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Not Grover: Who's the Progressive Counterpart to Norquist?

Posted: 07/19/11 11:26 AM ET

Grover Norquist is everywhere. In recent weeks, the head honcho at Americans for Tax Reform has been profiled, lauded, or excoriated by a slew of media outlets. I was interviewed earlier this week for a piece on NPR, and a quick search turns up recent items at CNN, The Week, the Washington Post, and the New York Review of Books, among others. The guy is really on a tear.

During the NPR interview, I was asked if I could think of a left-leaning counterpart to Norquist. I was stumped. A bunch of people came to mind, notably Bob McIntyre at Citizens for Tax Justice and Bob Greenstein at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. But neither seemed to fit the bill very well. Sure, McIntyre and Greenstein have been important and highly influential voices for progressive tax policy. But neither has reshaped political debate in Norquistian fashion.

Norquist's unparalleled influence stems from his role as enforcer. Armed with his (in)famous anti-tax pledge, he's the undisputed master of political arm-twisting. No one on the left plays that sort of role. And I doubt anyone ever could -- Democrats are just too damn undisciplined (read: tolerant of ideological diversity, for better or worse).

Also, McIntyre and Greenstein are entirely too knowledgeable when it comes to tax policy to ever be compared to Norquist. It's never struck me that Grover cares very much about tax policy, per se. He only cares about taxes on the macro level, since he uses them as a proxy for the size of government. (Which is a crass oversimplification and hopeless distortion, since low taxes and high spending make for a very big sort of government).

Norquist revels in his passion for oversimplification. Most political issues are complicated, he told NPR, with many lots of facets and nuances. By contrast, he said, "The tax issue, size of government, has one. Up or down, yes or no. It's binary."

Despite the risk of comparing apples and oranges, I still think it's valuable to ponder who might be the left's anti-Grover. So here's my challenge to readers: send me your nominations for a progressive counterpart (use the comments below or tweet it to me @jthorndike) and in a future piece, I'll survey the field. Who knows, maybe we can find someone who fits the bill.

 

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Grover Norquist is everywhere. In recent weeks, the head honcho at Americans for Tax Reform has been profiled, lauded, or excoriated by a slew of media outlets. I was interviewed earlier this week for...
Grover Norquist is everywhere. In recent weeks, the head honcho at Americans for Tax Reform has been profiled, lauded, or excoriated by a slew of media outlets. I was interviewed earlier this week for...
 
 
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LizM
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12:06 PM on 07/22/2011
What are we to make of Norquist's suggestion that ending a tax cut is not necessarily a tax increase? Darn near fell off my chair.
03:40 PM on 07/20/2011
I nominate the Constitution of the United States as the only institution American congresspeople need pledge allegiance to -- not an individual.

Let everyone of them in Congress strive to abide by the Constitution and vote their conscience, using common sense. That should be enough.
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09:08 AM on 07/20/2011
in answer to the headline...WE ARE!! the american people.
check out norquist's website ...you can customise letters to sentors...thats nice of him.
let's show him how to customise letters to senators.
http://www.atr.org/tell-all-gop-senators-leave-gang-a6213
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08:05 AM on 07/20/2011
The urge to pledge has grown over the past 30 years as citizens desperately look for simple solutions to complex problems. Term limits were deemed a panacaea for the cupidity of the legislativ­e process. Where tried, legislatur­es were handcuffed and loaded with inexperien­ced people who were even more beholden to special interests. A formulaic approach to civics is the revenge of the simplemind­ed. Who needs humans in public office if a computer can synthesize all the pledges and spit out model legislatio­n? (Enter ALEC).

Democracy isn't a gimmicky formula. It's a dialog between real people that have deep difference­s over goals and priorities­. Binding politician­s with unbreakabl­e pledges robs their constituen­ts of effective representa­tion. Send a piece of paper to Washington and save the salary. The tax pledge clones 200 Grover Norquists and seats them in the House of Representa­tives. Such rigidity has led us to a flirtation with economic apocalypse­.

As a party that tries to deify the Founding Fathers, Republican­s defy the true democratic spirit of the FF's. Government officials swear an oath to support and defend the Constituti­on. Period. That is hard enough. Signing extra-mural pledges goes beyond pandering; it violates the oath of office. Let's propose an old fashioned 1960's demonstrat­ion where the politician­s set fire to their pledges and renew their vows to serve their constituen­ts--includ­ing those with whom they deeply disagree. Power to the people! Grover go home!”
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LizM
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12:04 PM on 07/22/2011
So, who do you nominate for progressive counterpart to Norquist? Of course, that doesn't mean we have to have competing pledges or just another side of extreme. It does mean, however, that we need a strong and persistent and credible and very loud voice to counter all of the nonsense emanating from the Republican cult of economic failure.

