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Putting a Halt to the Religious Right's Anti-Gay Rhetoric

Posted: 10/21/11 02:10 PM ET

"I wish I could be happy, I try, I try, I try ... I just want to feel special to someone." --Jamie Hubley

On Oct. 14, Jamie Hubley, a gay 15-​year-​old boy, committed suicide. He struggled with depression and bullying from classmates because he was openly gay. The challenges experienced by this young man are heartbreaking and perhaps better witnessed through his own words or hearing them directly from those who knew him best.

These types of teen suicides painfully remind us that there is an anti-​LGBT culture within our societies that isolate many young people from the love they deserve. It's particularly concerning that the urgency this reality warrants is consistently absent from the religious right, which was further evidenced at the Values Voter Summit in Washington this month.

As the day neared for this annual gathering of religious conservatives, my inbox began to fill with press releases, statements and emails from allies across the country. "Boycott Values Voter Summit" and "Anti-​LGBT Hate Fest?"

The concern was real.

A common chill rippled through civil rights and progressive religious communities across America. Moderate voices speculated about what type of rhetoric would be cooked up and lobbed at minority communities this year. Like many Americans, I joined those who condemned the event, which was hosted by two nationally recognized hate groups. In 2010 both the Family Research Council and American Family Association joined more than 1,000 active hate groups in America, on a list that includes factions of the Ku Klux Klan, black separatist and Neo-​Nazi organizations.

But there was something even more troubling about the summit: Why would Republican Party leadership -- House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Erik Cantor -- appear in such a setting? Why would seven Republican Presidential candidates do the same? The summit promotes hostile anti-​LGBT sentiment that in many ways has contributed to a culture of LGBT bullying.

I tuned in to CSPAN's coverage from my office in New York City. I watched speakers offensively degrade the LGBT community and demonize Muslims as a dangerous other; the rhetoric was sorely absent of any hope for moderation.

Bryan Fischer, of the American Family Association, declared the American President should be a man, that Muslims are not welcomed and that the LGBTQ community is a threat to American freedom.

Star Parker, a conservative activist, insinuated that the California government was "sick" for trying to combat LGBT teen bullying by helping students learn about the history of gays and lesbians in their state.

The speeches went on. The damage continued. But when all was said and done, an important point was evident: this event wasn't about Christian values -- it was about hate.

The Montgomery Alabama-​based civil rights organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center, defines these "representatives" of the religious right well: "All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics." These groups who claim to represent the religious right contribute to a deadly anti-​LGBT culture.

They circulate pamphlets and propaganda that mischaracterize the LGBT community -- propaganda that has been thoroughly rejected by relevant institutions. They routinely quote junk science sourced from anti-​gay "front organizations" like the "American College of Pediatricians" (ACP) to claim LGBT people are a threat. These front organizations are deeply flawed. For example, the ACP is a tiny 200-​member anti-​gay organization, which broke away from the 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). It broke away because it rejected its parent organization's support of LGBT rights. Going rogue, they now produce misleading junk science that is solely aligned with political agendas.

These hate groups also rely on similarly flawed research to claim LGBT people suffer from "mental disorders" and that they should undergo "reparative therapy." Again, relevant scientific institutions, such as the American Psychiatric Association reject such nonsense.

"In the last four decades, 'reparative' therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure," they said. "APA recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals' sexual orientation." The American Psychological Association echoes that "the discipline of psychology is concerned with the well-​being of people and groups and therefore with threats to that well-​being ... Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience."

Because of this scientific reality, many reparative therapists have come out of the closet to reject and repudiate the flawed practice.

Other "science" and "research" they utilize continues to be discredited, and every day its irrelevance is being more widely understood. Those outside of this extreme wing are becoming much more conscious of the damage caused by extreme factions of the religious right. Droves of young people are leaving churches that reject the gay and lesbian community. Two-​thirds of Americans say there is a harmful connection between messages coming from America's houses of worship and higher rates of LGBT youth suicides. And most remarkably, Gallup found that a majority of Christians and non-​Christians believe that gay and lesbian relations are "morally acceptable."

