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Joseph Freeman

Posted: September 16, 2009 10:52 AM

Egyptian Minister Forced to Apologize for Threatening to Burn Books About Israel

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Between Joe Wilson's outbreak in Congress, Kanye West's tantrum at the MTV music awards, and Serena Williams's meltdown at the US Open, the media has had plenty of mea culpas to focus on this week. All these other events, however, may have obscured the most important apology uttered recently. That dubious distinction belongs to Egypt's minister of culture, Farouk Hosny, who wants to be the next Director General of Unesco, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.

As Michael Slackman of the New York Times reported, the 71-year-old Hosny is more liberal than many of his Egyptian counterparts, and has criticized women's use of the hijab, or Islamic headscarf.

But in 2008, Hosny publicly said that he would burn all the books in Alexandria's library that had anything to do with Israel. He also called Israeli culture "racist." During his tenure as minister of culture, Hosny banned Israeli books and films, most notably The Band's Visit, a film about an Egyptian musical ensemble lost in a small, sand-blown Israeli town who eventually develop a bond with some of the resident Israelis.

According to reports, Hosny apologized in May but opposition to his appointment remains intense, with prominent Jewish voices like Elie Wiesel and Bernard-Henri Levy registering their disapproval. Other solid candidates for the position from Japan, Russia, and Africa have also emerged.

As part of his apology, Hosny promised to help commission the translation of Israeli writers into Arabic, but that's a wait-and-see if there ever was one.

In his recent column in the New York Times, Roger Cohen argues that we should forgive Hosny, let bygones be bygones, and embrace this potentially transformative figure in the Middle East. I happen to agree, but not wholeheartedly. Should we forgive Hosny? How meaningful is his apology? Should we really dismiss his threats to burn books? I might expect this from the minister of hyperbole, but it's a little unfitting for a minister of culture of an influential country that has a peace treaty with Israel.

Should the international community forgive Hosny? Or should it take a page out of Congress' playbook and have the UN scold him a la Joe Wilson?

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Between Joe Wilson's outbreak in Congress, Kanye West's tantrum at the MTV music awards, and Serena Williams's meltdown at the US Open, the media has had plenty of mea culpas to focus on this week. Al...
Between Joe Wilson's outbreak in Congress, Kanye West's tantrum at the MTV music awards, and Serena Williams's meltdown at the US Open, the media has had plenty of mea culpas to focus on this week. Al...
 
 
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Joseph Freeman
10:37 AM on 09/17/2009
And just to fill a hole or two, both the Times of London and The Guardian ran pieces on this yesterday. I'm at a public computer in Heathrow so you will have to search for them the old fashioned way, by going to their sites. Also, a little older but noteworthy is the complete rundown on the drama from start to finis by a great Egyptian blog, I believe it's called Bikyaegypt.wordpress.com or bikraegypt or a variation of that. i'm fuzzy with jet lag. It has Hosny's quoted response, claiming what he meant by burning books comment was that there were no books there at the time. So something was either really lost in translation or Hosny is downplaying what he said.
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Joseph Freeman
09:55 AM on 09/17/2009
While I took some umbrage at Graham's tone and horseblasting and apparent attempt to discredit me in HP's eyes, not to mention the fact that my responses aimed at keeping the conversation going with him were just met with more evidence of allegedly abysmal reporting skills, the dude in canada has a point. While I knew about BHL I was behind on his posts on HP. Sometimes the easiest things to find are right before your eyes, so if I owe Graham a nod, it's to keeping me vigilant on that. Still, I made clear from the beginning, or at least thought it was apparent that I was not saying anything new except that all this apologizing reminded me of this lingering apology (if you read his quotes about never wanting to slander Jewish culture after being accused of doing it, that sounds apologetic to me). All my info came from The NY Times who have been following it closely both in Cairo and from afar. I was summing all that up, because this story will soon be huge, and it's been on my mind, and when something that will be huge is on my mind, I blog about it. That's kind of the deal. And now let me smoke the peace pipe will Graham the Canadian man.
09:20 AM on 09/17/2009
There is no reason to be apologizing to GrahamInCanada. Hosni's candidacy comes with some discomforting baggage. He has a cultural, if not political, bias against Israel and Judaism. Will he rise above it if he is head of UNESCO. No one can say for sure. Should UNESCO elect him. Reasonable people can disagree. But Graham's pugnacious attempt to stifle discussion of this issue through his ad homenim attacks on the blogger are objectionable. Moreover, his equivalency between the hateful propoganda of Protocol of the Elders of Zion, which was distributed with the intent to incite and cause harm, and cultural gems of Judaism, suggests and ugly stain in his rhetorical zeal.
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Joseph Freeman
08:05 PM on 09/16/2009
Graham, here's the BHL link, you've obviously read it, it's from two days ago, how is this issue not fresh?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernardhenri-levy/an-appeal-to-world-leader_b_286126.html
10:04 PM on 09/16/2009
That is his latest post, and despite what I think about it, it is contemporaneous, it is about the debate as it exists now, not when Mr. Levy first made his accusations in May.

