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Why Would Dems Take Money from an Organization That Wants to Behead Them?

Posted: 04/23/2012 7:21 am

"What do Abraham Lincoln, John. F. Kennedy, and Barack Obama have in common?"
"Nothing. Yet."
- Joke told by NRA member that journalist Alexander Zaitchik overheard on way to organization's 2012 annual convention

It's long past time to ask one simple question: How can any member of the Democratic Party take money from the National Rifle Association (NRA) or accept their endorsement in good conscience? It's bad enough that the NRA has been completely in bed with the Republican Party for decades (the NRA leadership is an unholy alliance of movement conservative political operatives like Grover Norquist, David Keene and Joe Allbaugh and insurrectionist folk heroes like Ted Nugent and Chuck Norris). They might endorse a few Democrats from time to time, but an overwhelming percentage of their campaign contributions go to the GOP (a whopping 89% in the current election cycle). What should be even more revolting to Democrats is that Ted Nugent is now leveraging his position as an NRA board member/spokesperson to incite violence against them and their president.

NRA Board Member Ted Nugent at 2012 NRA ConventionSaturday, April 14, 2012 wasn't the first time that Nugent had threatened the use of political violence against the Obama administration and Democrats. But when Nugent conducted a live interview with NRANews host Cam Edwards at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting, he made national headlines by declaring, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

That wasn't all he said, of course. In a long, rambling diatribe conducted right in front of NRA members milling about the convention center, Nugent remarked:

If you don't know that our government is wiping its ass with the Constitution, you're living under a rock someplace ... We got four Supreme Court Justices who don't believe in the Constitution ... Our president and attorney general, our vice president, Hillary Clinton, they're criminals. They're criminals ... Remember we're Americans because we defied the king, we didn't negotiate and compromise with the king, we defied the emperors. We are patriots. We are Braveheart. We need to ride into that battlefield and chop [Democrats'] heads off in November. Any questions?

In the wake of Nugent's comments, the Secret Service investigated him and the military canceled his upcoming performance at Fort Knox. It didn't faze Nugent. Just three days later, he went on a similar tear in an interview with conservative radio host Dana Loesch. "The Nazis and the Klan hate me," he told Loesch. "There are some power-abusing, corrupt monsters in our federal government that despise me because I have the audacity to speak the truth, to identify the violations of our government ... And I spoke at the NRA and I will stand by my speech." He also referred to Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz as "a brain-dead, soulless, heartless idiot" and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi as "a sub-human scoundrel." "They're monsters, said Nugent. "They hate America."

And it wasn't like Nugent was the only speaker at the NRA Convention engaging in such scathing attacks against Democrats. Every single one of the 13 featured speakers at the NRA's "Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum" was a male Republican, and they all lit into the president and his party. Smelling blood in the water, movement conservatives then giddily joined in the attack. Ann Coulter even told Bill O'Riley that "negroes" need more guns in order to arm themselves against the "Democratic KKK."

But a funny thing happened. Just two days after the NRA convention concluded, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) announced that the organization was disbanding its Public Safety and Elections task force. This task force, which had been co-chaired for years by the NRA, was responsible for adopting the NRA's "Stand Your Ground "legislation as a model law for the states. It did the same thing with another NRA bill that would force colleges and universities to allow the carrying of loaded guns into dormitories and classrooms.

These pro-gun policies have became so politically toxic -- particularly after the killing of Trayvon Martin by concealed handgun permit holder George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida -- that 12 corporations have resigned from ALEC in the past few months. As the New York Times put it, "Many [corporations] joined [ALEC] for narrower reasons, like fighting taxes on soda or snacks, and clearly have little interested in voter ID requirements or the NRA's vision of a society where anyone can fire a concealed weapon at the slightest hint of a threat ... Big business is beginning to realize that Stand Your Ground laws are indefensible."

While ALEC was divorcing the NRA via press release, Republican Governor Jan Brewer was vetoing an NRA bill that would have allowed Arizona residents to carry loaded guns into libraries, city halls and other public buildings in the state (Brewer doesn't care too much for the NRA effort to push guns onto college campuses, either).

Too radical for ALEC and Jan Brewer?! Someone please tell me why a single Democrat would want to take the blood money the NRA has to offer?

In the post-Citizens United world, it's not even like NRA money is particularly important. And this mythological notion that if you're on the "wrong" side of the gun issue you will suddenly cease to exist as a viable political candidate? It's wrong. Studies have actually examined the data on these claims and found that Republican and Democratic incumbents get no help from an NRA endorsement, and Republican challengers receive only a modest boost. Paul Waldman's detailed analysis of the last four federal elections concluded that, "The NRA has virtually no impact on congressional elections." As Waldman notes, "Every election follows a pattern ... If Republicans win, as they did in 1994 and 2000, the [NRA] says: See, we told you everything depends on us and our issue. If Democrats win, as they did in 2008 and 2006, the NRA is quiet."