America's values are clear. Why then does the religious right continue to dominate the national conversation?

It is time for us to put this nonsense to rest.

There is a growing community of LGBT-​inclusive Christians and non-​Christian allies, working each day to promote welcome in faith settings and put their LGBT inclusive faith into action by taking to the streets, the polling booths and the airwaves. Just this week, more than 900 Methodists in Connecticut and New York vowed to defy their denomination's ban on gay marriage and make weddings available to all.

These inclusive Christian voices are putting the religious right on notice: while their voice of hate may be loud, our voice of love will be louder.

This post originally appeared in The New Civil Rights Movement.

 

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"I wish I could be happy, I try, I try, I try ... I just want to feel special to someone." --Jamie Hubley On Oct. 14, Jamie Hubley, a gay 15-​year-​old boy, committed suicide. He struggled with d...
"I wish I could be happy, I try, I try, I try ... I just want to feel special to someone." --Jamie Hubley On Oct. 14, Jamie Hubley, a gay 15-​year-​old boy, committed suicide. He struggled with d...
 
 
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03:27 PM on 10/26/2011
People who've studied history will realize that no matter how many persons of LGBT in the past that have been eliminated ("sic", killed), they keep coming back in larger numbers. The irony is that every LGBT individual is born to parents who were "strait". Whereas I prefer a normal heterosexual life, I don't have any problems when another person makes it known to me that they are otherwise. Just leave each other alone to live as one should in peace. Don't make yourself stand out because of your orientation. Don' call attention to your own sexuality & most persons will leave you to yourself. The problem is that when others perceive you as different, this is when they feel they must or can attack for the affront they perceive. Many will quote their favorite scriptures for the justification for what they choose to do, not even caring about the other parts of the writings they seem so apt to forget.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
06:12 PM on 10/26/2011
Though, we're back to 'I'll tolerate you as long as you remain fully-closeted,' (ie, 'don't draw attention to your sexuality.' ) Who said you being a straight person actually gives you the right to tell others what to do if we're not?

I'm not a particularly demonstrative person in general, anyway. Less so than most. But I do expect to be able to hold hands once in a while without worrying who's looking, refer to my partner with pronouns like everyone else does when straights talk about their husbands or kids... Frankly, what's 'not standing out' for straights ought to be 'not standing out' for *us.*

Not like 'As long as you pretend to be straight we won't hurt you.' Gods.

Frankly, it's just not that easy to hide, sometimes. Straight people are pretty constantly (if subliminally) sizing up people as potential sex partners, and if you aren't responding the same, they may pick up on it, (or just decide you must be queer, anyway.)

The onus of the problem is not on us to pander to others' prejudices, or else be blamed for what they do about it. The problem is the people who hold the prejudices and are taught they're justified in acting on them.
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02:24 PM on 10/27/2011
Well said.
03:13 PM on 10/27/2011
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
12:08 PM on 10/27/2011
Straight people call attention to their sexual orientation all the time, you're just desensitized to it. Go to a night club, bar, football game, gym, etc and really pay attention.