Since all your readers here on HP have been following this story contemporaneously and are well ahead of the "news" you think you are reporting, your take is not fresh. Maybe it is fresh to readers of other sources, like the NYT, where still, if you reported this today, you would not be fresh. You have not reported anything that has happened since May, for example.

That you can report on a story and not know that the original source is your own publisher and not check the original source or answer any of your own questions about the story, which answers are available from your own publisher, that is the worse thing I have ever read on the HP.

If you were going to report on this as eyes and ears, you should have reported that some of the old world media outlets are just tagging on to this story, late and inaccurately, but no...

This article did not deserve to be posted on the HP, but in some small town weekly review of months old news.
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Joseph Freeman
07:47 PM on 09/16/2009
I will admit I was unaware of BHL's mistranslation, and apologize (see, another sorry) if I unwillingly spread an untrue or misconstrued translation. It was not meant to show bias, after all I say I agree that he should be appointed! Still, did he not call Israeli culture racist and band Israeli movies? And he's the culture minister? That deserves saying, because as it shows, it's not one isolated incident or a mistake about an Egyptian idiom (what's this idiom though, I'm interested as I'm about to move to Egypt and don't want to tell someone I love them and have it mistranslated as I will burn your books).
09:57 PM on 09/16/2009
Does somebody hold a gun to your head, that you unwilling spread mistranslations, or did you mean unwittingly?

On that, I said that you exaggerated an existing improper translation. What you said Mr. Hosni said was sourced from Mr. Levy, which you obviously didn't know even though the source was published on the HP. I did not say you spread Mr. Levy's translation, I said that you exaggerated even that.

Why should anybody debate you or take you seriously when you think repeating gossip is reporting?
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Joseph Freeman
07:41 PM on 09/16/2009
You are way off the mark here, but I'm sorry to have obviously enraged you. What's the correct idiom? Throw the books? Read them? Translate them? Come on. I'm not covering a news flash, I'm bringing an old story back.

It's obvious there was no original reporting on this piece besides the group of articles I read in blatantly biased New York Times. It's a BLOG and a story I've been following, though that may not have been obvious since I don't take shots at articles I either dislike or hold in contempt.

And I never indicated that he apologized today. The headline may have been misleading, indicating this just happened, but I didn't write the headline. Still, it's entirely relevant chief. I was merely giving a round-up on the stuff already out there. As with many things, just because it has graced the pages of the HP and you and your friends have hotly debated it in comment sections does not mean the issue has been handled and dealt with. It's not an end to the discussion but a discussion starter. Life goes on in Egypt, who woulda thought? To deal with your concern with the breaking news aspect of this. The UN is starting to debate this thing itself THIS WEEK. Is that not news?

Roger Cohen (as I stated above) wrote his column less than a week ago. Guess he's a moron too. Are you going to read him the riot act?
09:51 PM on 09/16/2009
I'll just assume you are referring to me when you say somebody is way off the mark. At the bottom of any post is a "reply" button, so that you can thread your comments into the conversation in a way that makes it easier to understand you.

I meant what I said, you failed to write to your audience. This story started with an open letter in English and French signed by Bernard-Henri Levi and Elie Wiesel and Claude Lanzmann and published simultaneously in Le Monde and Huffington Post where outrageous and original accusations were made against Mr. Hosni.

You failed to research your story that you did not know it started here in the HP, nor the further articles Mr. Levi has posted here, becoming more and more outrageous, as first Israel sided against Mr. Levi, and then it became obvious Mr. Hosni was not hurt by the accusations, and would probably be elected. All stories throughout the world on this topic are sourced from or in reaction to Mr. Levi's articles in English and French in HP and Le Monde.

Mr. Levi said that what you call an apology is not an apology, right here on the HP.
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Joseph Freeman
10:01 AM on 09/17/2009
Bro, I think I conceded as much. Thanks for the watchful eye.
05:41 PM on 09/16/2009
Mr. Freeman's report here is the worse thing I have ever read on the HP.

First of all, as the eyes and ears reporter, how could he not know that this is not a news flash, but that this has been hotly debated right here on the HP for months. This breathless, plebeian report ignores the main skill of a writer: address your audience.

Ever since Mr. Bernard-Henry Levy of France started this agenda against Mr. Hosni, right here on the HP, HP readers have been engaged in this story. Where has Mr. Freeman been?

Second, it has been shown here on the HP that the scandalous translation of Mr. Hosni's words by Mr. Levy was an improper translation of an Egyptian idiom.

Third, and most tellingly, Mr. Freeman's version of Mr. Levy's translation of Mr. Hosni's words is not at all accurate. Even Mr. Levy did not go as far as saying that Mr. Hosni had proposed to "burn all the books in Alexandria's library that had anything to do with Israel". Since we all read Mr. Levy's actual translation here on the HP, Mr. Freeman's exaggeration of that translation shows ignorant bias.

Forth, according the Mr. Levy here on the HP, what Mr. Freeman called Mr. Hosni's apology was not an apology. Does Mr. Freeman disagree with Mr. Levy?

This article does not deserve to be posted on the HP.