available will only help your child in the future, and how could you not want that?

I hope that I am not offending anyone; that's not my goal, only to relate my experience, as I would not wish it on anyone.
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cityprof
05:13 AM on 08/25/2011
No. I am gay. You didn't offend me. You dealt with the problems exactly as you should have erring probably too much on the side of compassion.
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Jakesmom
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
01:09 AM on 08/26/2011
Thank you, although I don't know if that is necessarily the case; I was in shock then, and then scared because of what was going on. I think I've grown a lot since then, but I don't know if anything could have changed the eventual outcome.
11:36 PM on 08/19/2011
Divorces are before a judge and not a jury. The sole issue before the judge in custody cases is "the best interest of the child." Consequently, the issue of one of the parties being a homosexual TECHNICALLY should not even be in issue re custody.cases but judges WILL consider this factor as the judge decides the best interests of the child. (Whether the judge admits it or not.)
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LouGots
08:36 PM on 08/19/2011
The trouble with making up words as we go along is that some of them are already taken, and hilarity ensues.

For Example: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025164/
07:28 PM on 08/19/2011
Simply being accused of being gay during a divorce is enough to cause a big hassle in custody disputes. Divorce attorneys know this. My ex accused me of everything under the sun and threw that one in to make things even more difficult.
07:18 PM on 08/20/2011
My ex used to ask me if I was gay before the divorce. I said that it was just him. He took it figuratively; I meant it literally.
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
06:05 PM on 08/19/2011
Or what you could do is just be you. If you're homosexual don't try to cover it up and marry someone of the opposite sex. Take pride in who you are and don't hide it or cover it up. It seems all it can do is cause problems down the road, as well as ruin future potential families if it falls apart after any possible children.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
06:43 PM on 08/19/2011
In theory that is sound advice, but only if we lived in a world where things were absolutes, or black and white. Things are more often than not tinged with shades of gray, so while I kind of agree with you on one level, from a practical standpoint your advice doesn't always stand up.
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Since59
Read, learn, repeat
01:35 AM on 08/20/2011
Well said.
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angelcakesinc
Silence is death
01:59 AM on 08/20/2011
Very few gay people enter straight marriages (without the knowledge of their partner) these days. Many, if not most, of the cases where this happens are marriages that happened decades ago, back when it was not only dangerous, but sometimes downright deadly to be openly gay, or even suspected of being gay. What's the best way to not be suspected of being gay? Why, I can't think of a better solution than marrying someone of the opposite sex and having a kid or three.
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Jakesmom
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
09:47 AM on 08/20/2011
angelcakesinc, I don't know why your response to my posting was moderated and is not showing up, although I am able to read it. All I can say is that I appreciated it more than probably anyone could ever understand, and I wanted to say thank you. Sometimes I have a hard time writing about it because I don't think I'm expressing myself that well, but you set my mind at ease. Again, thank you, and I hope you have a wonderful day, because your response certainly made mine better, and that doesn't happen that often.
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jmoser1973
It is what it is.
11:04 PM on 09/21/2011
Believe it or not, it still happens. Epecially to people in a strict religious home or sometimes small towns. Some have low self esteem and don't know how to come out. my partner Is in her first lesbian relationship. She was with a man for 16 years before that but not married. She was never happy but settled cause she thought she would be wrong for being gay. He was much older then her and they even slept in seperate bedrooms. She blamed his snoring. lol I have spent the last 2 years building up her self esteem that she never had.
In case your wondering, I didn't turn her gay. She found me. Her mom says this is the happiest she has ever seen her 43 year old daughter.
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Matt Chernesky
Little Gay Monster on HuffPost
04:44 PM on 08/19/2011
Hope this changes by the time I'm a few years older... only 17 at the moment.
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CrazyThisIs
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind
05:20 PM on 08/19/2011
Hoping right there with you, Matt. Cheers!
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Since59
Read, learn, repeat
05:54 PM on 08/19/2011
Matt, it's your generation's turn to make this a better, more compassionate world. Us old folks have made a mess of it!
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Skeptical Cicada
04:27 PM on 08/19/2011
This column is riddled with errors that do not reflect highly on the competence of the attorney writing it.

Most basically it is absolutely false that American courts treat sexual orientation discrimination the same as race discrimination. That is a fight that the gay community is engaged in but has not yet won.

The author's use of gay-hostile terminology--"homosexual" and "sexual preference"--is also like fingernails on a chalkboard to many gay people and shows how unfamiliar the author even is with the gay community and our issues.
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rysagr
whip me beat me just don't bore me to death
04:19 PM on 08/19/2011
but the big story on action news
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
03:08 PM on 08/19/2011
The man already takes it up his fourth point of contact in family law. Being gay just means he does that outside the courtroom as well.
jrfromdallas
Who you calling a jive turkey?
02:43 PM on 08/19/2011
It should....especially if you had unprotected sex with anyone other than your spouse while you were married.
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Lesperado
glad I wasn't born conservative
03:24 PM on 08/19/2011
That is true whether you are homo or heterosexual.
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kenhamlett
04:12 PM on 08/19/2011
Exactly. But, it is interesting, isn't it, that jrfromdallas never even considered that it would be a problem if the individual was heterosexual. That comment illustrates the issue in one sentence as well as the entire article.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
04:23 PM on 08/19/2011
Because straight people don't have unprotected sex? Really?
02:29 PM on 08/19/2011
I was one of the many children who grew up with the constant threat that my (lesbian) mother needed to keep her ex (my father) happy or he could go to court and yank her custody at any time. It came up regularly. Which I'm sure didn't help her in child support disputes.