If I hold hands with my wife as you would with your opposite-sex partner, there is ultimately no difference. If that makes you uncomfortable, well, I'm not going to stop because of it. That's quite simply not my problem.
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GDWhiteman
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01:40 PM on 10/26/2011
Perhaps the problem is the God is jealous of the sexual bits he gave us - rather than allowing us to simply enjoy them, he had some guys write a books proclaiming their use a sin?
10:32 AM on 10/26/2011
As a gay 51yo male I have a rather unexpected observation to share. I lived through the likes of Anita Bryant, Pat Robertson, Phelps, the moral majority, the family vales and now the religious right and I only one thing to say to them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Ironically and contrary to your stated objective of demonizing and ostracizing the gay community your vitriol, your call to arms, your false piety and overall hypocrisy has been the greatest asset to the gay rights "agenda" we've ever had. Through your selfless and tireless efforts we have gained more acceptance, greater tolerance and greater freedoms to be ourselves. Please continue the anti-gay rhetoric it's working fabulously in our favor. To the LGBT leaders, who, by the way do not represent all gay voices...but out...you are not helping the cause.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
01:44 PM on 10/26/2011
I think you have a good point. The uglier the Christian Right gets, the better GLBTQ people look by comparison. I, for one, figure I have a better chance of kissing a pissed-off pit bull than having a sane conversation about sex with a Christian right-winger.
05:11 PM on 11/15/2011
GD - I just LOVE your sense of humor. It's sooo truthful yet funny. In fact I'm sure that even Bill Maher would agree with you on your last comment even though the two of you would disagree on "other" beliefs. Fanned!
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chrysostomos
Zizek built my hotrod,
12:39 PM on 10/27/2011
Funny thing- Pat Robertson must have wised up to what you're talking about because he's now calling for his right wing minions (ie. MIchelle Bachmann, Rick Perry et al) to tone down the rhetoric. He's as good as telling them to lie about their positions. Can't say I'm the least bit surprised given how low these "christian" conservatives are willing to go in their obsessive pursuit of power.
07:48 PM on 10/25/2011
RELIGIOUS VIEWS ARE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT, THE FACT IS, NO RELIGION HAS THE RIGHT TO OPPRESS ANY CITIZEN OF THESE UNITED STATES. THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION, ALSO INCLUDES WORDS TO THE EFFECT OF FREEDOM FROM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. TO UPHOLD HATRED, AND VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE, IS NOT VERY RELIGIOUS, YET IT SEEMS THE WAY OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT. FACTS ARE FACTS, AND THE FACT IS: HATRED FLOWS FROM THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT LIKE A RIVER OF GREAT MASS , AND HATRED OF ANY KIND, WAS TAUGHT AGAINST BY CHRIST HIMSELF. SOMETHING THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT SEEMS TO FORGET WHEN IT COMES TO EQUALITY . EQUALITY, SHOULD BE GUARANTEED TO ALL WHO ARE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY , THE MATTER OF FACT IS THIS, THE LGBT MOVEMENT FOR EQUALITY, IS THE NEW FIGHT IN THE DRAMA KNOWN AS CIVIL RIGHTS. A FIGHT WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO HAPPEN IS THE ONE WHICH GUARANTEES THAT ALL CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY ARE EQUAL , AND DESERVE THE SAME INALIENABLE RIGHTS AS THOSE WHO HAVE THEM GIVEN TO THEM WITHOUT A FIGHT. HOW SAD IGNORANCE, AND THE CLAIM OF OTHERS RELIGIOUS VIEWS CAN IMPEDE THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, AND ALL DESERVE TO BE TREATED THE SAME!
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chrysostomos
Zizek built my hotrod,
12:49 PM on 10/27/2011
I like almost everything you're saying but as far as hate goes Jesus does teach that in order to follow him one has to "hate" one's father and mother. Jesus did have his own moments of violence and vitriol- I'd as soon just leave this itinerant backwoods preacher behind. Far too much evil has been done in his name and given the major ethical and moral flaws in his teachings there's nothing ground breaking enough to recommend him to us today over the vast ethical, moral and philosophical advancements that have been achieved in the 2000 years since he allegedly tramped about the Judean outback. And as you say quite eloquently when it comes to the proper functioning of our secular civil society "No religion has the right to oppress any citizen of these United States."
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detroitblkmale30
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01:23 PM on 10/27/2011
Jesus isnt the problem. People are the problem., Far more evil has been done not in Jesus' name or any religion for tha matter. I dont see us abandoning the notion of a country because countries have killed millions of people through war. Silly.
03:15 PM on 10/27/2011
I just don't read anything in all-caps.
DianaLynn1967
It's a great life if you don't weaken!
09:01 PM on 11/05/2011
Thank you!
09:54 AM on 10/25/2011
Wonderful post. No reasonable person can doubt that there's a causal connection between the messages of hatred from the Christian Right and the abuse suffered by LGBT youth, abuse that sometimes ends in violence, murder or suicide. But the Christian Right hardly stops there, vigorously opposing any and all measures in public schools that seek to counteract the climate of intolerance they do so much to create and, of course, fighting tooth and nail for decades now against all laws - from employment discrimination to inclusion of sexual orientation and gender identity in existing hate crime law to military service and same-sex marriage more recently - that would suggest to the American citizenry that LGBT's are worthy of even basic human dignity and respect.
It's LONG past time for the passivity of Christians who disagree with the religious right to end and for them to stand up and fight back. I hope it's finally beginning to happen, because to date there's been little more all these decades than fine sentiments with next to no real action.
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colah
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12:57 AM on 10/25/2011
Religion.
The worlds deadliest disease.
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detroitblkmale30
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09:48 AM on 10/25/2011
actually that would be heart disease
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thebearclaw007
Is your conscience functioning properly?
02:52 PM on 10/25/2011
Exactly!
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
03:59 PM on 10/25/2011
Since when does arguing about what has the lesser body count constitute 'Ultimate Righteousness?'
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06:07 PM on 10/24/2011
This issue is certainly a moral challenge for Christians. We tend to believe all of our morality is God-given. Accepting new social morays is slow, because what was immoral yesterday is moral today. To many Christians, it implies that somehow, God changed his mind, rather than just admitting we were mistaken, or unprepared. Mainly, it's about Christians putting the social morality of the first century above the overriding, eternal Love of God. We should not fear erring on the side of love and acceptance, but rather concern ourselves with Jesus' admonitions against judging - especially those outside the Church. As an Episcopalian, I'm fortunate to be part of a denomination that has supported gay rights for many years. I hope we continue on our path of inclusiveness to embrace gay marriage as well.
06:54 PM on 10/24/2011
Just because the majority thinks something is not a sin, does not make it ok in God's eyes. Maybe if we get enough votes we can get God to resign?

