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The Real Slippery Slope of Gun Laws

Posted: 11/16/11 08:06 AM ET

Richard Poplawski. Omar Thornton. Paul Michael Merhige. Jason Hamilton. Nidal Malik Hasan. George Sodini. Christopher Speight.

What do these men have in common?

# 1: They all committed mass murder (three or more innocents killed) with guns.

# 2: They were all concealed handgun permit holders.

And they're not alone. Since 2007, at least 19 mass shootings have been perpetrated by individuals who had obtained permits to carry concealed handguns in public.

Today, the House of Representatives is expected to vote on H.R. 822, the "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act," and it will almost certainly be passed by the National Rifle Association's allies in that chamber. Having spent the past 25 years gradually weakening laws to the point where even obviously deranged and violent individuals can obtain permits to carry concealed handguns, the "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act" is the final chute in a slippery slope that will see our nation's gun laws reduced to the lowest common denominator.

H.R. 822, which was drafted by the NRA's lawyers, would force law enforcement to recognize concealed handgun permits issued by other states, including states with extremely weak regulations in regards to screening and training requirements. It would allow individuals with concealed handgun permits to carry loaded handguns when they visit other states even when they do not meet the standards for obtaining a concealed handgun permit -- or even owning a gun -- in the state(s) they are visiting!

How radical and dangerous is this legislation? Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee actually cast votes on October 13 to ensure that the following categories of individuals would be able to carry loaded guns in public in other states under H.R. 822:

  • Misdemeanant sex offenders
  • Individuals on the FBI's Terrorist Watch List
  • Individuals with misdemeanor convictions for stalking or unlawful surveillance
  • Individuals with misdemeanor convictions for assaulting or impersonating a police officer
  • Individuals with misdemeanor convictions for selling drugs to minors
  • Individuals who have been subjects of domestic abuse protection orders in the past 10 years

Consider, too, that several states require no training whatsoever on the part of residents to obtain a concealed handgun permit. Even those that do require no more than a single day-class of training, and that's typically good for life (no repeat training required when you renew a permit). Virginia's requirement, for example, has been reduced to a one-hour online class. You watch a video and then take a multiple choice test (as many times as you need to get it right). Some of the survivors of the Virginia Tech tragedy who have never even held a handgun in real life were able to pass this "course."

The net result of the "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act" is to make the weakest state laws in the nation the Law of the Land. Denied a concealed handgun permit in your home state because of your criminal and mental health background? No problem. Thanks to the NRA, you'll now simply be able to mail-order a permit from Utah or Florida (whose screening requirements are an absolute joke) and you're ready to carry -- not just in your home state that determined you were a threat to public safety, but in every other state as well save Illinois (Illinois is the one state exempt from the bill because it has enacted no carry law whatsoever for private citizens).* Worried about not having undergone the licensing and registration process to own (much less carry) a handgun in a given state? No problem. The NRA's bill completely overrides those democratically-enacted laws as well.

We've already had a preview of how H.R. 822 will work in practice. In September of last year, Marqus Hill, a resident of Philadelphia, executed an 18-year-old who allegedly broke into his car, shooting him 13 times on the street. The city of Philadelphia had previously revoked a concealed handgun permit that Hill held in the state of Pennsylvania based on his criminal history. Because of a reciprocity agreement that Pennsylvania signed with Florida, Hill was able to get a permit in the mail from The Sunshine State with no problem.

If the NRA has its way, we'll soon be in the era of Forced Reciprocity, where law enforcement officers nationwide are powerless to disarm individuals like Marquis Hill before they pull the trigger -- even when officers know these trouble makers are packing heat in public spaces.

There's been a lot of attention cast lately on the tin-foil hat statements of NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre. The NRA boss told CPAC attendees in the District of Columbia "As soon as you leave this hall, your life is in jeopardy" in February and then followed that up last month with a fairy tale about "a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country."

In truth, though, the NRA's greatest lie is its talking point that gun violence prevention laws in America are a "slippery slope" that will eventually lead to total confiscation of privately held firearms. What an absurdity that is today -- 43 years after the signing of the 1968 Gun Control Act -- as demented individuals like Jared Loughner and Nidal Malik Hasan continue to legally buy guns and carry them in our communities.