So I just want to remind people that this is our historical norm and I'm happy there are at least some states where it's no longer condoned.
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BigGayInc
04:09 PM on 08/19/2011
How awful for your mom and for you. Living under that type of pressure could not have been easy. I'm glad you both got through it.
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Erin Mantz
09:45 AM on 08/22/2011
That must have been very stressful for your mother. I hope she is happy. Good for her for following her heart.
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TurnSeiki
Black Conservative
02:18 PM on 08/19/2011
Until there are 8 decades of case study proving the opposite, the best environment for a child is ONE mom and ONE dad. To condone the relationship is to suggest that it is not abnormal. If people can make an argument about one parent being a Christian and the other an atheist, this sure as hell is far more destructive than that. It just sets up a terrible situation. Each parent will try to justify their ire towards the other. I'd say just don't be gay. Stick to the plan.
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02:43 PM on 08/19/2011
Yes, we all know YOUR kind. I'm sure in your world that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs in the garden of eden too, right?
05:10 PM on 08/19/2011
One does not need religion or creationist theory to understand biological design. Nature gives us only one proper way (or even possible if you factor out scientific interference) to produce children. That is how it is supposed to work, that is how a family unit is supposed to be structured.

Cute though, how you assume being against homosexuality is somehow religiously motivated.
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TurnSeiki
Black Conservative
05:51 PM on 08/19/2011
No need to be combative. You liberals love your free speech. But you sure can't take it when someone challenges your position. You can live your life however you want. But don't go preaching to me about how I should accept your positions.
03:32 PM on 08/19/2011
They want it both ways. They were born that way so you must accept them. They want custody and are trustworthy, good parents. And there is absolutely no room for criticism that they are untrustworthy liars (how could they not be if they were married and had children yet were born that way, I wonder??). If you criticize or call them hypocrits you are obviously a hate-filled bigot who should be demonized at all times.
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BigGayInc
05:39 PM on 08/19/2011
You are incorrect. In the majority of cases, certainly in the past, good parents who happened to be gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered were discriminated against simply for who they are. As a gay man I tell you this-I prefer the child or children to go to the best parent, regardless of sexual orientation. The same cannot be said for the many that discriminate against us. They would prefer that the child or children ONLY go to the straight parent no matter how bad he or she is or how good the gay parent is.
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yannb
Noblesse oblige
02:04 PM on 08/19/2011
A good friend of mine was married with 4 children and leading a normal family life, providing for everybody, until the day he got tired of his wife cheating on him. He asked for a divorce. Things got nasty, and it was eventually found that he's gay (although abstinent during his marital years). He lost everything in court: house, assets, custody, etc.... He literally had to build his life from the ground up all over again (he was in his mid 40s). Ten years down the line, he's happy again, has found a great partner with whom he lives, and all of his 4 kids have supported him. But he still pays alimony to his ex wife, although she's wealthier than him.
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BigGayInc
04:10 PM on 08/19/2011
Just curious-which state did this happen in?
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yannb
Noblesse oblige
06:18 PM on 08/19/2011
I don't know if I should say. Did you recognize anyone? It's a quite liberal north midwestern state, in one of the most liberal cities in the US.
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GeorgieMark
Cogito Ergo Sum
04:45 PM on 08/19/2011
I'll try not to come off as criticising your friend, but since he is gay why did he deny his nature and live a lie?
Of course it is no small task to rise and stand for what you are when you're faced with a fiercely ultra conservative society but still.... Why did he live a lie?
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BigGayInc
05:20 PM on 08/19/2011
I'll try not to come off as criticisin­g your friend, but since he is gay why did he deny his nature and live a lie?
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Fair question. Societal pressure to conform is very strong. Also depends on how you were raised, if you were raised in a religious household, where you raised and how your family feels about homosexuality. All makes a difference. Of course this is simply my own opinion.
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yannb
Noblesse oblige
06:21 PM on 08/19/2011
I understand your questions, and have asked him myself. I'm also gay, and I could never marry and have kids as he did. He married quite young, and he probably was confused. But I'm not exactly sure. He comes from a blue-collar background, and he became and MD. First kid in his family to achieve some "social stature". He might have felt pressured to show how successful his life was. After getting married, his first daughter was born. Then a second one, etc... He has "wasted" many years of his life living a big lie, but I do envy him when I see him with his kids. I never will have that.