You are right when you say the Bible admonishes us not to judge those outside the church. But we ARE directed to confront sin within the Church.

I hold no malice against homosexuals outside the Church, they have bigger problems than whether or not God sees homosexuality as a sin. But from within the Church, we are to hold each other accountable. I fail to see how you conclude that God's standards of what's right and wrong has changed over time? What was sin 4000 years ago is sin 2000 years ago is sin today.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:13 PM on 10/24/2011
Considering you rely on the notion that everything but your interpretation of your Bible, including the entire lives of people you grievously hurt, must be 'wrong and evil' in elaborate ways, when you try to justify doing injustice to a whole lot of people with laws, money, and temproal power, I think the burden of proof would in any sane thought-system, rest on *you* before you say, 'I say out of the aethers that all gay people must be forced to be straight, and oppressed, too."
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:30 PM on 10/24/2011
Do you really think Henry VIII was that good an anthropologist to begin with? :)
01:42 PM on 10/25/2011
""because what was immoral yesterday is moral today. To many Christians­, it implies that somehow, God changed his mind, rather than just admitting we were mistaken""

“ For I am the LORD, I do not change;"
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04:06 PM on 10/25/2011
I agree. God never changes. I never said He does, so forgive me if I didn't communicate that more clearly - what I meant was that when Christians are faced with moral change, it's hard for them, because it would first appear that God changed his mind. Yet, it's still difficult to simply say, "I was wrong." It is humans who have misinterpreted and misunderstood God for centuries, and those mistakes will continue until He is revealed in His glory.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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03:44 PM on 10/24/2011
As evidenced by some of the comments on here, it's obvious that a lot of people never got the memo....so allow me to clue you in.

Homosexuality is considered to be normal.