With a post like yours, I'm guessing we might have another vote for Geithner ... or, perhaps, that's just wishful thinking ...
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06:29 PM on 07/22/2011
Interesting question, but progressives don't work that way. We need no left wing Norquist, dictating rigid policies to Congress. We're a quarrelsome bunch, zigging and zagging towards the truth. Norquist is a typical single issue dogmatist, incapable of making the kinds of difficult choices real leaders must make. Were he alive I would say Martin Luther King should remain the conscience of our political process. He exacted no dogmatic pledge; he led from a moral vision. What's moral about yelling, "No taxes!" while complaining about debts and deficits? It's just greed.

In 1981 it seems that we took social justice out back and shot it, as the individuals who stood for social justice were shot in reality. Our country is dominated by a noisy minority of reactionary zealots. We have numerous voices of sanity on the left, but the media isn't into sane, rational, nuanced discourse. I'm ok with Geithner.or Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Russ Feingold, Ralph Nader, and many, many more. It's not about a personality cult. The Republicans are lazy and unimaginative. They want a formula that answers their needs even if it means violating their pledge to suport the US Constitution.
01:58 AM on 07/20/2011
I think the problem is what you said; Democrats are undisciplined. They do not support anything per se. They are just in to play politics and win political victories.

They were voted in, in 2006 to change foreign policy. 5 years later they are still implementing Bush's policies in this area, and will for the foreseeable future.

The Democrats do not stand for anything. That is partly why our country has been so bad. People are mad at the Tea Party for being stubborn on an issue. But that is what the people wanted from the Democrats on foreign policy, but never received it. Clinton, Obama, Biden, and Kerry are all in with the Bush Doctrine.
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LizM
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06:21 AM on 07/20/2011
Where is the 'Flag as Outrageously False' tag when you need it?
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06:22 AM on 07/20/2011
How would you describe the Obama Doctrine?
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LizM
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01:11 AM on 07/20/2011
I nominate the Secretary of the Treasury, Tim Geithner ... not a joke!

Secretary Geithner has been the strongest advocate in the Obama/Biden administration for a responsible and prudent pro-growth tax and fiscal policy. And, just as importantly, he has never missed an opportunity to essentially call out the nonsense emanating from the Republican cult of economic failure.

Has he been everywhere or profiled, lauded, and excoriated in media outlets to the extent that Norquist has? Of course, not. He's just been excoriated - from all sides, no less. But, he is, arguably, the antithesis of what Norquist represents, any way you slice it.

Ironically, Geithner draws the most virulent wrath from progressives and from the rest of the left half of the political spectrum, despite his progressive thinking on tax policy and reform - particularly his forceful public stance and cogent arguments last year on allowing the Bush/Cheney era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to expire while extending the middle class tax cuts until the economy more fully recovers, not to mention his views on the estate tax.

Unfortunately, few were listening and taking notice of his efforts, much less applauding them. Perhaps, as a result of your future piece, that may begin to change ...
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Joseph J. Thorndike
08:03 AM on 07/20/2011
I think you're right about Geithner -- he gets a lot less credit (and more progressive abuse) than he deserves. His problem, I think, is guilt by association. A lot of progressives blame him for every compromise Obama makes on economic policy. Which seems unfair to me.
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11:48 AM on 07/20/2011
Guilt by association, indeed. Even when the association doesn't exist!

I'll never forget his appearance before a House congressional committee and one member of congress prefaced his question to the secretary by referring to him as a former banker. When Geithner said he was never a banker, the member went on to correct himself by referring to Geithner as a former investment banker. Geithner corrected him once again and informed the member that he has spent his entire career in public service. Well, in any event, the member continued ... and then moved on, shielded from any semblance of personal embarrassment by his blissful ignorance.

It was mildly amusing.

If you ask me, it is the height of irony that Geithner is blamed for any of the compromises this administration has had to make on economic policy. If the so-called progressives and the rest of the left had been supporting what Geithner was advocating vis-a-vis tax policy and financial regulatory reform instead of calling for his resignation, or worse, every five minutes, then the tax deal at the end of 2010 and the fin reg reform package would have been even stronger than what eventually passed. But, that fact is lost on the lot of them, not surprisingly.
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jshop
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03:20 PM on 07/20/2011
You both must be kidding! Geithner was the head of the NY Exchange when all the deregulation that led to the housing collapse happened. He is most certainly NOT the anti-Norquist! Get out of town!
10:29 PM on 07/19/2011
Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) - Puppet Master of Deficit Shell Game

A recent editorial by Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) in USA TODAY titled Opposing view: Just say no to higher taxes