U.S. Rep. Jason Altmire at 2011 NRA ConventionAnd Steve Kornacki of Salon was exactly right when he noted in a recent column, "He could get reelected and sit on his hands [on the gun issue] for four more years and Obama will still be a gun confiscator to the 2nd Amendment crowd ... If the NRA is going to pretend that you're aggressively pursuing gun control anyway, then why not actually do it? ... For all their efforts, [Democrats have] failed to win over gun owners for the last decade, and there's no reason to think they're about to. If Obama and the national party were to embrace gun control anew, would it really affect pro-gun Democrats like [Montana Senator John] Tester? They'd be swimming against the same tide they're already swimming against."

Last year, Democratic Congresswoman Gabby Giffords narrowly survived an assassination attempt by a severely mentally ill young man that bought wholly into far-right-wing rhetoric ("You don't have to accept the federalist laws"). How many exceptionally well-armed and mentally unbalanced individuals do you think heard Nugent's rant?

So let me ask this question of Congressmen like Michigan's John Dingell, California's Joe Baca, Texas' Henry Cuellar, Pennsylvania's Jason Altmire and Mark Critz, New York's Kathleen Hochul and Bill Owens, and all the other federal and state legislators taking NRA cash...

How do you sleep at night knowing you're doing business with a money-making hate machine targeting your own?

 

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09:20 AM on 04/26/2012
And they just keep delving deeper. The CSGV has stated that an abused spouse has a duty to retreat in their own home while being beaten instead of defending themselves.

http://daysofourtrailers.blogspot.com/2012/04/csgv-defends-spousal-abuse.html

This is the mentality of this organization.
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David Carson
05:59 PM on 05/02/2012
I have a suspicion that is why the CSGV is even more irrelevant than the Bradybots
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HisXLNC
No.
12:02 AM on 04/26/2012
"How do you sleep at night knowing you're doing business with a money-making hate machine targeting your own?"

I'm willing to bet they sleep well knowing that those of us who are pro-2A have their backs.
07:23 PM on 04/25/2012
Horwitz on Open Carry in Oklahoma. Go express your view in the comments and don't forget about the side bar to express your like or dislike:

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-people-be-allowed-to-carry-guns-openly

He's getting lots of support from the majority of citizens who support them.
08:35 PM on 04/30/2012
Wow those arguments against are completely irrelevant to the issue of open carry.
10:00 PM on 04/24/2012
This is a bit like reading a high school government paper written by a someone who just discovered the Washington Post.

Democrats accept endorsements from the NRA because it's basically accepting votes, depriving the Republican party of a key platform, and shifting the tide of millions of member votes the NRA has influence over. I know it's tough from the perspective of chicken little to understand how a Democrat could support gun rights, but not everyone is as completely and entirely irrational as the CSGV.
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David Carson
12:53 PM on 04/25/2012
Josh is rather notorious for being out of touch in his screeds
08:39 PM on 04/24/2012
This is why:
Public Policy Polling's April 15-17 robo poll of Florida voters found 42 percent support the controversial "stand your ground law" in the spotlight since the shooting of Trayvon Martin and 32 percent oppose it. "

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/poll-more-floridians-suppport-stand-your-ground-law-19-root-rays-15-marlins
11:23 AM on 04/24/2012
The right to keep and bear arms is a civil right. Anybody who seeks to deny others their civil rights is my enemy. 'Nuff said.
And the brain surgeon that endlessly posts 'The NRA is responsible for 30,000 deaths a year' gets my award for most intellectual poster on the subject.
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schotts
Strength and Honor
04:00 PM on 04/24/2012
I have no idea who you are talking about that mutters 30,000 deaths a year. Who could that be?

:-)
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David Carson
10:33 PM on 04/24/2012
isn't that the spinning top on ergot laced crack?
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
07:55 AM on 04/25/2012
No, it is not a civil right. It is a human right.
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William Salter
03:07 PM on 04/29/2012
It's a collective right according to the Second Amendment.
11:12 AM on 04/24/2012
As a violence policy advocate, the steps needed to end gun violence are clear.
The First step is to take advantage of high profile incidents.
The Second step is to marginalize legal gun use and historic precedent.
The Third step is to make some guns seem more dangerous than others, even if they are not.
The Fourth step is to register every sale.
The Fifth step is a robust “Shall Issue” permitting process.
The Final step is to encourage and incentivize the forfeiture of arms.
10:03 PM on 04/23/2012
How do you know Josh is lying? You read anything he writes.
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David Carson
11:41 PM on 04/23/2012
2 ways: his lips are moving or he posts one of his screeds
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
09:52 PM on 04/23/2012
It's better than taking money from an organization that wants to enslave you, such as the Joyce Foundation.
05:28 PM on 04/23/2012
“It's long past time to ask one simple question: How can any member of the Democratic Party take money from the National Rifle Association (NRA) or accept their endorsement in good conscience?”