Says who? Oh, only the following:

American Medical Associatio­n
American Psychiatri­c Associatio­n
American Psychologi­cal Associatio­n
American Counseling Associatio­n
National Associatio­n of Social Workers
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Child Welfare League of America
American Associatio­n of School Administra­tors
American Federation of Teachers
National Associatio­n of School Psychologi­sts
American Academy of Physician Assistants
National Education Associatio­n
Royal College of Physicians
Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality (SSSS)
American Associatio­n of Sex Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT)

Now, if you have a similar list of organizations, with equally impressive credentials, that say homosexuality is NOT normal, then post it. Otherwise, how a bout you give it a rest already.
08:12 PM on 10/24/2011
lets send this over the Cain to let him know being gay isn't a choice, and that we were born this way.
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09:18 PM on 10/24/2011
Unfortunately, people like Herman Cain & others who share his deluded views, would just make up some other lie/excuse as a reason to discriminate.

You can't reason with people like that because they don't operate from a logical, reasonable position to begin with.
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03:18 PM on 10/24/2011
Great post. I love this quote of yours: "The Montgomery Alabama-​based civil rights organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center, defines these "representatives" of the religious right well: "All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics."

"CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS" OPPOSED 1954 Decision ending SEGREGATIO­N, OPPOSED ANTI-LYNCH­ING LEGISLATIO­N, OPPOSED Civil and Voting Rights. THEY decided NOT to back tteetotalin­g Christian evangelica­l, Jimmy Carter, but fully immerse themselves in politics, actively supporting CORPORATE CHAMPION, non-church going divorcee, RONALD REAGAN.

NOW, THE TEA PARTY "CHRISTIANS" ADOPTED ATHEIST AYN RAND AS THE GODDESS OF THEIR MOVEMENT, SUPPLANTIN­­­G THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS WITH THE "GOSPEL OF AYN RAND."

Lest we forget, Rand despised Christiani­­­ty because true Christians were supposed to follow Jesus' example in caring for the poor, sick, and vulnerable­­­, i.e., who she and her followers call, "looters," "moochers,­­­" and "parasites­­­." Her psychologi­­­cal hero was a child-murd­­­ering serial-kil­­­ler named Hickman, who's infamous motto she adopted as the theme guiding her followers: "WHAT'S GOOD FOR ME IS RIGHT." This is the "Gospel" animating the Republican­­­/Tea Party "true believers" and "free market extremists­­­" who applaud the notion that "IT"S YOUR FAULT" if you're unemployed or not rich.”

For more please see my article: "Crusader Christianity, Tea Party Cult, & The Left"
http://open.salon.com/blog/ronrobinson/2011/08/02/crusader_christianity_tea_party_cult_the_left_wip
08:38 AM on 10/26/2011
Ron, it appears you've read the bible, so consider that God teaches us that "no one is righteous, no not one". That means all Christians as well as all non-Christians.

Ron, even though there may be a small truth to some of what you say, most of your writings indicate more of a hatred of Christians than concern for any truth to what you say. Much of what you write is far out of context.

Ron, trust Jesus with all your heart, then write about what He has taught you.
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02:51 PM on 10/24/2011
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson

Here's a fact. NOWHERE in the Constitution is marriage defined as being solely between a man & a woman. More specifically, the Constitution contains no definition of marriage at all.

By trying to make a law defining marriage as being solely between a man & a woman, DOMA is violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment, passed 70 years or so after the original Constituti­on, contains the "equal protection­" clause, and it says that States cannot deny their citizens the equal protection of the laws. The intent of that was to stop States from imposing unreasonable legal restrictio­ns on the freed slaves after the Civil War.

The equal protection concept became so popular in legal circles that the Supreme Court decided that it should be read into the Fifth Amendment, even though it isn't actually written there. Therefore, when the Fifth Amendment says that the government can't take away its citizens' life, liberty or property without due process of law, it also includes the idea that it cannot deny them the equal protection of the law.