The reality is that the slippery slope has been running in the opposite direction the entire time -- toward a future where even the most violent and deranged individuals can legally buy guns, legally carry them on the street, and legally bring them into churches, schools, daycare centers, public transportation, government buildings and the rest of our most sensitive public spaces.

If that vision disturbs and sickens us -- which it should any civilized society -- then turning back the "National Right-to-Carry Act" is a moral imperative and logical first-step.


* Current law allows people denied in their own state to procure one in another state if they meet the eligibility requirement in the other state. Florida and Utah give permits to out of state residents all the time. That would not change under 822. What would change is that states that currently do not have reciprocity with Florida would have to accept that Florida permit even if the holder was not a Florida resident. So for example, if I am a Pennsylvania resident and I am denied a permit in Pennsylvania but get my permit from Florida, I can now carry in any state that has reciprocity with Florida. What HR 822 changes is that now the Federal government would force every other state (except possibly my state of residence) to allow me to carry based on my Florida license.

 

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Richard Poplawski. Omar Thornton. Paul Michael Merhige. Jason Hamilton. Nidal Malik Hasan. George Sodini. Christopher Speight. What do these men have in common? # 1: They all committed mass m...
Richard Poplawski. Omar Thornton. Paul Michael Merhige. Jason Hamilton. Nidal Malik Hasan. George Sodini. Christopher Speight. What do these men have in common? # 1: They all committed mass m...
 
 
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06:12 PM on 01/04/2012
If you don't like our rights here in the U.S.A. then please feel free to move to a place where you can be happy not having them. If, however, you love this country and the rights that so many have died for you to have, then please feel FREE to enjoy them. I love this land, and I have guns to defend my family, my home and my country. You people who really believe that this would be a better place without guns are simply not conected with the true spirit of this nation, and you have the blessing of real Americans to find a land you can love. Good luck.
07:49 PM on 12/07/2011
What Josh Horwitz is mad about is the fact that he is wrong-concealed carry has REDUCED crime everywhere it has passed
Even the anti-gun St. Petersburg Times admitted that crime in Florida has DROPPED by 33% since 1999
Gun ban fanatics focus on a few irrelevant cases to bolster thir phoney arguments
05:58 PM on 12/07/2011
Utah and Florida permits are an absolute joke??? So, this article says that an F.B .I. Background Check is also an absolute joke?? I don't think so....this article is THE joke.
This is NOT a news article, but it is an Opinion Piece. P>O>S>
Should be labeled as such.

Chicago has great Ban-firearms-for-citizen rules.......Google their crime.
The main reason Texan Democrats hate Utah CCWPermits, is the money lost to the State.
All boils down to money grubbing liberals.
02:05 PM on 11/20/2011
One thing we can say is that the NRA is a great source of disinformation. People who are members actually know less about guns than people who are not. It's akin to Limbaugh or Fox News in that it actually makes you more ignorant. For example in the comments in this very post many have implied that knives are just as deadly as guns and therefore gun control has no effect. I'm linking a video of slow motion bullets (1 million fps) where it becomes obvious that bullets carry a tremendous amount of energy. In fact no intelligent person can watch this video and claim that getting shot is equivalent to getting stabbed. It shows bullets going though metal, glass, paper, ballistic gel, etc. In fact when they film the ballistic gel, it's obvious that bullets don't just make a hole they produce a shock wave that produces way more damage than a knife would. Also a knife would never penetrate metal this thick. It's really cool check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg

Of course the NRA members will claim Obama faked this along with his birth certificate and the moon landing. But hey, this will make the case for any sane person.
10:23 AM on 11/21/2011
You don’t get it …Take England for example …the UK has tried their best to completely remove all Firearms from their Society – and failed. Now they not only still have Shootings but also an unbelievable rise in Knife attacks = http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036154/A-knife-attack-4-minutes-130-000-year--ministers-insist-crime-rates-falling.html Is the NRA making this up ?
It’s so bad that they’ve created a Website to track Knife Crimes by the region - http://www.knifecrimes.org/crime-figures.html
Maybe the UK should reevaluate their Handgun Laws and start issuing Concealed Carry Permits ..after all ,no one would bring a knife to a gunfight right ?
10:50 AM on 11/21/2011
Another sad example ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/04/3
04:31 PM on 11/21/2011
Thank you for proving my point for me. In the US the murder rate is 5.4 per 100,000 in the UK it's 1.1 per 100,000. http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon/ In other words you are almost 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US! Most Americans who are not NRA members, are aware that the UK is safer than the US. NRA members are obviously not aware of this and make arguments like the one you just made. In short the NRA is like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, it's disinformation.
02:45 PM on 11/21/2011
"One thing we can say is that the NRA is a great source of disinforma­tion." You can say it all day long, now provide the specific reference to what you cite as NRA disinformation.
04:34 PM on 11/21/2011
If you bother reading the comments to this article you will see that many have implied or stated that knives are as deadly as guns, which is why I posted a link to the video. You can also read the comment by NYS Voter above you for another example of NRA misinformation.
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Grumpy Man
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01:22 AM on 11/19/2011
Those 1%er's at the Joyce Foundation aren't getting their money's worth out of Horwitz.