The NRA has ALWAYS supported politicians that support our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. The National Democratic Committee has vehemently supported citizen disarmament which is the reason for the NRA’s skewed support for Republicans in the past. This is now changing. A Gallup Poll of October 26, 2011 found that 60% of those surveyed supported enforcing current gun laws more strictly and NOT pass any new laws while only 35% responded to enforce current gun laws more strictly and pass new gun control laws.
A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll showed found that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/13/us-usa-guns-poll-idUSBRE83C0G420120413
Democrats understand this, and an increasing number of them are supporting firearms owners’ rights.
10:46 PM on 04/23/2012
In October most Americans didn't know that ALEC and the NRA had cranked up the money machine to buy off legislators to pass the deadly SYG laws. The NRA is more dangerous than any terrorist group.
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David Carson
11:42 PM on 04/23/2012
Sillytop--you are NOT a credible source
07:19 AM on 04/24/2012
Even the ones from the 1800's?
04:39 PM on 04/23/2012
maybe it is because there are some DEMS that believe in the 2ND A.

and why would the SS talk to Ted Nuggent and not talk to Eminim about what he said about President Bush.i wonder if there is a double standard here
04:29 PM on 04/23/2012
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN STASTICS FOR MOST OF MY 86 YEARS ON THIS EARTH.MANY TIMES BEFORE A BOARD MEETING I WOULD ASK THE BOSS HOW HE WANTED HIS NUMBERS--ROUND OR SQUARE-AND I WOULD MAKE THE NUMBERS SAY WHAT HE WANTED,I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH INTERNET NUMBERS AS A BASIS FOR STATISTICS-NOR POLLS-PARTICULARLY IN VIEW OF NUMBERS BEING SUPPLIED THE PRESIDENT THESE DAYS-I SUBMIT HE IS GETTING NUMBERS HE THINKS HE CAN FEED THE MASSES AND THEY WILL BELIEVE THEM--THE PRESS DISTRIBUTES THE SAME CRAP--IF TRUTH WAS STILL AVAILABLE,AND PRINCIPLES WERE PART OF POLITICAL GOALS OUR COUNTRY WOULD NOT BE IN DANGER,BUT ALAS AND ALACK-THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT THE SAME DEMOCRATS THAT ELECTED FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT.--THATS WHY I AM VOTING REPUBLICAN
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07:11 PM on 04/23/2012
Thanks for the input. My ears hurt.
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William Salter
03:10 PM on 04/29/2012
FDR would be aghast. Current Republicans are more radical than the ones that opposed every one of FDR's initiatives.
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04:02 PM on 04/23/2012
The NRA with their partner ALEC have invested in huge public relations' campaigns over many years: Fear-mongering and scare tactics about "confiscation" "gun-bans" and other fantasies that feed the insecurities of certain personality types.

The NRA does not have the following it claims. The NRA does not have the support it claims. The NRA does not have the membership it claims. The NRA is an embarrassment to most Americans, including especially gun owners.

The NRA does not have the political clout it claims. The NRA campaigned against two nominations for the Supreme Court: Sotomayor and Kagan. Justices Sotomayor and Kagan won in Congress.
The NRA lost soundly, profoundly.

Ted Nugent is on the NRA board of directors. The NRA doesn't like Justices Sotomayor and Kagan, but is keen on Nugent. The NRA is an embarrassment to Americans, especially gun owners.
More politicians will get it.
04:49 PM on 04/23/2012
"The NRA does not have the membership it claims." So you should be able to provide evidence for this.

Hopefully it will be better than your 'evidence' of your claim that the NRA bought off the FBI to skew crime numbers.

Any day.
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Pete Gerasia
If you can't think logically, don't talk to me.
11:08 PM on 04/23/2012
Looks like she's ignoring you. Wonder why that is....
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SageFlatLib
Republicans are killing my liver
05:12 PM on 04/23/2012
The NRA is an embarrassment to Americans, especially gun owners.

Spot on.
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07:28 PM on 04/23/2012
Thank you, my friend.
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
09:33 AM on 04/25/2012
I'm an American and gun owner, and they have never embarrassed me....nor any other American gun owner I know, member or not.

Any other American gun owners fell the same?
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03:45 PM on 04/23/2012
Money corrupts absolutely.
05:34 PM on 04/24/2012
And Obama has how much in his campaign coffers?
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
09:37 AM on 04/25/2012
Finally a workable democratic proposal to fix the deficit!!!!

So what you are saying is that poverty is good, or that the poor are the only non-corrupt people out there? Well that will certainly help our deficit since it would be wrong of the government to be "corrupting the poor" by giving money to support the poor.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
02:15 PM on 04/23/2012
They are playing with fire.
This is a trap being set to justify the NRA's ability to launder money and write laws.
Democrats should send the checks back, and ask the DNC to match the funds returned.
10:57 PM on 04/23/2012
Launder money? If you have any evidence of such, I suggest you bring it to the attention of the nearest FBI field office.
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molonlabe
Before you ban it, at least learn what it is.
12:37 PM on 04/25/2012
Shiny side out. You'll get better reception that way.