This is why DOMA is unconstitutional.
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02:23 PM on 10/24/2011
Some of the arguments that are being used today to try & deny homosexual­s the equality they deserve, are very similar to arguments used a few decades ago to try & halt interracia­l marriage.

From Peggy Pascoe's book "What Comes Naturally: Miscegenat­ion Law and the Making of Race in America":

"When societies decide who can and who can't legally marry, they determine who is and isn't really a part of the family. These inclusions and exclusions take place at such an intimate level that they shape what seems natural and, in turn, what is stigmatize­d as unnatural.­"

"From the 1860s through the 1960s, the American legal system elevated the notion that interracia­l marriage was unnatural to commonsens­e status and made it the law of the land. During this period, miscegenat­ion law channeled property, propriety, personal choice, and legitimate procreatio­n into one very particular kind of monogamous marital pair: couples that were made of up one White man and one White woman, whose sameness of race was required by law and whose difference in sex was taken entirely for granted. The more Whites believe that interracia­l marriage was unnatural, the more they assumed that the marriage of one White man to one White woman was the only kind of marriage worthy of the name - and the more they saw their own marriages as the fortunate result of individual romantic preference rather than the obligatory outcome of a legal system steeped in gendered assumption­s about race and heterosexu­ality."
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02:50 PM on 10/24/2011
Cont.

Contrast this with Bryan Fischer, the host of the daily 'Focal Point' radio talk program on AFR Talk, a division of the American Family Associatio­n, and his opposition to the Prop8 ruling:

"Perhaps the most ridiculous thing about Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling in the Prop. 8 case is that he claimed to give homosexual­s something they in fact already have: full marriage equality."

"What they want is not equal rights, but special rights. They want a special exemption carved out for them so that their sexually aberrant relationsh­ips can be recognized as marriages, an exemption we don't grant to folks who want to marry a son or a daughter, or a mother or a father, an uncle or an aunt, or a child."

"So when we say two homosexual­s cannot marry, we're not depriving them of marital rights any more than when we say the same thing to a pedophile. A pedophile has the same right to marry that every homosexual does — the right to marry a non-relati­ve adult member of the opposite sex."

"So when someone bloviates to you about how homosexual­s don't have marriage equality, don't let them get away with it. It's time for us in the pro-family movement to stop being w**nies about this. We, not they, are the voices of justice, fairness and rationalit­y here."
03:35 PM on 10/27/2011
And when I compare and contrast the two, Fischer comes out ahead. For he gets right what Pascoe slyly omitted: the right to marry has always been the right to marry a "non-relative adult member of the opposite sex".

If you actually READ the decisions cited by Loving v. Virginia, you can see how that was assumed by ALL those rulings.
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03:43 PM on 10/24/2011
Actually a *law* Mitt Romney dug up to make sure that marriage equality in Massachusetts wouldn't apply to any other states was in fact a law that was *explicitly* about doing the same thing against 'miscegenation.'
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
12:04 PM on 10/26/2011
His dragging out that 1913 law was pathetic.
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04:57 AM on 10/24/2011
To me, it isn't religion that is at fault or to blame for the hatred of the LGBT community. It's the people who practice it. JESUS said for us to love one another. The love HE has for us is to be extended towards one another. I ain't seen *except for*; nowhere in the BIBLE. Man makes these distinctions. And folk think 'cause they masquerade as Christians that they are Christians. It just ain't true. How can I call myself a Christian and go 'roun' "hatin' ' anyone? That ain't what JESUS said. He who loves not, knows not GOD; for GOD is love. 1 John 4: 8. Since GOD is love and I "hate" my fellow creations how in the world am I gonna be a Christian. Somebody lyin'. And it sho' nuff ain't GOD. Life.
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detroitblkmale30
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09:20 PM on 10/23/2011
It's truly amazing how disgreeing with a group of people on an issue for religious religions and exercising one's Constitutionaly protected freedom of religion and freedom of speech defines you as a hate group.