Nineteen heinous criminals - out of some 6,000,000 permitted persons. That equates to a fraction so small as to be statistically insignificant. They are aberrations. They are anomalies. They are fuel for people who rely on emotion, not logic as they attempt to guide decisions made by others.

The state(s) Horwitz fear the most, those with the most relaxed standards for obtaining a concealed carry permit, have statistically shown the same general trends toward reductions in murder rates and violent crime rates as those states with the most stringent application processes.

Despite Horwitz's disingenuous attempt to evoke an emotional response with his "nineteen mass murderers" the FACTS are that persons who hold concealed weapons permits are among the most law abiding in the nation. If there were evidence to the contrary I've no doubt he'd post it far and wide. He doesn't because it doesn't exist. Therein, he's guilty of trying to mislead his readers. Don't be duped. Therein, he has no journalistic integrity, just an undeserved paycheck from the 1%er's at the Joyce Foundation.
05:00 PM on 11/18/2011
A CCW permit is just a plastic card. It doesn't enable anyone to commit mass murder. A murderer with a CCW permit is no more dangerous then a murderer without one. Someone willing to commit a crime that gets them life in prison or the death penalty isn't going to care one bit about an additional charge on unlawfully carrying a firearm.

The national reciprocity act is just common sense. States already recognize each others driver's licences, commercial truck driver's permits, and college degrees, high school diplomas, and birth cirtificates. There is no reason it should be any different for CCW permits. You should not have to surrender your right to protect yourself when visiting a family member across state lines.

The new law doesn't cancel out any state laws. States can still set whatever laws they want in regard to getting a CCW permit, as well as where guns can be carried, and everyone will still have to follow them. It simply requires them to do what they should do, IE respect each other's CCW permits.
05:53 PM on 11/17/2011
Nineteen CCW persons murdered others with their handguns in the last 4 years? Out of how many millions of CCW holders? Guns don't kill people, people do. If not with a gun, then some other way. That statement is a bunch of crap to scare the public at large.
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04:19 PM on 11/17/2011
I am personally opposed to H.R. 822, but the continued fear-mongering of gun control advocates such as Mr. Horowitz who try and use the boogeyman of "Individuals on the FBI's Terrorist Watch List" being able to keep and bear arms as justification for their arguments is simply un-American.

It does not matter what your opinion is on this particular bill: anyone who cares about the rule of law and civil liberties should be aghast at the prospect of the use of a secret watch list to abridge the rights of U.S. citizens outside meaningful judicial oversight.
12:58 PM on 11/17/2011
The rhetoric and arguments here make the Canadian approach to personal licensing for firearms holders both reasonable and effective as it addresses both the needs of the sport shooting and gun control communities. Only the radicals in both camps cannot accept reason but then laws are the nittygritty of the social contract that makes a nation function. Compromise is necessary to make any contract viable. Total freedom in this case is chaos.

Mind you a universal carry law is in keeping with the wild west approach of America's past and does fit the popular myths.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
02:24 PM on 11/17/2011
"The rhetoric and arguments here make the Canadian approach to personal licensing for firearms holders both reasonable and effective as it addresses both the needs of the sport shooting and gun control communitie­s."

What is reasonable and effective about a system that burdens lawful citizens without ever solving a crime and thereby contributing to public safety?
06:38 AM on 11/18/2011
What burden? Since the 1970s there has been a national firearms training requirement in Canada. The result is a steady downward trend in firearms deaths since that time. The current Firearms Act also requires personal licensing that weeds out criminals and the mentally ill from obtaining a license as well as a national standard for firearms storage both of which contribute to firearms safety.