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-07-04-opposing-view-debt-limit-taxes_n.htm

speaks volumes regarding the Obama administration’s misjudgment with the Fiscal Commission. Demands for the Commission arose from the 2008 book/movie I.O.U.S.A. highlighted: the Leadership, trade, savings and budget deficits; the first three being the most middle class relevant and root causes of the budget deficit, the tip of the iceberg. The ATR’s pledge signers (not permitted to negotiate in good faith) limit the focus only to spending, throwing middle class relevant deficits under the bus and allow ATR to be the Puppet Master of a deficit shell game.
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julieJgoldengay
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09:25 PM on 07/19/2011
Joey Chestnut?
08:07 PM on 07/19/2011
David Cay Johnston
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05:29 PM on 07/19/2011
Alan Grayson
BrighterStar
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05:04 PM on 07/19/2011
Carl Marx.
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ElBruce
05:24 PM on 07/19/2011
Never heard of anybody by that name.
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DarkandStormyNight
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09:59 PM on 07/19/2011
Did you mean Karl?
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butlercaddie
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04:56 PM on 07/19/2011
Probably someone named Elmo.

But, seriously, folks: What would it take to be a liberal Grover Norquist? Single issue. Simplistic message. And a deliverable threat to primary the unpure. Doesn't exist.

The reason for that is the reason why we're not Republicans in the first place. Because we understand nuance, we embrace pluralism, we eschew absolutism.

What kind of fortune cookie pledge could we possibly come up with that we wouldn't be laughed out of a Congressman's office?
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CTDFalconer
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06:46 PM on 07/19/2011
Indeed, the American left is big-tent and pluralistic. Neither could describe Mr. Norquist or anyone who would fill a similar role in any party.
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Joseph J. Thorndike
08:08 AM on 07/20/2011
I've had a number of people respond in a similar vein. "Why would anyone want to be the progressive Grover, if that means adopting his tactics?" Which is fair enough.

But that doesn't mean a NotGrover doesn't (or couldn't) exist. Just that s/he would be different than Grover. Such a person might still be an effective counter to Norquist, at least on the substance of tax policy.

Along these lines, a few people have suggested people (and think tanks) that try to counter Norquist with substantive ideas and arguments.
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butlercaddie
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08:52 AM on 07/20/2011
Joe (Can I call you Joe?) I get what you are saying, but I simply don't know enough about the players in the world of tax theory to counter. My milieu is retail politics and local government.

I have been giving this a lot of thought along my previous lines, however, and I may have come up with a progressive example of ideological purity trumping common sense. There was a group of women who were catastrophically devastated that 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling were not enough to elect the first woman President. These "pumas" have since set up several shops: PACS and the like. One of them even blogs here, although for the life of me I can't recall her name.

Anyway, they have been touting female candidates of the WORST ilk in 2010 and as part of the run-up to 2012, regardless of party, platform or progressiveness, preferring pudenda.

I think their genesis found flower with a raspy-voiced patron saint who was kicked out of the DNC rules committee meeting in 2008 over FL and MI primary delegates. Her rant included the infamous phrase "inadequate black male" and is easily found online by searching that term.

In spirit, if not in subject matter, they are the left's Norquist.
10:41 AM on 07/20/2011
Yeah, but who pays the bill for a think tank like Big Energy, Big Ag, Pharma. Defense, and the anti-tax lobby will?
04:17 PM on 07/19/2011
Nobody on the Left plays that role. True of many roles played by the Right. Two reasons: I believe we dislike lying to achieve hidden ends (because we're trying to make a better world, not money), and there is nobody who would pay a Lefty like these guys get paid. Who wants the grief on the Left if you can be a hit man on the Right and knock down a half a mil a year and be invited to swanky affairs?
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04:06 PM on 07/19/2011
I think we need to equate tax avoidance with treason. Stop allowing corporations and wealthy citizens to hide their assets in foreign accounts and/or divisions, or take them to court as turncoats.

We need the tax equivalent of Elizabeth Warren to advocate for the revenue that is the basis of American values: public education, infrastructure, a social safety net, and university research to spur innovation.

That's not "big government". It's doing all the things private companies don't want to touch because there's no money in it.
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03:31 PM on 07/19/2011
My problem is that elected officials signing some partisan document, which then ties their hands when it comes making decisions for the country for which they were elected into office for. No one is making these people sign this stupid document. So why does he have such influence on elected officials? This basically makes the entire GOP class basically there in name only. Any sort of decision will be greatly influenced by a single un-elected man.
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LizM
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09:21 AM on 07/21/2011
Actually, this makes the GOP appear to be largely teetering on the edge of cultism, with Norquist playing one of the leading roles in the Republican cult of economic failure.