Amazing.
09:49 PM on 10/23/2011
It is a big difference for you to believe in something versus abusing someone else's civil rights. That is the difference. People who are gay who marry or have relationships make decisions independently for themselves as an affirmation. It doesn't interfere with anyone else. You can marry and noone interferes with you. People of different race can marry and it doesn't interfere with you. However, if you enact legilation that abuses another citizen's civil rights, it is against the law. If you abuse a citizen physically or defame them in such a way as to cause damage to them monetarily, it is against the law. If it is abuse of a minority faction that is hate action, special laws come into play that punish you even further. It is to prevent the abuse by those that are powerful against those that are weak when wrapped up in bigotry, ignorance, and abuse.

Even if you are part of a religious sect that is nasty in its abuse (there are many), you can believe in it, but you cannot abuse other citizens without breaking the law. Even if your religion has bigotry as part of it, the law doesn't forgive bad behavior that is illegal. A religious person of a particular sect is not given protection for a hate crime. We should all be glad for that.
10:54 PM on 10/23/2011
Yes, it is a big difference. But it is a difference people on your side of the issue regularly miss. And no, there is NO "civil right to same sex marriage". The state courts that has supported it are delusional. The Supreme Court will not support this.
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11:41 PM on 10/23/2011
Your comment doesnt make sense. Believing in something and expressing it is what I was discussing. In this case that is homosexuality. So either you support the Constitutionally supported freedoms of religion and speech or you do not. You can't draw exceptions around issues that you support. These groups in and of themselves are not making any laws. They have a right to vote for certain laws they desire to support and you nor anyone else has a right to impede their right to viote for or against various public laws. You are drawing out examples that no one is talking about. Irrelevant. It in and of itself is not hate action. That is merely a "platform" manuever by some in teh LGBT community to draw furthr support to their cause.

Your discussion of abuse does not apply here. Sorry.
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01:50 PM on 10/24/2011
You seem obsessed with claiming that all you demand be done to us merely constitutes 'disagreement.'

Maybe the *means and manner* of that disagreement, defamation included, are what people really have a problem with.

For mere 'disagreement' you sure seem to spend a lot of time attacking our existence, rights, and even character about it.
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detroitblkmale30
Wise Men Still Seek Him
02:12 PM on 10/24/2011
No I am not attacking your existence. I am defending my right and my beliefs against the assaults against them, most specifically the theological and religious ones. That is why I spend the time I do. If my faith didnt matter then neither would this.
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Djay0252
American First, Second, and ALWAYS
05:31 PM on 10/23/2011
Jesus Christ came into the world turning HIS religious right upside down. One small example is His association with women. I would strongly believe He would have a positive attitude toward gays as well
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
08:38 PM on 10/23/2011
Ditto here :)
10:54 PM on 10/23/2011
But both of you base your "strong belief" on no facts, not even on probable conjecture, but on pure wishful thinking.
07:01 PM on 10/24/2011
Or would he say: "Where are your accusers? Nor do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."?

Jesus might take issue how some Christians express hate and prejudiced against others (a very valid issue), but Jesus was not weak on sin. He never winked at sin, never excused it. He took a very literal view of scriptures (just read the sermon on the mount). He confronted sin for what it was and then challenged the individual to live a new life.
08:10 PM on 10/24/2011
The way many Christian sects and Christians from them focus as a priority on homosexuality is disfunctional and irrational. It is weird. This is about people loving each other. It is supported by science they are born this way and yet here you are obsessed and making hay about love. With all of the lists upon lists of sins in the world these people can go after, they focus on this at the top of the chart or the second or third. It is pure insanity. Why are these people obsessed with what they term "naughty parts" and human sexuality? No god is obsessed with sexualparts.It is absurd. Of all things. Over love and kindness you object because same sexual partstouch.

No wonder people are leaving the Christian churches. The trend is hardly surprising.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:28 PM on 10/24/2011
I think we can see plenty of 'accusers' right here.