The current Conservative government is passing legislation by Christmas 2011 that will end the registration of long guns and will also destroy the records.

Lists of guns are only good for confiscation and have no proven value for safety or law enforcement.

That is why this billion dollar plus boondoggle is being ended after 17 years of no results!
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03:17 PM on 11/17/2011
when you find a way to require felons and other prohibited persons to obtain licenses to possess and force them to register their firearms, I will talk
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03:47 AM on 11/17/2011
" Since 2007, at least 19 mass shootings have been perpetrated by individuals who had obtained permits to carry concealed handguns in public."

In other words, a statistically irrelevant percentage of concealed carry holders have perpetrated mass shootings.
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01:34 PM on 11/17/2011
No you don't get it. 19 times 822 is 15,618, which means there will be 15,618 mass shooters if this bill passes. And this is not just supposition.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
02:25 PM on 11/17/2011
Are you standing in for GUnBanner II?
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Old Jarhead
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02:39 PM on 11/17/2011
Aren't we glad they didn't number this bill as 8220? That make 156,180!! 8-)))
02:33 AM on 11/17/2011
".....toward a future where even the most violent and deranged individuals can legally buy guns, legally carry them on the street, and legally bring them into churches, schools, daycare centers, public transportation, government buildings and the rest of our most sensitive public spaces."

Really? Have you ever traveled to a country where guns are banned? South Africa? Northern Mexico? Eastern Europe? Oh yeah.......no violence there! Mr. Horwitz, you should move to Illinois and leave the rest of us alone!
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05:44 AM on 11/17/2011
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11:16 AM on 11/17/2011
only thing is--thanks to the 7th Circuit, it will not be long before legal carry comes to Illinois (and knowing how stubborn Chicago is--it will be Constitutional carry because the court will lose patience)
02:36 PM on 11/18/2011
Contempt of court charges against the Mayor and city council of Chicago should do the trick.
12:34 AM on 11/17/2011
Should we not want to have a way (gun) to protect our rights (life) when these crazed citizens try to put their foot on our throats?
10:55 PM on 11/16/2011
About 50,000 people each year die in automobile collisions (1/2 are DUI related) Driver's Licenses are issue by way of the lowest common denominator (i.e. minimum requirement to operate an automobile safely). Most people with a driver's license are barely competent to safely open a can without injuring themselves. And many are down right aggressive jerks that think their cars are equalizing weapons of justice.
There are millions of firearms in the US and hundreds of thousands of Concealed Weapon Permits Holders by citizens that want to operate within the law (Law Breakers could care less about laws) that simply want to defend themselves (because it not possible to carry your own personal cop).
If we were going to Armageddon in the Streets from gun slingers it would have happen decades ago.
Ensuring that States don't infringe on our Federal Constitutional Rights is always of the upmost importance.

We have a Nation of the People, By The People and For the People.
Not, a Nation of Tell Us How to Live Please Mr Government.
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01:03 AM on 11/17/2011
Nice post. I haven't seen factual numbers but I have seen estimates of concealed carry holders around 5 million.
03:02 PM on 11/18/2011
I'd call that low by at least half. There are almost 1 million just in Florida now and nearly a half million more in Washington. That's only two states out of 49 (granted some have none and others are too new to have many). Some states (like Florida) track the exact number online. Remember that permitting has been increasing wildly in the last few years.
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05:46 AM on 11/17/2011
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ElmCreekSmith
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10:40 PM on 11/16/2011
First, I believe you are trivializing the term "mass murder" by your extremely limited definition.

In addition, the 93 deaths you attribute to concealed carry licensees (I refuse to count the murderers in the total) over four and a half years pales in comparison to the approximate 37,581 firearm-related homicides for 2007-2010, representing less than a quarter of one percent of the total. Based on the numbers, concealed carry licensees don't seem to be the "problem" you make them out to be.

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Grumpy Man
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03:24 PM on 11/17/2011
Those VPC folks are really bad at math but they work hard to evoke emotional responses with their misleading rearrangement of "fact."

Delving further into their facts almost always reveals that their facts are factually, not facts.
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10:36 PM on 11/16/2011
"when seconds count, the police are only minutes away"